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From: Shark8 <onewingedshark@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Weakness of Ada is expensive / security / etc. ? Anything else?
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2015 10:31:08 -0700 (PDT)
Date: 2015-07-17T10:31:08-07:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <494f7dc4-12a9-4dc9-96d9-0985a00b00c5@googlegroups.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <084c0dc7-ae74-4cb8-b1fe-78f42de94291@googlegroups.com>

On Friday, July 17, 2015 at 4:19:30 AM UTC-6, Trish Cayetano wrote:
> Hi, here is what I have noted as strengths and weaknesses of Ada. Let me know for any corrections and if you have anything to add... Thank you!
> 
> Strength and weaknesses of the language 
> Strength
> -	Semantics - well defined even in error situations

And the "Bounded Error" option in the spec. (Which is essentially a step between "well-defined and specified behavior" and "undefined behavior".)

> -	Strong typing - can be used to reduce the scope (and cost) of analysis

This should not be underestimated; you can protect (e.g.) a database against bad input with strong typing; you can enforce validity-checks and formatting with it too.

> Weaknesses
> -	Ada complete language is too complex. True or False? If true, how?

False; while it's a 'big' language it's not difficult and full of gotchas -- if you use it regularly (and 'idiomatically') for a couple of years you're not going to be surprised by much... whereas with C++ you constantly see experts with decade-plus experience being surprised.

> -	Ada requires expensive compilers for large systems 

Semi-false -- This depends on what you're doing. FSF-GNAT is free, but comes with GPL; AdaCore-GNAT is also free but comes with a DIFFERENT GPL. Others like RR-Software or IBM's (they bought Rational) will have a different license.

> -	Ada lacks that web presence greatly. comp.lang.ada is the only location on the internet with an active Ada community.

Semi-true -- others have given places where the Ada programmers hang out; but these places usually have an excellent signal to noise ratio. (There could stand to be more tutorials and such.)

> -	How is security a weakness? (Strength can be a weakness too?)

It's not. Security is something you have to consider while designing the program; and having all the security in the world available means absolutely nothing if you don't use it. -- Ada *does* make a lot of security-related things easier with its strong-typing and, funnily enough, with its timing mechanisms. (You can [theoretically] eliminate the timing side-channel attack by marking the "time+maximal operation duration", do the operation, execute a "delay until X" [where X is the calculated time] and now the timing side-channel doesn't exist because that operation executes with constant time.)

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Thread overview: 61+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-07-17 10:19 Weakness of Ada is expensive / security / etc. ? Anything else? Trish Cayetano
2015-07-17 10:46 ` Simon Clubley
2015-07-17 15:35   ` Trish Cayetano
2015-07-17 15:54     ` David Botton
2015-07-17 12:06 ` G.B.
2015-07-17 15:38   ` Trish Cayetano
2015-07-17 12:54 ` David Botton
2015-07-17 15:41   ` Trish Cayetano
2015-07-17 16:20   ` Patrick Noffke
2015-07-17 17:31 ` Shark8 [this message]
2015-07-17 17:43   ` Simon Clubley
2015-07-17 18:39 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2015-07-17 19:28 ` jm.tarrasa
2015-07-17 21:00   ` Pascal Obry
2015-07-17 21:53     ` Shark8
2015-07-17 22:41       ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2015-07-18  7:40         ` Trish Cayetano
2015-07-19 14:55   ` David Botton
2015-07-20  2:40 ` Norman Worth
2015-07-20  9:52   ` Serge Robyns
2015-07-20 17:35     ` Shark8
2015-07-20 19:13       ` David Botton
2015-07-20 22:12       ` NiGHTS
2015-07-21  1:37         ` Norman Worth
2015-07-21  6:54         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-07-21 13:31           ` NiGHTS
2015-07-21 16:59             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-07-21 17:50               ` NiGHTS
2015-07-21 19:44                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-07-21 20:28                   ` Björn Lundin
2015-07-21 22:01                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2015-07-21 23:44                     ` Shark8
2015-07-22  6:19                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-07-22  6:13                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-07-22  7:04                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2015-07-22  7:37                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-07-22  9:29                           ` Graham Stark
2015-07-22 10:33                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-07-22 10:12                           ` G.B.
2015-07-22 10:31                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-07-22 11:20                               ` G.B.
2015-07-22  0:17                   ` NiGHTS
2015-07-22  6:54                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-07-22 15:11                       ` Shark8
2015-07-22 11:43                     ` Brian Drummond
2015-07-24  7:34         ` Egil H H
2015-07-21 11:17       ` Serge Robyns
2015-07-20 17:38 ` Florian Weimer
2015-07-20 17:45   ` Paul Rubin
2015-07-20 17:53     ` Florian Weimer
2015-07-20 18:09       ` Paul Rubin
2015-07-20 18:25         ` Florian Weimer
2015-07-20 18:34           ` Paul Rubin
2015-07-20 19:33             ` Florian Weimer
2015-07-20 20:20               ` Paul Rubin
2015-07-22 18:29                 ` Florian Weimer
2015-07-22 19:58                   ` Paul Rubin
2015-07-26 19:41                     ` Florian Weimer
2015-07-27  1:18                       ` Jeremiah
2015-07-22  6:34               ` Stefan.Lucks
2015-07-26 14:51 ` EGarrulo
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