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From: mph@lion.inmos.co.uk (Mike Harrison)
Subject: Re: problems/risks due to programming language
Date: 23 Feb 90 17:45:29 GMT	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4174@ganymede.inmos.co.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 5017@csv.viccol.edu.au

In article <5017@csv.viccol.edu.au> dougcc@csv.viccol.edu.au (Douglas Miller) writes:
>Valid but utterly vacuous point, as ADA *was* designed to provide maximal
>support for software engineering.  I suppose its possible that another
>(hidden?) design goal was to "have everything".  So what?
>
Wrong ! - Ada was designed primarily to save DoD money, secondarily to support
very long in-service life software (by simplifying the maintenance process), 
with all kinds of other goodies as a tertiary aim.

Way back in (about) 1975 HOLWG showed that DoD was spending huge sums on s/w 
in embedded systems, which were programmed in >300 languages (including ~ 70
different, often incomptible versions of JOVIAL).
The idea of Ada (was Ironman etc.) was to provide a *single* language in which
almost all embedded operational military s/w would be written, then it would 
only be necessary to keep one kind of programmer - an Ada programmer.

Those of us working on Ada and its environments (things which led to Stoneman)
in those days were serious about this people portablity (which was the prime
motivation for the NO SUBSETS, NO SUPERSETS policy).

Whether Ada, its implementers, DoD or anyone else succeded in these aims is a
matter of personal taste, but I believe that the aims were good and the spirit
which motivated most of the early workers was laudable.

[Whatever became of paths and boxes?]

Mike,




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  parent reply	other threads:[~1990-02-23 17:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 66+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1990-02-20 22:28 problems/risks due to programming language, stories requested Gerald Baumgartner
1990-02-21 16:49 ` Richard A Hammond
1990-02-21 20:15   ` problems/risks due to programming language William Thomas Wolfe, 2847 
1990-02-21 22:49     ` Richard A Hammond
1990-02-21 23:14     ` John F Nixon
1990-02-22  5:39     ` Scott MacHaffie
1990-02-22 20:13       ` William Thomas Wolfe, 2847 
1990-02-23 17:32         ` Richard A Hammond
1990-02-25 20:23           ` David Kassover
1990-02-22 20:48       ` Jeff Lawhorn
1990-02-23  2:00       ` Douglas Miller
1990-02-22 16:05         ` Dan L. Pierson
1990-02-22 20:28           ` David Kassover
1990-02-24 19:52           ` Erland Sommarskog
1990-02-23 17:45         ` Mike Harrison [this message]
1990-02-27  2:02           ` Douglas Miller
1990-02-22 18:28     ` Mike Percy
1990-02-23  2:09     ` Douglas Miller
1990-02-22  0:25   ` problems/risks due to programming language, stories requested David Kassover
1990-02-22  3:42     ` Richard A Hammond
1990-02-22 16:08       ` David Kassover
1990-02-22 16:21       ` David Kassover
1990-02-23 18:11 ` Thomas Vachuska
1990-02-24  0:13 ` Mark Brader
1990-02-27 19:30 ` Bill Leonard
1990-02-28 18:57   ` Paul Snively
1990-02-28 21:35     ` Jason Coughlin
1990-03-01 19:00       ` Barry Margolin
1990-03-02 13:31         ` Richard A Hammond
1990-03-02 19:26           ` William Thomas Wolfe, 2847 
1990-03-02 22:19             ` Richard A Hammond
1990-03-06 21:54               ` John Boone
1990-03-03 20:18             ` Charles E Eaker
1990-03-03 21:11               ` Invalid analogy William Thomas Wolfe, 2847 
1990-03-03 23:26                 ` I Wish
1990-03-05 19:51                 ` John F Nixon
1990-03-09 17:20                 ` Tony Sanders
1990-03-01 15:33     ` problems/risks due to programming language, stories requested Jeff Dalton
1990-03-01 21:42       ` Chuck Lins
1990-03-02 19:19     ` David F. Carlson
1990-03-02 22:15       ` William Thomas Wolfe, 2847 
1990-03-06 10:11         ` jbaker
1990-03-08 15:19           ` Lou Steinberg
1990-03-08 21:44             ` Gianfranco Ciardo
1990-03-09 16:18               ` David Kassover
1990-03-09 16:55               ` Erann Gat
1990-03-10 17:50               ` Andrew P. Mullhaupt
1990-03-12  4:06                 ` Peter da Silva
1990-03-12 16:58                 ` Jeff Clark
1990-03-12 20:20                 ` Proposal comp.lang.jihad (was Re: problems/risks due to blah etc.) What`s in a name?
1990-03-09 20:13         ` problems/risks due to programming language, stories requested Tony Sanders
1990-03-13 22:11           ` Erland Sommarskog
1990-03-19  1:01           ` Ada vs C, objectivity requested Lucio de Re
1990-03-26 20:37             ` Karl Heuer
1990-03-15 15:31         ` problems/risks due to programming language, stories requested jaws
1990-03-02 23:27       ` Jim Giles
1990-03-03  2:23         ` Vincent Manis
1990-03-03  2:10       ` problems/risks due to programming language Karl Heuer
1990-03-02 23:01     ` problems/risks due to programming language, stories requested William J. Bouma
1990-03-14  4:46     ` Lindsay Groves
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
1990-02-23  6:46 problems/risks due to programming language Scott MacHaffie
     [not found] <10811@june.cs.washington.edu% <8126@hubcap.clemson.edu% <10838@june.cs.washington.edu>
1990-02-23 18:55 ` B. S. Oplinger
1990-02-24 19:39 Erland Sommarskog
     [not found] <5432@crdgw1.crd.ge.com) <8103@hubcap.clemson.edu) <10811@june.cs.washington.edu) <806@enea.se>
1990-02-26 18:48 ` What`s in a name?
1990-02-26 22:02   ` Karl Heuer
1990-03-02 10:57   ` Erland Sommarskog
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