comp.lang.ada
 help / color / mirror / Atom feed
From: Marin David Condic <nobody@noplace.com>
Subject: Re: Standard Ada Preprocessor (conclusions)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 13:25:18 GMT
Date: 2004-01-30T13:25:18+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <401A5B3A.1020201@noplace.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: brbSb.57508$Kg6.641900@news20.bellglobal.com

I'm afraid I'd have to agree to some extent. Ada *must* pay attention to 
what real-world developers *are* doing and why they are doing it and ask 
"Can I be of some assistance in that area?" It *must* offer more and 
better to the average developer or the average developer will go 
somewhere else.

Complex, arcane, difficult to understand techniques to get around what 
might be perceived as "bad" in what developers are already doing doesn't 
help them much. Offering them a "better" solution that is easy for them 
to grasp and utilize is something that helps make the sale. A good 
example is the whole ability of Ada to handle the "make" job right from 
a single command rather than having to build all sorts of complex, 
arcane, difficult to understand makefiles. The developer has a *better* 
answer with Ada than he does with C in that regard. We don't need to 
blindly mimmic whatever already exists - that would be the "Me Too!" 
answer. But if we can offer them something that does the same job in a 
better way - or offer them everything they've already got and *more* - 
then there's more incentive to use Ada.

Ada should take a look at what the people who *don't* use Ada are doing 
and what it is they need to do their jobs better. If it really offers 
them more leverage and does it in simple ways that they can understand 
and utilize, perhaps they'll start gravitating towards the better mousetrap?

MDC

Warren W. Gay VE3WWG wrote:
> 
> Looking at the larger question of why "Ada is Unpopular?"
> then, I would have to conclude from this thread (and the
> original) that this attitude is ONE reason
> that Ada has not achieved popular support.  That is a
> shame, IMO, because there has been much effort
> expended into bringing software into a newer level of
> quality and reliability. Much could be learned from the
> lessons of Ada.
> 

-- 
======================================================================
Marin David Condic
I work for: http://www.belcan.com/
My project is: http://www.jsf.mil/NSFrames.htm

Send Replies To: m   o   d   c @ a   m   o   g
                    c   n   i       c   .   r

     "Face it ladies, its not the dress that makes you look fat.
     Its the FAT that makes you look fat."

