From: Marin David Condic <nobody@noplace.com>
Subject: Re: 7E7 Flight Controls Electronics
Date: Sat, 29 May 2004 12:58:41 GMT
Date: 2004-05-29T12:58:41+00:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <40B888E0.5040707@noplace.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 40b86431$0$186$edfadb0f@dread11.news.tele.dk
They're doing this stuff to DO-178b and for high criticality items, this
calls out for rather severe levels of structural testing. Basically it
means you need to cover all the paths in the software (more complex than
this really, but this is the short version) Even with C++, this level of
test coverage ought to insure safety of flight. Its just that it will
likely cost more and take longer.
Of course if you've allowed for it in the schedule, you won't slip the
schedule. That depends on your experience with development of similar
systems. If Ada has a demonstrable edge in this area (cost and schedule)
then a competitor ought to be able to bid the job lower, wouldn't you think?
So where are the Ada shops willing to take on the development and offer
a lower price? Why isn't there some embedded system development company
that is agressively going after these projects and offering Ada with a
cost advantage? If they had a bunch of reusable components for the
problem domain and they were DO-178b certified, they'd have all that
leverage to bring to the table too.
We can claim that Ada is superior and bitch because someone else won't
see that and use it and call them boneheads for doing so. Alternately,
if we really believed in its superiority, we'd have companies offering
an Ada alternative and be out-competing the other bidders with low
cost/high quality alternatives. I guess Ada needs a little more
entrepreneurial spirit if it expects to get in the door on these things. ;-)
MDC
Per Dalgas Jakobsen wrote:
>
> Yes I would, because that thing has to be validated, tested, etc., etc.
>
> But I would hate to pay the bill, and I would definitely hate to be the
> project manager that has to tell the bosses that it won't complete on
> schedule.
>
> Per
>
>
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Thread overview: 82+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2004-05-29 1:51 7E7 Flight Controls Electronics Jeffrey Carter
2004-05-29 10:21 ` Per Dalgas Jakobsen
2004-05-29 12:58 ` Marin David Condic [this message]
2004-05-29 13:35 ` Ed Falis
2004-05-29 17:29 ` Marin David Condic
2004-05-29 17:40 ` Ed Falis
2004-05-29 18:44 ` Marin David Condic
2004-05-29 18:58 ` Ed Falis
2004-05-30 7:55 ` Pascal Obry
2004-05-30 11:43 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-05-30 16:10 ` Pascal Obry
2004-05-31 11:56 ` Marin David Condic
2004-05-29 17:48 ` Wes Groleau
2004-05-29 18:53 ` Marin David Condic
[not found] ` <n42jb05e8rk7bsrtf2ikesu9t0bsmbphji@4ax.com>
2004-05-31 12:04 ` Marin David Condic
2004-06-06 10:35 ` I R T
2004-05-30 7:50 ` Pascal Obry
2004-05-31 12:25 ` Marin David Condic
2004-06-02 16:45 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-06-02 17:48 ` Martin Dowie
2004-06-03 15:57 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-06-03 0:09 ` Marin David Condic
2004-06-03 1:08 ` Ed Falis
2004-06-03 12:06 ` Marin David Condic
2004-06-03 12:33 ` Ed Falis
2004-06-03 16:44 ` Wes Groleau
2004-06-03 17:52 ` tmoran
2004-06-04 1:13 ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-06-04 11:27 ` Marin David Condic
2004-06-04 18:38 ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-06-06 21:37 ` Leon Winslow
2004-06-07 11:08 ` I R T
2004-06-08 2:22 ` Richard Riehle
2004-06-08 9:07 ` I R T
2004-06-08 11:33 ` Marin David Condic
2004-06-09 21:02 ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-06-09 21:22 ` Ed Falis
2004-06-09 23:30 ` Richard Riehle
2004-06-10 2:02 ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-06-10 2:27 ` Ed Falis
2004-06-10 19:54 ` Jeffrey Carter
[not found] ` <28rfc01rhesdk2qt27krrr65nnk0n0kihc@4ax.com>
2004-06-12 3:01 ` non sequitur Robert I. Eachus
2004-06-11 16:51 ` 7E7 Flight Controls Electronics (COBOL Popularity) Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-06-11 17:18 ` Marin David Condic
2004-06-11 18:49 ` Richard Riehle
2004-06-11 19:07 ` Marin David Condic
2004-06-11 20:39 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-06-12 11:16 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-06-11 21:05 ` Frank J. Lhota
2004-06-14 12:46 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-06-07 11:19 ` 7E7 Flight Controls Electronics Marin David Condic
2004-06-07 22:24 ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-06-08 1:11 ` Marin David Condic
2004-06-08 2:35 ` Richard Riehle
2004-06-08 6:59 ` tmoran
2004-06-08 19:44 ` Wes Groleau
2004-06-09 1:32 ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-06-09 6:23 ` Richard Riehle
2004-06-09 7:09 ` Martin Dowie
2004-06-10 1:41 ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-06-10 6:13 ` Richard Riehle
2004-06-11 2:03 ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-06-12 2:31 ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-06-15 16:07 ` Richard Riehle
2004-06-09 7:54 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-06-09 6:31 ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-06-09 9:43 ` I R T
2004-06-09 15:28 ` Jerry Petrey
2004-05-29 15:58 ` Preben Randhol
2004-05-29 17:45 ` Marin David Condic
2004-05-29 17:51 ` Ed Falis
2004-05-29 19:55 ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-05-30 7:57 ` Pascal Obry
2004-05-30 18:35 ` Richard Riehle
2004-05-31 12:38 ` Marin David Condic
2004-06-04 12:56 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-06-05 8:49 ` Pascal Obry
2004-06-06 10:27 ` I R T
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2004-05-30 10:34 Rod Chapman
2004-06-03 8:18 ` Vernon Brown
2004-06-03 10:45 ` Martin Krischik
2004-06-03 15:52 ` Richard Riehle
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