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From: rieachus@attbi.com (Robert I. Eachus)
Subject: Re: status of Ada STL?
Date: 22 Jun 2002 15:05:45 -0700
Date: 2002-06-22T22:05:46+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <45fd8ad1.0206221405.45dda96a@posting.google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: wccfzzj5bez.fsf@shell01.TheWorld.com

Robert A Duff <bobduff@shell01.TheWorld.com> wrote in message news:<wccfzzj5bez.fsf@shell01.TheWorld.com>...
> That was true in Ada 83, but the rules in Ada 95 are much more lax.
> As I read 11.6(6), if you have this:
> 
>     X := Matrix_Multiply(Y, Z);
> 
> if some operation inside Matrix_Multiply overflows, then X can indeed be
> destroyed.  In RM terms, X can become "abnormal", which means merely
> looking at it can cause you to turn into stone.

The wording is very subtle, look at it again.  But the real meaning is
simple.  The call to Matrix_Multiply(Y,Z) is not allowed to destroy X,
unless Matrix_Multiply is declared with pragma Inline, and does not
include an exception handler.  The handler doesn't need to do anything
really, it is a signal that the code from the inlined call cannot be
mixed with the surrounding code.  IF the call to Matrix_Multiply is
not safe in this way, you can write:
 
     A := 1.0;
     begin
       X := Matrix_Multiply(Y, Z);
     exception when others => raise; end;
     B := 2.0;

   to protect A and B.  If you want to protect X from an exception
during the call as well, what do you write?

     A := 1.0;
     declare
       Temp: Matrix := X;
     begin
       begin
         Temp := Matrix_Multiply(Y, Z);
       exception when others => raise; end;
     end;
     B := 2.0;

And you have made the requirement for a temporary variable explicit. 
Of course, in practice you would either declare a "wrapper" function
for Matrix_Multiply or fix the original in-lined version if this was a
problem.

> 11.6 is very subtle, and I'm not sure I fully understand it, and I'm
> sure I don't like it.  ;-)  I think the moral of the 11.6 story is,
> "don't handle predefined exceptions".
> 
> The changes to 11.6 were deliberate.  The purpose was to allow more
> optimizations, e.g. on some modern machines where exceptions don't
> get noticed until long after they have occurred.

I can assure that everyone on the ARG agrees on the don't like it
part.  In fact the section number was carefully preserved so that we
could continue to use 11.6 as a swear word.  (Or is that swear
number?)

As for normal programmers, there are only three rules to remember:

If you have an Constraint_Error handler, it should make no assumptions
about variable that may have been assigned to within the direct scope
of the handler.

If you write a library, any inlined operations should have local
exception handlers if Constraint_Error within the subprogram is a
concern.

Use 'Valid to avoid problems when validating input data.



