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From: Georg Bauhaus <rm.dash-bauhaus@futureapps.de>
Subject: Re: Ada for 1st year students
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 16:17:50 +0200
Date: 2008-10-14T16:17:51+02:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <48f4aa0f$0$16788$9b4e6d93@newsspool3.arcor-online.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.WNT.4.64.0810131700170.2500@teor1>

Colin Paul Gloster schrieb:

> Perhaps it is possible to concentrate excessively on mathematics, but
> would you disapprove of the following exercise from a textbook because
> it requires a basic familiarity with things which are not computers?
> "Suppose every student except student b passes their electronics
> exam. Write the relevant Pascal program text for representing the set
> of students who fail electronics." Those things being for example any
> of a student; electronics; failure; and calling a student "b".

This example shows two processes involved in problem
solving:  (1) Transporting the problem from its own domain to
the computer abstraction. (2) Solving the programming problem.

I'd suggest, then, that first the transport destination (computer)
must become a familiar item. Can't expect anyone to operate
unfamiliar, complex machinery... That is, students must know
what a computer is in order to write programs.

So instead of starting with algorithms involving students,
examinations, eventualities, and other deceptively familiar
things, introduce an array as an addressable sequence of memory
cells. Have them contain bit patterns.  Propose to solve the
follosing problem: Find a particular pattern "b" in the array.

I think there is a lot to learn from array searching.
You need the very basics of programming.  The advantage of
starting with the computer and nothing else is that you do not
loose focus.
I think there is a famous paper entitled "An algorithm, Find."
or similar.

Of course, you can't find a programming solution to some real
world problem without also knowing how to find abstractions.
Later.