         --  Al Bundy

======================================================================




  parent reply	other threads:[~2004-01-30 13:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 292+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-01-17 11:15 why ada is so unpopular ? Szymon Guz
2004-01-17 13:53 ` Martin Dowie
2004-01-17 14:27 ` Dmytry Lavrov
2004-01-17 21:02   ` Szymon Guz
2004-01-17 22:36     ` Adrian Knoth
2004-01-18  9:21       ` Szymon Guz
2004-01-18 12:18         ` Luke A. Guest
2004-01-18 13:09           ` Ronald Dauster
2004-01-18 12:59         ` Ronald Dauster
2004-01-18 13:25           ` Stephane Richard
2004-01-18 14:17           ` Szymon Guz
2004-01-18 14:42             ` Marin David Condic
2004-01-18 15:23               ` Szymon Guz
2004-01-18 17:53                 ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-01-18 16:34               ` Preben Randhol
2004-01-19 12:59                 ` Marin David Condic
2004-01-19 13:06                   ` Preben Randhol
2004-01-19 13:28                     ` Marin David Condic
2004-01-19 13:37                       ` Preben Randhol
2004-01-20 12:38                         ` Marin David Condic
2004-01-20 17:31                           ` Standard Ada Preprocessor (Was: why ada is so unpopular ?) Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-01-20 18:50                             ` Standard Ada Preprocessor Georg Bauhaus
2004-01-26  4:00                               ` Peter Richtmyer
2004-01-26  5:01                                 ` tmoran
2004-01-26 12:01                                 ` Marin David Condic
2004-02-01 15:09                               ` Mark
2004-02-01 19:10                                 ` Frank J. Lhota
2004-02-02 16:48                                   ` Martin Krischik
2004-02-02 18:22                                     ` Frank J. Lhota
2004-01-21 12:39                             ` Standard Ada Preprocessor (Was: why ada is so unpopular ?) Marin David Condic
2004-01-21 13:12                               ` Standard Ada Preprocessor Georg Bauhaus
2004-01-22  0:05                               ` Standard Ada Preprocessor (Was: why ada is so unpopular ?) Robert I. Eachus
2004-01-22  5:59                                 ` Randy Brukardt
2004-01-22 12:58                                   ` Marin David Condic
2004-01-22 17:25                                     ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-01-23 12:24                                       ` Marin David Condic
2004-01-23 13:46                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-01-23 17:16                                           ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-01-23 17:52                                             ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-01-23 21:57                                               ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-01-24  0:52                                                 ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-01-26 17:19                                                   ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-01-27 12:24                                                     ` Marin David Condic
2004-01-27 19:03                                                       ` Standard Ada Preprocessor Georg Bauhaus
2004-01-24  1:34                                                 ` Standard Ada Preprocessor (Was: why ada is so unpopular ?) Marin David Condic
2004-01-26 17:27                                                   ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-01-27 12:30                                                     ` Marin David Condic
2004-01-24  8:20                                                 ` Pascal Obry
2004-01-26 17:29                                                   ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-01-23 17:56                                             ` Larry Hazel
2004-01-24  1:36                                               ` Marin David Condic
2004-01-23 22:14                                             ` Randy Brukardt
2004-01-23 22:42                                               ` tmoran
2004-01-26 17:50                                               ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-01-26 18:54                                                 ` Standard Ada Preprocessor Jeffrey Carter
2004-01-26 21:53                                                   ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-01-27  0:00                                                     ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-01-27 17:30                                                       ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-01-27 20:55                                                         ` Robert A Duff
2004-01-27 22:03                                                           ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-01-28 12:28                                                           ` Marin David Condic
2004-01-28 20:55                                                             ` Simon Wright
2004-01-29 12:40                                                               ` Marin David Condic
2004-01-29 18:08                                                                 ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-01-30 12:30                                                                   ` Marin David Condic
2004-01-29 20:45                                                                 ` Simon Wright
2004-01-29 23:12                                                                   ` Randy Brukardt
2004-01-30 13:09                                                                     ` Marin David Condic
2004-01-30 18:06                                                                       ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-01-31  8:11                                                                         ` Marin David Condic
2004-01-30 12:36                                                                   ` Marin David Condic
2004-01-30 16:52                                                             ` Pascal Obry
2004-01-31  8:25                                                               ` Marin David Condic
2004-01-27 21:04                                                         ` Randy Brukardt
2004-01-28 12:42                                                           ` Marin David Condic
2004-01-27 12:48                                                 ` Standard Ada Preprocessor (Was: why ada is so unpopular ?) Marin David Condic
2004-01-26  9:34                                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-01-26 19:23                                               ` Randy Brukardt
2004-01-23  2:47                                     ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-01-23 12:38                                       ` Marin David Condic
2004-01-24  5:23                                         ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-01-24 12:28                                           ` Marin David Condic
2004-01-24 15:32                                             ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-01-24 15:43                                               ` Marin David Condic
2004-01-25  4:24                                                 ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-01-25 16:24                                                   ` Marin David Condic
2004-01-29 11:17                                                 ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2004-01-29 12:52                                                   ` Marin David Condic
2004-01-26 18:03                                           ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-01-26 19:14                                             ` Standard Ada Preprocessor Jeffrey Carter
2004-01-26 22:04                                               ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-01-27  1:00                                                 ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-01-27  8:35                                                   ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2004-01-27 11:09                                                     ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-01-27 15:22                                                       ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2004-01-27 15:54                                                       ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-01-27 18:00                                                         ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-01-27 19:19                                                           ` David Starner
2004-01-27 20:08                                                             ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-01-27 20:19                                                             ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-01-27 20:58                                                             ` Randy Brukardt
2004-01-27 22:13                                                             ` Simon Wright
2004-01-27 23:04                                                               ` David Starner
