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From: "Warren W. Gay VE3WWG" <ve3wwg@cogeco.ca>
Subject: Re: Realtime/embedded project to help with employment.
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 12:36:31 -0400
Date: 2003-08-13T12:36:31-04:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4Ot_a.4388$kp4.707032@news20.bellglobal.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <IPr_a.8008$u%2.1537@nwrdny02.gnilink.net>

Stephane Richard wrote:
...
> Seems to be enough time has been spent, in ada and in most other languages,
> making the computer do what we dotn want to....(calculations, data
> processing, repetitive tasks of all kinds whether in database related or non
> related fields).... I think it's time to really start "creating new fields"
> of applications.  New generations of computing technologies....once that
> haven't been touched before, or not as much as they should have.  Could be
> any type of project, from virtual reality (I'm not saying to make our own 3D
> Studio Max here, I'm saying making a full real time virtual reality OS, one
> in which you can do things like walk through your files for example...really
> innovative stuff like that is what I'm suggesting.  this is but an example
> of so many things that could be done, and I know Ada is just the language to
> do it in :-)......sure this one is a big project, but it can definitaly be
> cut done to reaonable sized modules that can be humanly maintainted :-).

I don't believe we have to "create new fields" per say, because a
number of the existing (probably more mundane ones) have yet
to be adequately "solved".

Looking at some non-exhaustive needs/wants together, we have :

   1. GUI
   2. Database
   3. Net enabled

Individually, I think we can say these have been conquered. But
why then is software development so:

   - slow to develop ?
   - costly to create ?
   - unreliable in operation ?
   - hackable (unsafe) on the net ?

I firmly believe that this integrated side
of the problem remains relatively
unsolved (there have been products/attempts
to addressing these, but none seem to have
emerged a "generally accepted solution").

While you may not be able to solve this problem
for everyone, but it should be possible to look
at the SOHO situation (for example) and produce
a "programming environment" that supports the above,
in an integrated but rapid way, with improved safety
and protection from hacks (from the net enabled
apps).

Other "markets" could be similarly addressed.

In general, it is not yet easy enough to create new software
(at least beyond a simple teletype application).

As a point of comparison, VB was one "attempt" at
addressing this need, but falls far short on
a number of levels. Some of which includes:

   - database : poor/non-existant support of NULL values
   - database/GUI connection : widgets (like date) don't
     support NULL values,
   - database operations require clumsy/complex object
     interactions (COM/DCOM) objects etc.
   - VB code itself is ghastly at the safety/reliability level
     due to its check at runtime approach (vs Ada95)

This is all tip of the iceberg, but I believe there is ample
opportunity just making life easier for programmers alone,
not to mention for the "pseudo programmer SOHO person".

Just my $0.02 added. ;-)
-- 
Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
http://home.cogeco.ca/~ve3wwg