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Thread overview: 118+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-10-09 16:06 Ada for 1st year students amado.alves
2008-10-09 16:44 ` Vadim Godunko
2008-10-09 17:00   ` Georg Bauhaus
2008-10-09 18:30     ` amado.alves
2008-11-01 12:13       ` Mike H
2008-10-09 18:25   ` amado.alves
2008-10-09 19:09     ` Vadim Godunko
2008-10-09 19:37       ` amado.alves
2008-10-09 16:47 ` mockturtle
2008-10-09 17:06 ` Ludovic Brenta
2008-10-09 19:36   ` Simon Wright
2008-10-14  4:32   ` Randy Brukardt
2008-10-14 10:58     ` amado.alves
2008-10-09 17:27 ` Robert A Duff
2008-10-09 18:35 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2008-10-09 19:36   ` amado.alves
2008-10-09 19:42 ` amado.alves
2008-10-09 20:05   ` ahab
2008-10-09 21:01   ` Pascal Obry
2008-10-09 21:13     ` Ed Falis
2008-10-09 23:14       ` amado.alves
2008-10-10  0:49         ` Jeffrey R. Carter
     [not found]         ` <D9OdnXWk_MQQOXPVnZ2dnUVZ_gWdnZ2d@earthlink.com>
2008-10-10  9:54           ` amado.alves
2008-10-10 17:44             ` Georg Bauhaus
2008-10-15 10:40     ` amado.alves
2008-10-15 11:00       ` christoph.grein
2008-10-15 11:14         ` amado.alves
2008-10-15 11:50           ` christoph.grein
2008-10-15 17:34             ` Georg Bauhaus
2008-10-15 22:30               ` amado.alves
2008-10-16  7:45                 ` christoph.grein
2008-10-16  9:12                   ` amado.alves
2008-10-16 10:15                     ` christoph.grein
2008-10-16 11:17                       ` Niklas Holsti
2008-10-16 11:35                         ` amado.alves
2008-10-16 19:24                         ` sjw
2008-10-17 12:00                           ` amado.alves
2008-10-16 16:26                     ` Pascal Obry
2008-10-16 18:15                       ` amado.alves
2008-10-16 19:14                         ` sjw
2008-10-17 11:59                           ` amado.alves
2008-10-16  9:42                   ` Common Configuration Settings (was: Ada for 1st year students) Georg Bauhaus
2008-10-16 10:24                     ` christoph.grein
2008-10-16 11:20                       ` Common Configuration Settings Georg Bauhaus
2008-10-16 11:37                         ` amado.alves
2008-10-15 13:57           ` Ada for 1st year students Pascal Obry
2008-10-15 15:20             ` amado.alves
2008-10-15 12:51         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2008-10-15 15:34           ` amado.alves
2008-10-25 19:06             ` Marco
2008-10-15 11:08       ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2008-10-15 15:19         ` amado.alves
2008-10-10  0:09 ` Gene
2008-10-10  1:15 ` Jeffrey Creem
2008-10-10 10:04   ` amado.alves
2008-10-11  0:15     ` Jeffrey Creem
2008-10-11 13:46       ` amado.alves
2008-10-11 14:46         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2008-10-11 20:43           ` amado.alves
2008-10-11 20:57             ` amado.alves
2008-10-11 23:37               ` Mike H
2008-10-12  1:06                 ` (see below)
     [not found]               ` <LIydnQ3Px5JC1WzVnZ2dnUVZ_h2dnZ2d@earthlink.com>
2008-10-12  1:37                 ` Gary Scott
2008-11-01 12:09               ` Mike H
2008-10-11 12:54     ` John McCormick
2008-10-11 13:35       ` amado.alves
2008-10-13 23:17         ` Gene
2008-10-11 14:08       ` amado.alves
2008-10-13 12:51         ` Colin Paul Gloster
2008-10-13 20:07           ` amado.alves
2008-10-14 11:56             ` Colin Paul Gloster
2008-10-11 14:12       ` amado.alves
2008-10-11 16:20       ` (see below)
2008-10-12 13:00         ` John McCormick
2008-10-12 14:53           ` amado.alves
2008-10-12 15:31             ` Gary Scott
2008-10-12 16:19               ` Georg Bauhaus
2008-10-13 13:06                 ` Colin Paul Gloster
2008-10-13 15:29                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2008-10-13 16:01                     ` Colin Paul Gloster
2008-10-14 14:17                       ` Georg Bauhaus [this message]
2008-10-13 20:13                   ` amado.alves
2008-10-12 14:56           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2008-10-13 13:10             ` Colin Paul Gloster
2008-10-13 14:08               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2008-10-13 14:26                 ` Colin Paul Gloster
2008-10-13 14:46                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2008-10-14 12:03                     ` Colin Paul Gloster
2008-10-14 12:25                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2008-10-13 15:52             ` John McCormick
2008-10-11 17:44       ` Simon Wright
2008-10-13 14:22 ` Colin Paul Gloster
2008-10-13 20:27   ` amado.alves
2008-10-19 20:49 ` Michael Feldman
2008-10-21 11:16   ` amado.alves
2008-10-22  0:41     ` John McCormick
2008-10-22  8:50       ` amado.alves
2008-10-22  9:26         ` Georg Bauhaus
2008-10-22 11:07           ` amado.alves
2008-10-22 18:02           ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2008-10-22 19:26             ` Adam Beneschan
2008-10-22 20:31               ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2008-11-04 15:31             ` amado.alves
2008-11-04 18:16               ` Colin Paul Gloster
2008-11-05 15:30               ` John McCormick
2008-11-12 12:23                 ` amado.alves
2008-10-22 18:24           ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2008-10-22 13:38         ` mcollado
2008-10-21 11:30   ` amado.alves
2008-10-21 12:34     ` Peter Hermann
2008-10-21 16:35       ` amado.alves
2008-10-22 13:40         ` Larry A Barowski
2008-10-22 13:33       ` Larry A Barowski
2008-10-22 14:11         ` Britt Snodgrass
2008-10-22 21:48           ` Larry A Barowski
2008-10-25 19:36         ` Marco
2008-10-28  0:49           ` lbarowski
2008-10-28 11:31           ` lbarowski
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