  parent reply	other threads:[~2002-06-22 22:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 188+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-06-14  7:21 status of Ada STL? Russ
2002-06-14 16:29 ` Stephen Leake
2002-06-14 18:44 ` Ted Dennison
2002-06-14 20:34 ` Ehud Lamm
2002-06-15 18:52   ` Russ
2002-06-16  2:42     ` David Marceau
2002-06-16  8:07     ` Pascal Obry
2002-06-16 18:23       ` Russ
2002-06-16 19:01         ` Pascal Obry
2002-06-16 19:04         ` Vinzent Hoefler
2002-06-17  1:59           ` Jeffrey Carter
2002-06-17  6:48             ` Russ
2002-06-17  7:04               ` Dale Stanbrough
2002-06-18  6:16                 ` Russ
2002-06-19  1:07                   ` Dale Stanbrough
2002-06-17  9:38               ` chris.danx
2002-06-17 15:53               ` Ted Dennison
2002-06-18  7:52                 ` Russ
2002-06-18 10:57                   ` chris.danx
2002-06-18 14:38                   ` Robert A Duff
2002-06-18 16:19                     ` Brian Rogoff
2002-06-18 17:12                       ` Frank J. Lhota
2002-06-18 18:03                         ` Brian Rogoff
2002-06-18 19:24                           ` Frank J. Lhota
2002-06-18 19:41                             ` Brian Rogoff
2002-06-25  0:02                         ` Steven Deller
2002-06-25  1:24                           ` Yet another assignment variation (was Re: status of Ada STL?) Dale Stanbrough
2002-06-25 12:53                             ` Frank J. Lhota
2002-06-25 17:48                             ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-06-26  3:13                             ` Robert A Duff
2002-06-18 19:03                     ` status of Ada STL? Robert A Duff
2002-06-18 19:54                       ` Brian Rogoff
2002-06-18 21:09                         ` Robert A Duff
2002-06-18 23:36                           ` Brian Rogoff
2002-06-19  1:37                             ` Robert A Duff
2002-06-19 16:25                               ` Brian Rogoff
2002-06-19 18:53                                 ` Robert A Duff
2002-06-19 20:23                                   ` Brian Rogoff
2002-06-19  3:57                           ` Russ
2002-06-18 21:55                   ` Dmitry A.Kazakov
2002-06-19  5:32                     ` Russ
2002-06-19 12:37                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2002-06-20  6:50                         ` Russ
2002-06-20 12:21                           ` Ted Dennison
2002-06-20 21:42                           ` Dmitry A.Kazakov
2002-06-20 18:20                             ` Russ
2002-06-21 10:27                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2002-06-20 18:21                             ` Russ
2002-06-20 19:09                             ` Russ
2002-06-17 17:16               ` Pascal Obry
2002-06-18  5:27                 ` Russ
2002-06-17 17:17               ` Pascal Obry
2002-06-17 21:40             ` Vinzent Hoefler
2002-06-17  5:20           ` Russ
2002-06-17  8:22             ` chris.danx
2002-06-17 14:00               ` Frank J. Lhota
2002-06-17 15:57               ` Marin David Condic
2002-06-18  6:12               ` Russ
2002-06-18  8:16                 ` chris.danx
2002-06-18 14:52                   ` Robert A Duff
2002-06-18 16:02                     ` Pascal Obry
2002-06-18 16:54                       ` Hyman Rosen
2002-06-18 22:58                         ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2002-06-18 19:09                     ` Robert A Duff
     [not found]                     ` <ud6uolglz.fsf@w <wccsn3kxv3g.fsf@shell01.TheWorld.com>
2002-06-19  8:09                       ` Pascal Obry
2002-06-19  3:04                   ` Russ
2002-06-19 16:40                     ` Hyman Rosen
2002-06-19 18:07                       ` Brian Rogoff
2002-06-18  9:37                 ` Fraser Wilson
2002-06-18 15:45                   ` Hyman Rosen
2002-06-19 16:55                   ` Robert I. Eachus
2002-06-19 19:13                     ` Robert A Duff
2002-06-20  7:43                       ` Dmitry A.Kazakov
2002-06-22 22:05                       ` Robert I. Eachus [this message]
2002-06-17 21:40             ` Vinzent Hoefler
2002-06-18 15:05               ` Robert A Duff
2002-06-18 22:36                 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2002-06-19 12:45                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2002-06-19 14:35                     ` Marin David Condic
2002-06-21 11:03                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2002-06-21 16:58                         ` Mark Biggar
2002-06-22 23:23                           ` Dmitry A.Kazakov
2002-06-27  3:00                       ` David Thompson
2002-06-28 13:36                         ` Marin David Condic
2002-06-30  4:05                           ` Russ
2002-06-30 13:50                             ` Ted Dennison
2002-07-01 13:12                             ` Marin David Condic
2002-07-02 19:56                           ` Robert A Duff