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2003-08-02 10:06 Realtime/embedded project to help with employment Luke A. Guest
2003-08-06  0:35 ` Luke A. Guest
2003-08-06 12:00   ` Phil Thornley
2003-08-06 12:15   ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-07 18:38     ` Luke A. Guest
2003-08-08 11:51       ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-08 21:02         ` rleif
2003-08-09 14:00           ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-09 15:53           ` Michael Erdmann
2003-08-10  5:01             ` rleif
2003-08-10  7:10               ` Hyman Rosen
2003-08-10 16:35                 ` rleif
2003-08-10 17:53                   ` Hyman Rosen
2003-08-12 16:14                     ` Colin Paul Gloster
2003-08-12 18:12                       ` Ed Falis
2003-08-10 22:45                   ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-08-12 14:55                   ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-13 12:59                     ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-13 13:46                       ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-13 14:50                       ` Hyman Rosen
2003-08-13 17:02                         ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-08-12 14:59                   ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-12 15:05                     ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-08-12 15:16                       ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-12 16:08                         ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-08-12 17:35                           ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-13  7:33                             ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-08-13  7:45                               ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-13 10:13                                 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-08-13 11:00                                   ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-13 11:48                                     ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-08-13 12:12                                       ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-13 11:32                                   ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-12 16:17                   ` Colin Paul Gloster
2003-08-13  3:58                     ` Robert C. Leif
2003-08-19 13:54                       ` Colin Paul Gloster
2003-08-10 17:04                 ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-11 14:20                   ` Hyman Rosen
2003-08-12 12:34                     ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-12 13:48                       ` Hyman Rosen
2003-08-13  3:58                         ` Robert C. Leif
2003-08-13  7:14                           ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-13 13:24                             ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-13 13:54                               ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-15  0:19                             ` Robert C. Leif
2003-08-15  8:35                               ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-15 14:26                                 ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-08-15 14:37                                   ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-15 16:14                                     ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-08-16 10:02                                       ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-16 18:07                                         ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-08-18  6:38                                           ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-18 13:34                                             ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-08-18 15:43                                               ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-18 18:36                                                 ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-08-18 20:30                                                   ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-18 21:32                                                     ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-08-18 19:04                                               ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-18 19:28                                                 ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-08-19  6:29                                                   ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-19 20:48                                                     ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-08-16 13:57                                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-08-16 18:18                                         ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-08-16 18:33                                           ` Stephane Richard
2003-08-17 12:52                                             ` Stephane Richard
2003-08-17 13:20                                               ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-08-18  6:41                                               ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-17 23:03                                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-08-18  1:51                                             ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-08-13 11:14                           ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-08-13 12:49                             ` Frank J. Lhota
2003-08-13 23:34                           ` Luke A. Guest
2003-08-13 12:34                         ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-13 13:10                           ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-13 13:30                             ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-13 13:47                               ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-14 12:32                                 ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-14 13:56                                   ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-15 12:22                                     ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-17  7:47                                       ` Hyman Rosen
2003-08-13 13:55                           ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-08-14 12:40                             ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-18 11:10                               ` Dale Stanbrough
2003-08-13 14:40                           ` Hyman Rosen
2003-08-13 16:49                             ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-08-14 13:01                               ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-14 16:46                                 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-08-15  4:22                                   ` Robert C. Leif
2003-08-15  9:48                                     ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-08-15 21:59                                       ` Robert C. Leif
2003-08-16  1:36                                         ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-08-17 11:30                                           ` Simon Wright
2003-08-17 12:08                                             ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-08-17 12:30                                               ` Jeffrey Creem
2003-08-16  1:58                                         ` George Shapovalov
2003-08-16 10:08                                         ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-16 11:50                                         ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-16 12:04                                           ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-16 18:25                                             ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-08-18  6:46                                               ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-18 13:48                                                 ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-08-16 13:31                                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-08-17 14:27                                             ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-17 23:40                                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-08-18  2:00                                                 ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-08-18 12:04                                                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-08-17  8:26                                     ` Hyman Rosen
2003-08-17 19:04                                       ` Robert C. Leif
2003-08-15 12:40                                   ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-16 22:32                                     ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-08-17 12:22                                       ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-17 23:34                                         ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-08-14 12:52                             ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-14 14:03                               ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-12 14:52                       ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-13 12:41                         ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-13 13:32                           ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-12 22:15                       ` Luke A. Guest
2003-08-13  1:04                         ` Hyman Rosen
2003-08-13  2:08                           ` Wesley Groleau
2003-08-13 12:54                             ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-13 13:36                               ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-13 16:52                               ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-08-13  7:11                           ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-13 22:26                             ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-08-14  2:19                               ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-08-14  6:54                                 ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-14 15:03                                 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-08-15  0:46                                   ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-08-15  8:22                                   ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-15 16:21                                     ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-08-16 10:04                                       ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-14  8:27                           ` Luke A. Guest
2003-08-14  9:58                             ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-14 13:22                               ` Hyman Rosen
2003-08-14 14:11                                 ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-14 17:46                               ` Luke A. Guest
2003-08-15  8:29                                 ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-15 18:56                                   ` Luke A. Guest
2003-08-16 10:06                                     ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-13  7:08                         ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-13 12:49                         ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-13 16:54                           ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-08-13 17:20                             ` Hyman Rosen
2003-08-13 22:06                               ` Dale Stanbrough
2003-08-13 23:40                               ` Luke A. Guest
