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From: Pascal Obry <pascal@obry.net>
To: Rico Secada <coolzone@it.dk>
Subject: Re: The future of Ada is at risk
Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 11:19:11 +0100
Date: 2007-12-29T11:19:13+01:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <47761F1F.6040702@obry.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20071229040639.f753f982.coolzone@it.dk>

Rico,

> I have reached the following conclusions:
> 
> 1. Many companies are moving away from Ada towards C/C++. Many has
> already moved during the past 10 years.

And are having lot of problems with bugs and dead-line. At least this is
my own experience on some large simulation projects. Nobody seems to
master enough C++ to be able to build some sensible piece of code. A
disaster!

> 2. Very few projects exists on Sourceforge and Freshmeat compared to
> other languages like C++, Java, Python and others.

Have you looked at Savannah, repo.or.cz...

And please this does not mean anything. Ada is more oriented toward the
industry for high reliable softwares. You won't reach those project on
any Open Source plateforms. You won't even have hint about those
projects in many case as Ada is seen as a competitive tool.

> Only 92 projects on Sourceforge.net and 57 on Freshmeat.net.

And what!

> 3. This is the biggest problem: Ada lacks free support on all
> platforms. The GNU GNAT Compiler is the only Open Source compiler, and
> it lacks proper support and implementation on a variety of platforms.

Which platforms ? Windows and GNU/Linux are probably more than 90% of
the plateforms used for Open Source projects. So what is missing ?

For the industry it is out of question of using a compiler found on the
Internet. It requires a commercial compiler or support.

> The different GNU/Linux implementations of GNAT and the different BSD
> implementations seems to miss different aspects making it impossible to
> port larger projects without having to buy a proprietary compiler.

Yes, and that's the recipe for success. Having a good support is
invaluable for large projects.

> My study shows, from searching around different mailing list archives
> on GNU/Linux and BSD, that people are very attracted towards Ada, but
> because of a poor implementation on different platforms when compared
> to C and C++ people stay away and focus on those languages instead.

Do you really think that C++ is better implemented on Windows and
GNU/Linux... and portable ???

> Problems with GNU GNAT and platform independence seems to be the one
> major reason why Ada isn't a moving target.
> 
> I would like your comments on this please!

In general I have some problems with your conclusions. For me it makes
no sense mixing Open Source projects and commercial ones.

Pascal.