2004-01-28  1:41                                                                 ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-01-28  2:26                                                                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-01-28  2:50                                                                 ` Stephen Leake
2004-01-28  3:21                                                                   ` Jeff C,
2004-01-28  3:57                                                                   ` David Starner
2004-01-29  3:03                                                                     ` Stephen Leake
2004-01-29  7:20                                                                       ` David Starner
2004-01-29 11:14                                                                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-01-29 18:56                                                                           ` David Starner
2004-01-29 19:41                                                                             ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-01-29 12:57                                                                       ` Marin David Condic
2004-01-29 13:51                                                                         ` Preben Randhol
2004-01-30  2:46                                                                           ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-01-28 20:34                                                                   ` Michael Bode
2004-01-29  3:06                                                                     ` Stephen Leake
2004-01-28 12:50                                                             ` Marin David Condic
2004-01-27 20:44                                                           ` Randy Brukardt
2004-01-27 22:15                                                           ` Alexandre E. Kopilovitch
2004-01-29 17:31                                                             ` Standard Ada Preprocessor (conclusions) Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-01-29 19:44                                                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-01-30 13:25                                                               ` Marin David Condic [this message]
2004-01-30 13:29                                                                 ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2004-01-30 13:53                                                                   ` Marin David Condic
2004-01-30 14:14                                                                     ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2004-01-27 19:11                                                         ` Standard Ada Preprocessor Jeffrey Carter
2004-01-27 21:48                                                         ` Alexandre E. Kopilovitch
2004-01-28 16:26                                                           ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-01-29  2:51                                                             ` Alexandre E. Kopilovitch
2004-01-29 11:19                                                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-01-29 22:02                                                                 ` Nature of XML (was: Re: Standard Ada Preprocessor) Alexandre E. Kopilovitch
2004-01-30  8:53                                                                   ` Preben Randhol
2004-01-30 17:35                                                                     ` Alexandre E. Kopilovitch
2004-01-30 19:13                                                                       ` Preben Randhol
2004-01-31 16:04                                                                         ` Alexandre E. Kopilovitch
2004-01-31 16:45                                                                           ` Preben Randhol
2004-01-30 18:49                                                                   ` Nature of XML Georg Bauhaus
2004-01-30 19:16                                                                     ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-01-30 22:59                                                                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-01-31  1:26                                                                         ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-01-31 13:08                                                                           ` Nature of XML (ramblings) Marius Amado Alves
2004-01-31 18:14                                                                             ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-02-03  1:35                                                                           ` Nature of XML Robert C. Leif
2004-02-03 14:23                                                                             ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-01-27 17:50                                                     ` Standard Ada Preprocessor Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-01-27 20:42                                                       ` Randy Brukardt
2004-01-27 21:41                                                         ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-01-28  9:10                                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-01-29 17:39                                                             ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-01-28 23:21                                                           ` Randy Brukardt
2004-01-29 17:46                                                             ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-01-30  3:20                                                             ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-01-28 12:27                                                       ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2004-01-29 17:53                                                         ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-01-27 17:33                                                   ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-01-27 19:07                                                     ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-01-27 21:42                                                       ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-01-27  2:35                                                 ` Randy Brukardt
2004-01-27 21:47                                                   ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-01-28  1:19                                                     ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-01-28 12:30                                                       ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2004-01-28 23:35                                                     ` Randy Brukardt
2004-01-29 10:16                                                       ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2004-01-29 17:58                                                       ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-01-29 23:19                                                         ` Randy Brukardt
2004-01-27  3:54                                                 ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-01-27 21:53                                                   ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-01-28  1:27                                                     ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-01-29 18:02                                                       ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-01-28 20:35                                                     ` Pascal Obry
2004-01-29  0:53                                                       ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-01-28 23:41                                                     ` Randy Brukardt
2004-01-29 18:04                                                       ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-01-30  2:33                                                       ` Chad R. Meiners
2004-01-30 18:00                                                         ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-01-30 22:52                                                           ` Blinking text Chad R. Meiners
2004-02-06 17:14                                                             ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-01-27  7:41                                                 ` Standard Ada Preprocessor Pascal Obry
2004-01-27 21:53                                                   ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-01-27  0:06                                               ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-01-27 21:55                                                 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-01-28  1:34                                                   ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-01-30 17:19                                                     ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-01-30 19:06                                                       ` Frank J. Lhota
