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From: Georg Bauhaus <rm.dash-bauhaus@futureapps.de>
Subject: Re: memory management in Ada: tedious without GC?
Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 15:18:48 +0200
Date: 2008-05-19T15:18:49+02:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <48317e39$0$7550$9b4e6d93@newsspool1.arcor-online.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1qxcw3pphdlek.1jgsfwb7atdmo.dlg@40tude.net>

Dmitry A. Kazakov schrieb:
> On Sun, 18 May 2008 20:50:48 -0700 (PDT), Matthew Heaney wrote:
> 
>> On May 16, 4:42 pm, Maciej Sobczak <see.my.homep...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> In Ada RAII is realized with controlled types. They are severely
>>> broken in that they are intrusive in the type hierarchy and they burn
>>> the whole budget for implementation inheritance,
>> No, this is wrong.  You can add in Controlled-ness as far down the
>> hierarchy as you like, by adding a controlled component.
> 
> This is broken too:
> 
> 1. You don't know exactly the order in which the Finalize of the controlled
> component gets called.  So if you access the container object over an
> access discriminant, that might be already invalid.

When you design a type T, should the aspects of "death"
of an object affect the "live" aspects of T objects at all?
Death happens at a defined moment. What happens at this
moment is conceptually separate from what happens while
the object is alive, even though there are relations
between births, lives, and deaths, of course.

But why lump together these two aspects of dynamics in the
same type?
Why not have types, task types perhaps, that take care
of the post mortem affairs of related types? (Other than
wasting the bits maybe.)

We have Factories. Why not have Incineration_Plants or
similar, with well defined protocols?
I certainly find it strange having to think of the
topological orderings of cleanup work when I focus on
what objects of a type should actually do (to do ==>
still alive).



  reply	other threads:[~2008-05-19 13:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 70+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-05-16 17:44 memory management in Ada: tedious without GC? jhc0033
2008-05-16 18:56 ` Ludovic Brenta
2008-05-16 20:42 ` Maciej Sobczak
2008-05-16 21:45   ` Ivan Levashew
2008-05-16 22:59   ` Peter C. Chapin
2008-05-17  5:24     ` jhc0033
2008-05-17  7:50       ` Ivan Levashew
2008-05-16 23:05   ` Randy Brukardt
2008-05-19  3:50   ` Matthew Heaney
2008-05-19  7:55     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2008-05-19 13:18       ` Georg Bauhaus [this message]
2008-05-19 14:16         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2008-05-23 23:15       ` Robert A Duff
2008-05-24  0:45         ` Randy Brukardt
2008-05-24  8:25         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2008-05-24 16:14           ` Robert A Duff
2008-05-24 19:04             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2008-05-24 20:52               ` Robert A Duff
2008-05-25  8:12                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2008-05-25 11:28                   ` Maciej Sobczak
2008-05-25 12:35                   ` Robert A Duff
2008-05-26  8:16                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2008-05-24 19:39             ` Georg Bauhaus
2008-05-24 20:45               ` Robert A Duff
2008-05-19  8:35     ` Maciej Sobczak
2008-05-19 15:11       ` Matthew Heaney
2008-05-19 21:13         ` Maciej Sobczak
2008-05-23 23:03         ` Robert A Duff
2008-05-24  0:12           ` Adam Beneschan
2008-05-16 22:45 ` anon
2008-05-17  7:34 ` Pascal Obry
2008-05-17 15:11   ` Bob Klungle
2008-05-17 15:27     ` Pascal Obry
2008-05-17 16:18       ` Georg Bauhaus
2008-05-20  8:04         ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2008-05-20  8:01       ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2008-05-20 10:03         ` Martin Krischik
2008-05-17 17:23     ` Martin Krischik
2008-05-17 16:51   ` Maciej Sobczak
2008-05-17 17:45     ` Pascal Obry
2008-05-17 22:28       ` Samuel Tardieu
2008-05-18  7:03         ` Martin Krischik
2008-05-18  8:50           ` jhc0033
2008-05-18  9:31             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2008-05-18 14:10               ` Maciej Sobczak
2008-05-18 14:59                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2008-05-18 20:51                   ` Maciej Sobczak
2008-05-19  8:36                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2008-05-18 15:03             ` Martin Krischik
2008-05-18 18:27               ` jhc0033
2008-05-19  4:12                 ` Matthew Heaney
2008-05-19  8:39                   ` Maciej Sobczak
2008-05-19 15:37                     ` Matthew Heaney
2008-05-19 21:21                       ` Maciej Sobczak
2008-05-19 23:02                         ` Matthew Heaney
2008-05-19 10:27                 ` Martin Krischik
2008-05-17 22:42       ` Peter C. Chapin
2008-05-18  6:58         ` Martin Krischik
2008-05-18  6:52     ` Martin Krischik
2008-05-18 14:16       ` Maciej Sobczak
2008-05-17 14:30 ` Brian Drummond
2008-05-17 16:47   ` Maciej Sobczak
2008-05-19 14:45     ` Brian Drummond
2008-05-20  7:42       ` Maciej Sobczak
2008-05-20 18:01         ` jayessay
2008-05-18  8:06   ` Simon Wright
2008-05-18 14:21     ` Maciej Sobczak
2008-05-18 20:48       ` Simon Wright
2008-05-19 14:40     ` Brian Drummond
2008-05-19  3:44 ` Matthew Heaney
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