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  reply	other threads:[~2007-12-29 10:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 126+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-12-29  3:06 The future of Ada is at risk Rico Secada
2007-12-29 10:19 ` Pascal Obry [this message]
2007-12-29 19:24   ` Jerry van Dijk
2007-12-29 11:14 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-12-29 11:21 ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-12-30 12:30   ` Florian Weimer
2007-12-30 19:42     ` okellogg
2007-12-30 20:22       ` Florian Weimer
2007-12-31  0:21         ` Samuel Tardieu
2007-12-30 23:30       ` Simon Wright
2007-12-31  8:12     ` I. Levashew
2007-12-31  8:43       ` Florian Weimer
2007-12-31 10:16       ` Rico Secada
2007-12-31 10:31         ` Florian Weimer
2007-12-31 15:20         ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-12-31 21:35           ` Paul
2008-01-01 12:41           ` Florian Weimer
2007-12-29 16:19 ` I. Levashew
2007-12-29 16:24 ` anon
2007-12-29 19:16   ` Rico Secada
2007-12-30  0:38     ` The future of C# " Georg Bauhaus
2008-01-07  8:01   ` The future of Ada " Nasser Abbasi
2008-01-07 11:09     ` Robert A Duff
2008-01-07 11:54       ` Nasser Abbasi
2007-12-30  8:04 ` Phaedrus
2007-12-30  8:56   ` Pascal Obry
2007-12-30 21:42     ` Phaedrus
2007-12-30 23:08       ` Brian May
2007-12-30 23:32         ` Phaedrus
2007-12-31 12:33       ` I. Levashew
2008-01-02 10:46         ` Colin Paul Gloster
2007-12-30 11:08   ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-12-30 22:23     ` Phaedrus
2007-12-30 21:30   ` adaworks
2007-12-30 23:33     ` Phaedrus
2007-12-31  0:33   ` Samuel Tardieu
2008-01-01 14:14 ` Gautier
2008-01-01 14:46   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2008-01-04  8:45 ` Agyaras
2008-01-04  9:36   ` Pascal Obry
2008-01-04 13:13   ` Georg Bauhaus
2008-01-06  9:34     ` Agyaras
2008-01-06 10:26       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2008-01-06 12:03       ` Georg Bauhaus
2008-01-06 13:03       ` Frank J. Lhota
2008-01-07  3:46       ` Brian May
2008-01-08  2:22       ` Randy Brukardt
2008-01-04 23:17   ` Brian May
2008-01-05 10:22   ` Ludovic Brenta
2008-01-05 15:16     ` Robert A Duff
2008-01-05 15:36       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2008-01-05 15:46         ` Robert A Duff
2008-01-05 16:39           ` Georg Bauhaus
2008-01-05 17:14           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2008-01-06 22:08             ` Robert A Duff
2008-01-09  8:19   ` ahab
2008-01-05 10:21 ` Michael Bode
2008-01-05 10:30   ` Ludovic Brenta
2008-01-05 10:55     ` Michael Bode
2008-01-05 13:09       ` Ludovic Brenta
2008-01-05 13:32         ` Michael Bode
2008-01-05 20:36           ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2008-01-05 22:50             ` Michael Bode
2008-01-05 23:42               ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2008-01-05 11:11     ` Georg Bauhaus
2008-01-05 11:40       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2008-01-05 13:29         ` Georg Bauhaus
2008-01-05 14:35           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2008-01-05 17:42             ` Georg Bauhaus
2008-01-05 18:40               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2008-01-05 23:47             ` Brian May
2008-01-06  7:03               ` Vadim Godunko
2008-01-06  8:42               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2008-01-06 12:05                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2008-01-06 12:23                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2008-01-06 20:13                     ` Georg Bauhaus
2008-01-06 20:50                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2008-01-06 22:12                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2008-01-07  0:11                 ` Brian May
2008-01-07  5:23                   ` Per Sandberg
2008-01-08  0:04                     ` Brian May
2008-01-08  6:53                       ` Simon Wright
2008-01-08 14:35                         ` Vadim Godunko
2008-01-08 20:24                   ` Graham
2008-01-08 20:44                   ` Pascal Obry
2008-01-06  9:23               ` Pascal Obry
2008-01-07  0:05                 ` Brian May
2008-01-05 20:34   ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2008-01-05 20:52     ` Michael Bode
2008-01-05 21:40       ` Georg Bauhaus
2008-01-05 23:45       ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2008-01-06 11:16         ` Michael Bode
2008-01-06 19:20           ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2008-01-06 20:27             ` Michael Bode
2008-01-07 10:23   ` Stephen Leake
2008-01-07 17:54     ` Michael Bode
2008-01-11  7:21 ` Phaedrus
2008-01-11  8:49   ` Maciej Sobczak
2008-01-11 13:10     ` Peter C. Chapin
2008-01-11 15:41     ` Hyman Rosen
2008-01-12 14:31       ` Surfer
2008-01-12 20:54         ` Gautier
2008-01-11 19:58     ` Tero Koskinen
2008-01-11 21:41       ` Georg Bauhaus
2008-01-11 13:02   ` framefritti
2008-01-11 15:29     ` Peter C. Chapin
2008-01-11 17:24       ` Gary Scott
2008-01-11 18:20   ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2008-01-11 18:51     ` Gary Scott
2008-01-12  0:21       ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2008-01-12  8:15         ` Pascal Obry
2008-01-12 10:11           ` Brian May
2008-01-12 10:24             ` Pascal Obry
2008-01-12 17:43               ` Gary Scott
2008-01-12 18:14                 ` Pascal Obry
2008-01-12 22:24                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2008-01-13  3:54                     ` Ray Blaak
2008-01-13 14:05                       ` (see below)
2008-01-14  1:46                         ` Ray Blaak
2008-01-14  1:49                         ` Ray Blaak
2008-01-23  2:52                 ` adaworks
2008-01-12 10:47             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2008-01-11 22:32   ` Robert A Duff
2008-01-12  4:06     ` Phaedrus
2008-01-12 15:29       ` Georg Bauhaus
2008-01-12 20:55     ` jtg
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