     [not found]                           ` <bebbba07.0206292005.45ad915a@p <wcc4rfhj43l.fsf@shell01.TheWorld.com>
2002-07-02 20:40                             ` Pat Rogers
2002-06-18 15:21             ` Robert A Duff
2002-06-19  0:34               ` tmoran
2002-06-19  2:55               ` Russ
2002-06-19  4:53                 ` Ted Dennison
2002-06-19  8:21                 ` Pascal Obry
2002-06-19 14:52                 ` Stephen Leake
2002-06-20  1:45                 ` SteveD
2002-06-20  2:01                   ` Ted Dennison
2002-06-16 20:01         ` Pascal Obry
2002-06-17  5:29           ` Russ
2002-06-16 23:02         ` Ted Dennison
2002-06-17  5:07           ` Russ
2002-06-17 14:03             ` Frank J. Lhota
2002-06-17 14:11             ` Ted Dennison
2002-06-18  5:55               ` Russ
2002-06-18 14:30                 ` Ted Dennison
2002-06-18 15:14                   ` Marin David Condic
2002-06-19 14:19                     ` Ted Dennison
2002-06-19 16:05                       ` Marin David Condic
2002-06-19  5:58                   ` Russ
2002-06-19 14:35                     ` Ted Dennison
2002-06-20  7:06                       ` Russ
2002-06-20 12:27                         ` Ted Dennison
2002-06-20 23:22                           ` Russ
2002-06-21  2:00                             ` Ted Dennison
2002-06-22  4:28                               ` Russ
2002-06-22 15:05                                 ` Ted Dennison
2002-06-21  8:48                             ` Ian Wild
2002-06-22  4:54                             ` Russ
2002-06-20 22:47                   ` Russ
2002-06-21  0:43                     ` Ted Dennison
2002-06-22  4:05                       ` Russ
2002-06-22 14:41                         ` Jano
2002-06-22 20:27                         ` Ted Dennison
2002-06-21 13:12                     ` Marin David Condic
2002-06-24  8:29                       ` Russ
2002-06-24 20:19                         ` Chad R. Meiners
2002-06-18 22:36                 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2002-06-18 22:42                   ` Ed Falis
2002-06-19  0:07                     ` Vinzent Hoefler
2002-06-19  0:07                   ` Vinzent Hoefler
2002-06-17 22:37             ` Dmitry A.Kazakov
2002-06-17 14:09               ` Frank J. Lhota
2002-06-18 21:40                 ` Dmitry A.Kazakov
2002-06-18 16:04         ` Robert A Duff
2002-06-18 16:37           ` Pascal Obry
2002-06-18 18:56             ` Robert A Duff
2002-06-18 22:20               ` Pascal Obry
2002-06-19 12:53               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2002-06-19  3:37           ` Russ
2002-06-19  8:31             ` Pascal Obry
2002-06-20  7:58               ` Russ
2002-06-20 20:34                 ` Pascal Obry
2002-06-21  4:07                   ` Russ
2002-06-17 15:33     ` Marin David Condic
2002-06-18 10:28       ` Adrian Hoe
2002-06-19  7:58         ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2002-06-19 13:55           ` Marin David Condic
2002-06-19 13:52         ` Marin David Condic
2002-09-18 15:23           ` Matthew Heaney
2002-09-19 12:11             ` Marin David Condic
2002-09-19 14:13               ` Hyman Rosen
2002-09-20 12:24                 ` Marin David Condic
2002-09-22  7:22                   ` Kevin Cline
2002-09-23 13:55                     ` Hyman Rosen
2002-09-19 19:42               ` Randy Brukardt
2002-09-20 12:38                 ` Marin David Condic
2002-09-27 21:21                   ` Michael Bode
2002-09-27 22:11                     ` Pat Rogers
2002-09-28 13:25                       ` Marin David Condic
2002-09-28 14:52                         ` Pat Rogers
2002-09-28 15:18                           ` Martin Dowie
2002-09-29 18:02                           ` Marin David Condic
2002-09-29 19:02                             ` Jeffrey Carter
2002-09-30  1:36                               ` Marin David Condic
2002-10-02 22:17                     ` Matthew Heaney
2002-09-28 17:25                 ` Richard Riehle
2002-09-30 17:12                   ` Marin David Condic
2002-10-01 18:41                     ` Randy Brukardt
2002-10-02  8:38                       ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2002-10-02 12:43                         ` Marin David Condic
2002-10-02 14:26                           ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2002-10-02 12:30                       ` Marin David Condic
2002-06-18  1:56     ` SteveD
2002-06-18 14:12       ` Robert A Duff
2002-06-18 14:28         ` chris.danx
2002-06-18 15:59           ` Pascal Obry
2002-06-18 18:58           ` Robert A Duff
2002-06-18 19:58           ` Randy Brukardt
2002-06-19 14:07             ` Marin David Condic
2002-06-19  2:19         ` SteveD
2002-06-18 11:40     ` Colin Paul Gloster
2002-06-20 15:15       ` Colin Paul Gloster
2002-06-18 19:34     ` Mike Silva
2002-06-25 16:31     ` Kevin Cline
2002-06-14 20:34 ` Dan Andreatta
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2002-06-17 11:05 Grein, Christoph
2002-06-18  5:36 ` Russ
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