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From: Georg Bauhaus <rm.tsoh.plus-bug.bauhaus@maps.futureapps.de>
Subject: Re: Robert Dewar's great article about the Strengths of Ada over other langauges in multiprocessing!
Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 10:39:06 +0100
Date: 2008-03-09T10:39:09+01:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <47d3b03d$0$21941$9b4e6d93@newsspool2.arcor-online.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <47D39DC8.20002@obry.net>

Pascal Obry wrote:
> Maciej Sobczak a �crit :
>> Ada will most likely miss the "multicore revolution", unless it will
>> *really* focus on performance - the point is that all this multicore
>> hoopla revolves around performance, *exclusively*.
> 
> Probably, that's why C++ code using threading, OpenMP or MPI are just a
> mess. Impossible to maintain because C++ hackers seems to prefer working
> hard 6 month for gaining 2% of performance instead of buying a new
> computer with more core or adding some node on a cluster. Sorry, but
> I've seen that, horrible mess just because hacking C++ code seems fun to
> many people.

Then again, the multicore things have atomic updates built in
which offer some opportunities that only happen to be
part of the Ada language. Now this language feature becomes
visible as part of the top selling CPUs...
There is research on employing these CPU mechanisms for Ada use,
but, IIUC, it is not *visible* on many sites that are visible to
those interested in how to use new multicore CPUs.
And Ada RTS/Library inclusion is not done yet, or is it?

Multicore algorithms can continue the great academic tradition of
efficient algorithms. Aren't lock-free ones really a natural
starting point? They also have their uses.
IIRC, ready-made Communicating Sequential Processes has a lower
visibility in CS than the basic critical section model.

Ada's tasking implementations are not currently known to be the
best choice when an algorithm is about how to efficiently use
the multicore CPU with word sized memory.  The tasking protocol as
implemented for x86 < Today turns out to be too heavy weight.
The cost is far beyond 10%.



> The cherry on top of the cake is that your application can be ported to
> a new architecture without much trouble.

Gidenstam has ported his Primitives (Ada packages hiding the
CPU's atomic updates) to at least Intel, Sparc, and MIPS.
Built on top of the Primitives, he has a lock-free bounded buffer
in queue mode...



  reply	other threads:[~2008-03-09  9:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 96+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-03-08  6:04 Robert Dewar's great article about the Strengths of Ada over other langauges in multiprocessing! ME
2008-03-08 22:11 ` Maciej Sobczak
2008-03-09  1:09   ` Christopher Henrich
2008-03-09 13:52     ` Maciej Sobczak
2008-03-09  1:51   ` Phaedrus
2008-03-09  3:17     ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2008-03-09 13:59     ` Maciej Sobczak
2008-03-09  3:15   ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2008-03-09 13:32     ` Maciej Sobczak
2008-03-09 14:02       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2008-03-09 18:26       ` Phaedrus
2008-03-10  0:04         ` Ray Blaak
2008-03-10  7:49           ` Georg Bauhaus
2008-03-10 16:48             ` Ray Blaak
2008-03-10  7:53           ` Phaedrus
2008-03-09 22:31       ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2008-03-10  3:53         ` gpriv
2008-03-10  3:04       ` Robert Dewar's great article about the Strengths of Ada over Larry Kilgallen
2008-03-10  9:23         ` Maciej Sobczak
2008-03-10 19:01           ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2008-03-10 22:00             ` Maciej Sobczak
2008-03-11  0:48               ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2008-03-11  7:12                 ` Pascal Obry
2008-03-11  8:59                 ` Maciej Sobczak
2008-03-11  9:49                   ` GNAT bug, Assert_Failure at atree.adb:2893 Ludovic Brenta
2008-03-14 20:03                   ` Robert Dewar's great article about the Strengths of Ada over Ivan Levashew
2008-03-22 21:12           ` Florian Weimer
2008-03-09  8:20   ` Robert Dewar's great article about the Strengths of Ada over other langauges in multiprocessing! Pascal Obry
2008-03-09  9:39     ` Georg Bauhaus [this message]
2008-03-09 12:40     ` Vadim Godunko
2008-03-09 13:37       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2008-03-09 14:41         ` Vadim Godunko
2008-03-10 20:51           ` Randy Brukardt
2008-03-10 22:30             ` Niklas Holsti
2008-03-10  9:56         ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2008-03-11 13:58       ` george.priv
2008-03-11 15:41         ` Vadim Godunko
2008-03-12  0:32           ` gpriv
2008-03-12 13:33             ` Maciej Sobczak
2008-03-12 14:41               ` gpriv
2008-03-12 15:22                 ` Vadim Godunko
2008-03-13  0:34                   ` gpriv
2008-03-12 16:28                 ` Maciej Sobczak
2008-03-12 17:24                   ` Samuel Tardieu
2008-03-13  8:41                     ` Maciej Sobczak
2008-03-13 15:20                       ` Samuel Tardieu
2008-03-12 23:54                   ` gpriv
2008-03-13  9:40                     ` Maciej Sobczak
2008-03-13 10:49                       ` Peter C. Chapin
2008-03-13 13:03                         ` Alex R. Mosteo
2008-03-13 14:02                           ` gpriv
2008-03-14  1:12                           ` Randy Brukardt
2008-03-14 10:16                             ` Alex R. Mosteo
2008-03-13 11:42                       ` gpriv
2008-03-13 16:10                         ` Maciej Sobczak
2008-03-13 16:16                           ` gpriv
2008-03-13 22:01                             ` Simon Wright
2008-03-13 22:25                             ` Maciej Sobczak
2008-03-14  2:07                               ` gpriv
2008-03-14  9:29                                 ` Maciej Sobczak
2008-03-14 21:54                                 ` Simon Wright
2008-03-15  2:29                                   ` gpriv
2008-03-15 13:29                                     ` Maciej Sobczak
2008-03-15 16:09                                       ` gpriv
2008-03-11 22:09       ` gpriv
2008-03-09 13:50     ` Maciej Sobczak
2008-03-09 14:54       ` Pascal Obry
2008-03-10 21:24   ` Randy Brukardt
2008-03-11 10:12     ` Alex R. Mosteo
2008-03-22 22:43     ` Florian Weimer
2008-03-26 13:49       ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2008-03-26 21:27         ` Florian Weimer
2008-03-27  9:31           ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2008-03-27 23:10             ` Florian Weimer
2008-03-28  9:51               ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2008-03-28 18:12                 ` Florian Weimer
2008-03-28 21:45                   ` Randy Brukardt
2008-03-31  7:59                   ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2008-03-31 13:03                     ` (see below)
2008-03-31 14:17                       ` (see below)
2008-04-01  9:02                       ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2008-04-01 14:12                         ` (see below)
2008-04-02  7:22                           ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2008-04-02 14:59                             ` (see below)
2008-04-04  6:36                               ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2008-04-04 13:56                                 ` (see below)
2008-04-04 17:36                                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2008-04-04 17:40                                     ` (see below)
2008-04-15 12:05                               ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2008-04-17  4:46                                 ` Randy Brukardt
2008-03-28  6:34             ` Randy Brukardt
2008-04-29  7:15   ` Ivan Levashew
2008-05-01  2:03     ` Steve Whalen
2008-03-14 19:20 ` Mike Silva
2008-03-14 20:43   ` Ed Falis
2008-03-22 22:51 ` Florian Weimer
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