2003-08-14  6:49                               ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-14 13:11                                 ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-14 14:06                                   ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-14 20:35                                     ` Pascal Obry
2003-08-15 12:51                                     ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-15 13:40                                       ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-16 10:33                                         ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-14 16:51                                   ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-08-15 12:58                                     ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-16 22:46                                       ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-08-14  3:19                             ` Robert C. Leif
2003-08-14 12:00                               ` Dmytry Lavrov
2003-08-14 13:29                               ` Hyman Rosen
2003-08-14 13:08                             ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-14 16:58                               ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-08-14 17:47                                 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-08-14 19:15                                   ` Stephane Richard
2003-08-15  8:26                                   ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-15 13:04                                 ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-15 13:57                                   ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-16 22:49                                   ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-08-17 14:07                                     ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-17 23:45                                       ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-08-15 16:13                                 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-08-16  2:27                                   ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-08-16 10:02                                     ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-16 10:01                                   ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-16 11:03                                   ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-16 11:39                                     ` Stephane Richard
2003-08-13 12:12                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-08-13 13:15                         ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-13 13:52                           ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-14 13:15                             ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-14 14:11                               ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-15 13:11                                 ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-15 14:04                                   ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-16 11:23                                     ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-13 18:14                           ` Georg B.
2003-08-14 13:25                             ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-15  9:35                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-08-15 13:17                                 ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-15 14:50                                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-08-14 17:05                             ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-08-15  8:44                               ` ADCLing (was: Re: Realtime/embedded project to help with employment.) Georg Bauhaus
2003-08-15  8:48                                 ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-15 13:19                               ` Realtime/embedded project to help with employment Marin David Condic
2003-08-15 14:12                                 ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-16 11:43                                   ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-16 11:59                                     ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-16 14:55                                     ` Ludovic Brenta
2003-08-16 23:34                                       ` Software Patent Concerns => New Black Markets? Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-08-17 19:04                                         ` Robert C. Leif
2003-08-17 23:03                                           ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-08-18  7:20                                             ` Ludovic Brenta
2003-08-18 14:25                                               ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-08-18 14:38                                               ` chris
2003-08-19 10:36                                                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-08-19 11:32                                                 ` Wojtek Narczynski
2003-08-18 18:31                                               ` Robert C. Leif
2003-08-18 19:04                                                 ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-08-18 19:36                                                 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-08-19  6:58                                                   ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-19 15:06                                                     ` Robert C. Leif
2003-08-19 17:00                                                       ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-08-20 10:55                                                       ` Wojtek Narczynski
2003-08-20 12:49                                                         ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2003-08-20 19:16                                                         ` Dmytry Lavrov
2003-08-21  8:12                                                           ` Wojtek Narczynski
2003-08-21 17:47                                                             ` Dmytry Lavrov
2003-08-21 17:53                                                               ` Dmytry Lavrov
2003-08-19 13:45                                                   ` Wojtek Narczynski
2003-08-19 14:43                                                     ` Hyman Rosen
2003-08-19 17:48                                                       ` Wojtek Narczynski
2003-08-19 20:47                                                     ` Robert C. Leif
2003-08-20  4:16                                                       ` Hyman Rosen
2003-08-20 22:45                                                         ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-08-21  4:08                                                           ` Hyman Rosen
2003-08-19 10:28                                                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-08-19 12:01                                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-08-19 16:53                                                 ` Software Patent Concerns => (FSF is Robin Hood?) Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-08-19 17:16                                                 ` Software Patent Concerns => New Black Markets? Ed Falis
2003-08-20 22:27                                                   ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-08-21 23:02                                                     ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-08-19 17:54                                             ` Patent Guy
2003-08-20  1:34                                               ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-08-20  3:35                                                 ` Wes Groleau
2003-08-20  6:08                                                 ` Patent Guy
2003-08-20 16:59                                                   ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-08-20 21:37                                                     ` Patent Guy
2003-08-20 22:10                                                 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-08-21 20:22                                                   ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-08-22  9:36                                                     ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-08-22 17:19                                                       ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-08-20 22:32                                               ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-08-19 11:19                                           ` Wojtek Narczynski
2003-08-17 14:13                                       ` Realtime/embedded project to help with employment Marin David Condic
2003-08-15 14:53                                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-08-15 19:17                                   ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-08-16 10:08                                     ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-16 17:40                                       ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-08-18  6:35                                         ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-18 16:37                                           ` Frank J. Lhota
2003-08-18 20:32                                             ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-18 20:47                                               ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-08-19 16:02                                             ` John R. Strohm
2003-08-16 23:23                                 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-08-13 19:03                           ` Hyman Rosen
2003-08-10 17:26               ` Michael Erdmann
2003-08-10 11:17             ` Mário Amado Alves
2003-08-10 16:50               ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-10 17:20           ` Michael Erdmann
2003-08-13 14:21           ` Stephane Richard
2003-08-13 16:36             ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG [this message]
2003-08-08 23:39         ` Luke A. Guest
2003-08-09 13:40           ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-09 16:02             ` Luke A. Guest
2003-08-09 22:47               ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-10 10:38                 ` Luke A. Guest
2003-08-11 10:08                   ` Mark Lorenzen
2003-08-11 18:39                     ` Luke A. Guest
2003-08-11 21:04                       ` Mark Lorenzen
2003-08-11 22:59                         ` Luke A. Guest
2003-08-12 12:12                           ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-22 21:53                             ` Luke A. Guest
2003-08-23  2:55                               ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-08-23 12:54                               ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-12 14:55                       ` Colin Paul Gloster
2003-08-12 15:03                         ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-08-12 13:43                     ` Dmytry Lavrov
2003-08-09  3:52         ` Steve
2003-08-09 13:47           ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-22 21:28         ` Luke A. Guest
2003-08-08 13:32       ` chris
2003-08-07 18:44     ` Luke A. Guest
2003-08-07 19:40       ` Jeffrey Carter
2003-08-07 21:42         ` Luke A. Guest
2003-08-08  1:07           ` Jeffrey Carter
2003-08-08 12:00           ` Phil Thornley
2003-08-08 13:46             ` Martin Dowie
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2003-08-08 15:55                 ` Martin Dowie
2003-08-08 23:37             ` Luke A. Guest
2003-08-10  9:43               ` JP Thornley
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2003-08-22 21:25                 ` Luke A. Guest
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