From: Marin David Condic <nobody@noplace.com>
Subject: Re: Ada used in General Aviation (GA) applications?
Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 12:17:23 GMT
Date: 2004-05-17T12:17:23+00:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <40A8AD3A.6040803@noplace.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: eXMpc.2542$SZ4.331@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net
Keep in mind that I have done a study that showed a 50% reduction in
development time and a factor of 4 improvement in defects. You may in
fact be thinking of that very study here. I've made the statement here
before.
However, a) it is difficult-to-impossible to claim (from my study) that
Ada was the only factor and b) enough of it was an "all other things
being equal" environment to make the claim believable/useful. It was an
embedded system environment with virtually all of the code home-grown.
It was *not* an environment in which the OS, GUI, Database, Support
Libraries, Etc., were all written in C and all the development tools
were designed with C programming in mind.
You want to take over - for example - Motorola cell phone applets?
That's an interesting market, but you don't even have an Ada compiler
supported for that environment - so all other things aren't equal. Then
there's all the development tools & libraries around it and no similar
suite of stuff for Ada. There is no "Development Kit" - so Ada can't
play on even an equal footing - or play at all. All the abstract studies
in the world citing double-your-productivity-and-reduce-your-bugs are
useless unless and until you've got that development kit sitting right
there available for use.
My argument is not to deny the productivity and defect gains, but to
insist that Ada needs to target a lucrative market and give it
everything it needs to take advantage of the potential productivity gains.
MDC
Jeffrey Carter wrote:
>
>
> I'm aware of 2 real-world studies, in 2 different domains, of real
> projects, done both in C and Ada, with good metrics, that show that Ada
> reaches deployment in half the time/cost of C. As a result, I see no
> evidence to support claims that C-like languages have better
> time-to-market characteristics than Ada.
>
> These same studies show Ada has a factor of 4 fewer post-deployment
> errors, and a factor of 10 less time/cost to correct an error.
>
> Note to MDC: All other things are not equal, but that was true of these
> projects as well, and Ada still came out with a factor of 2 advantage on
> time to deployment.
>
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2004-05-10 9:17 Ada used in General Aviation (GA) applications? Kai Glaesner
2004-05-10 11:39 ` Marin David Condic
2004-05-10 17:59 ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-05-11 11:38 ` Marin David Condic
2004-05-10 18:28 ` Bernd Specht
2004-05-10 20:10 ` Martin Dowie
2004-05-11 7:37 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-05-11 9:45 ` Bernd Specht
2004-05-11 9:52 ` Bernd Specht
2004-05-11 11:50 ` Marin David Condic
2004-05-12 0:07 ` Richard Riehle
2004-05-12 12:21 ` Marin David Condic
2004-05-12 15:36 ` Robert C. Leif
2004-05-11 19:34 ` Bernd Trog
2004-05-11 20:46 ` Bernd Specht
2004-05-12 17:09 ` Mike Silva
2004-05-12 18:51 ` Bernd Specht
2004-05-13 5:50 ` Pascal Obry
2004-05-13 7:21 ` Vinzent 'Gadget' Hoefler
2004-05-13 8:10 ` Bernd Specht
2004-05-13 8:57 ` Vinzent 'Gadget' Hoefler
2004-05-13 9:27 ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-05-13 11:46 ` Marin David Condic
2004-05-13 19:20 ` Randy Brukardt
2004-05-13 21:00 ` tmoran
2004-05-13 23:41 ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-05-14 6:44 ` Anders Wirzenius
2004-05-14 13:54 ` Andersen Jacob Sparre
2004-05-17 5:27 ` Anders Wirzenius
2004-05-17 11:53 ` Marin David Condic
2004-05-14 22:31 ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-05-15 9:05 ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2004-05-15 11:46 ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-05-16 16:48 ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-05-17 6:35 ` Time to market, was: " Anders Wirzenius
2004-05-17 12:17 ` Marin David Condic [this message]
2004-05-18 1:05 ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-05-18 7:58 ` Peter Amey
[not found] ` <40A9EFFC.7090708@noplace.com>
2004-05-19 0:45 ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-05-17 12:04 ` Marin David Condic
2004-05-17 6:09 ` Anders Wirzenius
2004-05-18 4:45 ` Simon Wright
2004-05-17 11:58 ` Marin David Condic
2004-05-17 6:15 ` Martin Krischik
2004-05-17 11:48 ` Marin David Condic
2004-05-13 16:45 ` Pascal Obry
2004-05-13 17:05 ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2004-05-13 20:59 ` Bartłomiej Świercz
2004-05-13 21:06 ` Pascal Obry
2004-05-14 1:07 ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-05-13 22:37 ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-05-14 6:41 ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2004-05-13 19:30 ` Bernd Trog
2004-05-13 16:17 ` Mike Silva
2004-05-11 20:15 ` Martin Dowie
2004-05-12 12:30 ` Marin David Condic
2004-05-13 7:55 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-05-13 12:01 ` Marin David Condic
2004-05-13 13:22 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-05-17 12:25 ` Marin David Condic
2004-05-17 13:11 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-05-13 19:29 ` Randy Brukardt
2004-05-14 10:45 ` Kai Glaesner
2004-05-14 22:35 ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-05-17 12:26 ` Marin David Condic
2004-05-17 19:29 ` Randy Brukardt
2004-05-18 1:09 ` Jeffrey Carter
[not found] ` <40A9F260.9080300@noplace.com>
2004-05-19 0:50 ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-05-19 1:34 ` Marin David Condic
2004-06-06 9:48 ` I R T
2004-05-18 4:50 ` Simon Wright
[not found] ` <40A9F38C.9080003@noplace.com>
2004-05-18 21:05 ` Simon Wright
2004-06-06 9:51 ` I R T
2004-05-18 12:05 ` Marin David Condic
2004-05-19 17:17 ` Randy Brukardt
2004-05-19 22:21 ` Marin David Condic
2004-05-20 19:10 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-05-21 11:39 ` Marin David Condic
2004-05-19 22:42 ` Jeff C,
2004-05-20 11:36 ` Marin David Condic
2004-05-21 1:46 ` Jeff C,
2004-05-21 5:46 ` Richard Riehle
2004-05-21 5:44 ` Simon Wright
2004-06-06 10:01 ` I R T
2004-05-12 2:32 ` Steve
2004-05-12 12:34 ` Marin David Condic
2004-05-13 6:21 ` Richard Riehle
2004-05-13 8:30 ` End of "discussion" (was Re: Ada used in General Aviation (GA) applications?) Bernd Specht
2004-05-13 15:14 ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-05-13 12:09 ` Ada used in General Aviation (GA) applications? Marin David Condic
2004-05-13 14:58 ` Martin Dowie
2004-05-13 20:37 ` Symbian OS (was: Re: Ada used in General Aviation (GA) applications?) Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-05-11 11:41 ` Ada used in General Aviation (GA) applications? Marin David Condic
2004-05-11 17:28 ` Bernd Specht
2004-05-12 12:42 ` Marin David Condic
2004-05-13 8:00 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-05-12 10:01 ` Peter Amey
2004-05-12 12:50 ` Marin David Condic
2004-05-12 14:45 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-05-13 7:43 ` Peter Amey
2004-05-13 12:17 ` Marin David Condic
2004-05-12 17:13 ` Mike Silva
2004-05-10 21:31 ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-05-11 11:29 ` Martin Dowie
2004-05-11 20:12 ` Martin Dowie
2004-05-11 14:29 ` Britt Snodgrass
2004-06-06 9:30 ` I R T
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-05-12 9:06 Lionel.DRAGHI
2004-05-12 12:52 ` Marin David Condic
2004-05-12 17:58 ` Bernd Specht
2004-05-12 18:13 ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-05-12 18:28 ` Mark Lorenzen
2004-05-13 13:31 ` Mike Silva
2004-05-12 14:25 Lionel.DRAGHI
2004-05-13 7:57 Lionel.DRAGHI
2004-05-13 8:39 Lionel.DRAGHI
2004-05-14 11:44 Lionel.DRAGHI
2004-05-14 18:11 ` Martin Dowie
2004-05-16 18:53 ` Robert I. Eachus
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