2004-02-10 11:18                                                         ` stephen.freeman9
2004-02-10 17:45                                                           ` Language Design (was Standard Ada Preprocessor) Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-01-27  0:17                                               ` Standard Ada Preprocessor Alexandre E. Kopilovitch
2004-01-26 23:44                                             ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-01-27 22:04                                               ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-01-28  2:47                                                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-01-30 17:29                                                   ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-01-30 19:06                                                     ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-01-31  8:42                                                     ` Marin David Condic
2004-02-02 17:28                                                       ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-01-27  0:15                                             ` Standard Ada Preprocessor (Was: why ada is so unpopular ?) Robert I. Eachus
2004-01-27 22:05                                               ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-01-24  8:17                                         ` Pascal Obry
2004-01-24 12:44                                           ` Marin David Condic
2004-01-24 15:39                                             ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-01-24 16:06                                               ` Marin David Condic
2004-01-26 11:28                                             ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2004-01-26 12:07                                               ` Marin David Condic
2004-01-23 16:38                                       ` Alexandre E. Kopilovitch
2004-01-23 17:54                                         ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-01-23 17:24                                       ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-01-23 22:30                                         ` Randy Brukardt
2004-01-26 22:11                                           ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-01-27  0:28                                             ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-01-27 22:13                                               ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-01-27  1:02                                             ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-01-22 14:13                                   ` Robert A Duff
2004-01-22 17:27                                     ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-01-23 12:54                                       ` Marin David Condic
2004-01-23 17:26                                         ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-01-23 12:52                                     ` Marin David Condic
2004-01-24  5:52                                       ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-01-24 12:56                                         ` Marin David Condic
2004-01-24 15:53                                           ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-01-30 17:39                                             ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-01-31  1:58                                               ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-02-02 17:55                                                 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-02-04 18:36                                                   ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-02-06 17:27                                                     ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-02-07 13:18                                                       ` Marin David Condic
2004-02-09 17:37                                                         ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-02-10 14:59                                                       ` Standard Ada Preprocessor Jacob Sparre Andersen
2004-02-10 17:57                                                         ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-02-10 21:49                                                           ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2004-02-11  8:34                                                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-02-13 17:27                                                             ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-01-30 17:34                                           ` Standard Ada Preprocessor (Was: why ada is so unpopular ?) Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-01-22 12:47                                 ` Marin David Condic
2004-01-22 13:24                                   ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2004-01-22 18:20                                     ` Robert A Duff
2004-01-23  9:18                                       ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2004-01-23 12:59                                     ` Marin David Condic
2004-01-23 14:21                                       ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2004-01-24  6:02                                       ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-01-24 13:09                                         ` Marin David Condic
2004-01-24 19:32                                           ` tmoran
2004-01-24 20:34                                             ` Marin David Condic
2004-01-22 17:29                                   ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-01-22 13:19                                 ` Standard Ada Preprocessor Georg Bauhaus
2004-01-22 13:49                                   ` Marin David Condic
2004-01-22 15:03                                     ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-01-22 17:33                                       ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-01-22 19:02                                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-01-23 17:35                                           ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-01-24  1:50                                             ` Marin David Condic
2004-01-24  5:33                                               ` Randy Brukardt
2004-01-24 13:28                                                 ` Marin David Condic
2004-01-24 15:58                                                   ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-01-24 16:11                                                     ` Marin David Condic
2004-01-24 19:32                                                   ` tmoran
2004-01-24 20:44                                                     ` Marin David Condic
2004-01-25  5:02                                                       ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-01-25 16:38                                                         ` Marin David Condic
2004-01-26 16:03                                                           ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-01-24 23:39                                                   ` Randy Brukardt
2004-01-25 13:47                                                     ` Stephane Richard
2004-01-26 19:19                                                       ` Randy Brukardt
2004-01-24  6:08                                             ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-01-23 13:11                                       ` Marin David Condic
2004-01-22 14:12                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
     [not found]                           ` <ldlq00hmnm7ofaqem3kkrt7qhf6o7kjfmj@4ax.com>
2004-01-21 12:20                             ` why ada is so unpopular ? Marin David Condic
2004-01-19 13:09                   ` Jeff C,
2004-01-19 23:03                     ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-01-20  1:10                       ` cl1
2004-01-20  5:34                         ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-01-20  7:37                           ` Preben Randhol
2004-01-20 16:41                             ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-01-20 23:59                             ` Stephen Leake
2004-01-21 10:29                               ` Preben Randhol
2004-01-17 23:01     ` Marin David Condic
2004-01-18  0:30       ` Hyman Rosen
2004-01-18  2:06         ` cl1
2004-01-18  3:12           ` Hyman Rosen
2004-01-18  3:28             ` cl1
2004-01-18 14:34         ` Marin David Condic
2004-01-19 23:46     ` chris
2004-01-18 18:41 ` Jano
2004-01-21  2:01 ` Luke A. Guest
2004-01-21 14:23   ` Hyman Rosen
2004-01-21 14:31   ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-01-21 15:15     ` Hyman Rosen
2004-01-21 18:40       ` Robert A Duff
2004-01-21 18:31   ` chris
2004-01-22 13:11     ` Marin David Condic
2004-01-22 23:33       ` Stephen Leake
2004-01-23 13:25         ` Marin David Condic
replies disabled

This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox