From: Marin David Condic <nobody@noplace.com>
Subject: Re: why ada is so unpopular ?
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 13:11:56 GMT
Date: 2004-01-22T13:11:56+00:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <400FCC19.6080607@noplace.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: PxzPb.8362$YV1.4465@newsfep4-winn.server.ntli.net
Its not a totally illigitimate concern. Programmers come and go. Its
expensive and risky to use *anything* outside of the mainstream.
Hardware is a good example. Would you rather support a current version
of an IBM PC or an old DEC Alpha/VMS system? The old system is *really*
costly to maintain because nobody is mass producing parts for it and not
as many programmers know how to use it, etc. All that adds cost to a
project. The technical superiority of an Alpha over a PC is irrelevant.
You'd be building your system on top of an antique and the first
breakdown you have is going to kill you.
As for "disposable" programmers - would you be willing to sign a
long-term contract promising never to leave the company you are at?
Probably not. Hence a manager needs to consider the possibility that you
might quit and what does he do in that case? He would have to hire and
train someone else - costly and time consuming. So using a language that
is widely known and platforms that are widely used, he minimizes risks
and costs. That's what managers are *supposed* to do.
Rather than complain about "stupid management" we ought to be helping
them solve their problems. If Ada had much more capability and
widespread use, then the manager has substantially less risk in going
that route. Give the poor guy something he can *trust* will be around,
supported, low cost and high leverage and you may discover he starts
making decisions more to your liking.
MDC
chris wrote:
>
> If they knew, would they care? In the desktop, I don't think so.
> Ludovic is right in the disposability of programmers. Especially today.
>
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2004-01-17 11:15 why ada is so unpopular ? Szymon Guz
2004-01-17 13:53 ` Martin Dowie
2004-01-17 14:27 ` Dmytry Lavrov
2004-01-17 21:02 ` Szymon Guz
2004-01-17 22:36 ` Adrian Knoth
2004-01-18 9:21 ` Szymon Guz
2004-01-18 12:18 ` Luke A. Guest
2004-01-18 13:09 ` Ronald Dauster
2004-01-18 12:59 ` Ronald Dauster
2004-01-18 13:25 ` Stephane Richard
2004-01-18 14:17 ` Szymon Guz
2004-01-18 14:42 ` Marin David Condic
2004-01-18 15:23 ` Szymon Guz
2004-01-18 17:53 ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-01-18 16:34 ` Preben Randhol
2004-01-19 12:59 ` Marin David Condic
2004-01-19 13:06 ` Preben Randhol
2004-01-19 13:28 ` Marin David Condic
2004-01-19 13:37 ` Preben Randhol
2004-01-20 12:38 ` Marin David Condic
2004-01-20 17:31 ` Standard Ada Preprocessor (Was: why ada is so unpopular ?) Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-01-20 18:50 ` Standard Ada Preprocessor Georg Bauhaus
2004-01-26 4:00 ` Peter Richtmyer
2004-01-26 5:01 ` tmoran
2004-01-26 12:01 ` Marin David Condic
2004-02-01 15:09 ` Mark
2004-02-01 19:10 ` Frank J. Lhota
2004-02-02 16:48 ` Martin Krischik
2004-02-02 18:22 ` Frank J. Lhota
2004-01-21 12:39 ` Standard Ada Preprocessor (Was: why ada is so unpopular ?) Marin David Condic
2004-01-21 13:12 ` Standard Ada Preprocessor Georg Bauhaus
2004-01-22 0:05 ` Standard Ada Preprocessor (Was: why ada is so unpopular ?) Robert I. Eachus
2004-01-22 5:59 ` Randy Brukardt
2004-01-22 12:58 ` Marin David Condic
2004-01-22 17:25 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-01-23 12:24 ` Marin David Condic
2004-01-23 13:46 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-01-23 17:16 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-01-23 17:52 ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-01-23 21:57 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-01-24 0:52 ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-01-26 17:19 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-01-27 12:24 ` Marin David Condic
2004-01-27 19:03 ` Standard Ada Preprocessor Georg Bauhaus
2004-01-24 1:34 ` Standard Ada Preprocessor (Was: why ada is so unpopular ?) Marin David Condic
2004-01-26 17:27 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-01-27 12:30 ` Marin David Condic
2004-01-24 8:20 ` Pascal Obry
2004-01-26 17:29 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-01-23 17:56 ` Larry Hazel
2004-01-24 1:36 ` Marin David Condic
2004-01-23 22:14 ` Randy Brukardt
2004-01-23 22:42 ` tmoran
2004-01-26 17:50 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-01-26 18:54 ` Standard Ada Preprocessor Jeffrey Carter
2004-01-26 21:53 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-01-27 0:00 ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-01-27 17:30 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-01-27 20:55 ` Robert A Duff
2004-01-27 22:03 ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-01-28 12:28 ` Marin David Condic
2004-01-28 20:55 ` Simon Wright
2004-01-29 12:40 ` Marin David Condic
2004-01-29 18:08 ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-01-30 12:30 ` Marin David Condic
2004-01-29 20:45 ` Simon Wright
2004-01-29 23:12 ` Randy Brukardt
2004-01-30 13:09 ` Marin David Condic
2004-01-30 18:06 ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-01-31 8:11 ` Marin David Condic
2004-01-30 12:36 ` Marin David Condic
2004-01-30 16:52 ` Pascal Obry
2004-01-31 8:25 ` Marin David Condic
2004-01-27 21:04 ` Randy Brukardt
2004-01-28 12:42 ` Marin David Condic
2004-01-27 12:48 ` Standard Ada Preprocessor (Was: why ada is so unpopular ?) Marin David Condic
2004-01-26 9:34 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-01-26 19:23 ` Randy Brukardt
2004-01-23 2:47 ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-01-23 12:38 ` Marin David Condic
2004-01-24 5:23 ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-01-24 12:28 ` Marin David Condic
2004-01-24 15:32 ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-01-24 15:43 ` Marin David Condic
2004-01-25 4:24 ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-01-25 16:24 ` Marin David Condic
2004-01-29 11:17 ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2004-01-29 12:52 ` Marin David Condic
2004-01-26 18:03 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-01-26 19:14 ` Standard Ada Preprocessor Jeffrey Carter
2004-01-26 22:04 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-01-27 1:00 ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-01-27 8:35 ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2004-01-27 11:09 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-01-27 15:22 ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2004-01-27 15:54 ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-01-27 18:00 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-01-27 19:19 ` David Starner
2004-01-27 20:08 ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-01-27 20:19 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-01-27 20:58 ` Randy Brukardt
2004-01-27 22:13 ` Simon Wright
2004-01-27 23:04 ` David Starner
2004-01-28 1:41 ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-01-28 2:26 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-01-28 2:50 ` Stephen Leake
2004-01-28 3:21 ` Jeff C,
2004-01-28 3:57 ` David Starner
2004-01-29 3:03 ` Stephen Leake
2004-01-29 7:20 ` David Starner
2004-01-29 11:14 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-01-29 18:56 ` David Starner
2004-01-29 19:41 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-01-29 12:57 ` Marin David Condic
2004-01-29 13:51 ` Preben Randhol
2004-01-30 2:46 ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-01-28 20:34 ` Michael Bode
2004-01-29 3:06 ` Stephen Leake
2004-01-28 12:50 ` Marin David Condic
2004-01-27 20:44 ` Randy Brukardt
2004-01-27 22:15 ` Alexandre E. Kopilovitch
2004-01-29 17:31 ` Standard Ada Preprocessor (conclusions) Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-01-29 19:44 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-01-30 13:25 ` Marin David Condic
2004-01-30 13:29 ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2004-01-30 13:53 ` Marin David Condic
2004-01-30 14:14 ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2004-01-27 19:11 ` Standard Ada Preprocessor Jeffrey Carter
2004-01-27 21:48 ` Alexandre E. Kopilovitch
2004-01-28 16:26 ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-01-29 2:51 ` Alexandre E. Kopilovitch
2004-01-29 11:19 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-01-29 22:02 ` Nature of XML (was: Re: Standard Ada Preprocessor) Alexandre E. Kopilovitch
2004-01-30 8:53 ` Preben Randhol
2004-01-30 17:35 ` Alexandre E. Kopilovitch
2004-01-30 19:13 ` Preben Randhol
2004-01-31 16:04 ` Alexandre E. Kopilovitch
2004-01-31 16:45 ` Preben Randhol
2004-01-30 18:49 ` Nature of XML Georg Bauhaus
2004-01-30 19:16 ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-01-30 22:59 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-01-31 1:26 ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-01-31 13:08 ` Nature of XML (ramblings) Marius Amado Alves
2004-01-31 18:14 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-02-03 1:35 ` Nature of XML Robert C. Leif
2004-02-03 14:23 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-01-27 17:50 ` Standard Ada Preprocessor Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-01-27 20:42 ` Randy Brukardt
2004-01-27 21:41 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-01-28 9:10 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-01-29 17:39 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-01-28 23:21 ` Randy Brukardt
2004-01-29 17:46 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-01-30 3:20 ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-01-28 12:27 ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2004-01-29 17:53 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-01-27 17:33 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-01-27 19:07 ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-01-27 21:42 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-01-27 2:35 ` Randy Brukardt
2004-01-27 21:47 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-01-28 1:19 ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-01-28 12:30 ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2004-01-28 23:35 ` Randy Brukardt
2004-01-29 10:16 ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2004-01-29 17:58 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-01-29 23:19 ` Randy Brukardt
2004-01-27 3:54 ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-01-27 21:53 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-01-28 1:27 ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-01-29 18:02 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-01-28 20:35 ` Pascal Obry
2004-01-29 0:53 ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-01-28 23:41 ` Randy Brukardt
2004-01-29 18:04 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-01-30 2:33 ` Chad R. Meiners
2004-01-30 18:00 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-01-30 22:52 ` Blinking text Chad R. Meiners
2004-02-06 17:14 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-01-27 7:41 ` Standard Ada Preprocessor Pascal Obry
2004-01-27 21:53 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-01-27 0:06 ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-01-27 21:55 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-01-28 1:34 ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-01-30 17:19 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-01-30 19:06 ` Frank J. Lhota
2004-02-10 11:18 ` stephen.freeman9
2004-02-10 17:45 ` Language Design (was Standard Ada Preprocessor) Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
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2004-01-30 19:06 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-01-31 8:42 ` Marin David Condic
2004-02-02 17:28 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
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2004-01-27 22:05 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-01-24 8:17 ` Pascal Obry
2004-01-24 12:44 ` Marin David Condic
2004-01-24 15:39 ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-01-24 16:06 ` Marin David Condic
2004-01-26 11:28 ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2004-01-26 12:07 ` Marin David Condic
2004-01-23 16:38 ` Alexandre E. Kopilovitch
2004-01-23 17:54 ` Jeffrey Carter
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2004-01-23 22:30 ` Randy Brukardt
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2004-01-22 17:27 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-01-23 12:54 ` Marin David Condic
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2004-01-24 13:09 ` Marin David Condic
2004-01-24 19:32 ` tmoran
2004-01-24 20:34 ` Marin David Condic
2004-01-22 17:29 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
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2004-01-21 12:20 ` why ada is so unpopular ? Marin David Condic
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