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From: osinski@valis.cs.nyu.edu (Ed Osinski)
Subject: Re: C++ not OOP? (Was: Language Efficiency
Date: 1995/04/21
Date: 1995-04-21T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3n942v$5tj@cmcl2.NYU.EDU> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 3n0uvi$8jt@atlantis.utmb.edu

In article <3n0uvi$8jt@atlantis.utmb.edu>, Curtis Bass <cbass%intmeds1.utmb@mhost.utmb.edu> writes:
|> pete@borland.com (Pete Becker) wrote:
|> 
|> -- snip --
|> 
|> > 	Suppose you are evaluating a new language, say, C+#, and you 
|> > hear from a reliable source that it is a "pure OOPL". What conclusions 
|> > can you draw about this language that would tell you whether it is 
|> > better suited to your purposes than, say, C+$, which is not a "pure 
|> > OOPL"?
|> 
|> The conclusions that I would draw are:
|> 
|>    #1. All code must be attached to objects.

	- snip -

|>      iv. Since it is a pure OOPL, there is a great
|>          likelihood that the language itself is of
|>          a fairly simple and elegant design. OTOH,
|>          C+$ will probably be a very complex language,
|>          since it supports two different programming
|>          paradigms (structured and OO). Also, with
|>          C+#, I can rest assured that the syntax is
|>          uniform (all procedures will have an object
|>          ID prefix). C+$ would allow me to have SOME
                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|>          procedures WITH an object ID prefix, and some
            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|>          WITHOUT one. This could lead to confusion for
            ^^^^^^^^^^^^

I just want to point out that this is not necessarily true.  
Ada95 is an example where *all* procedure calls, whether they 
are 'methods' or not, look the same.

|>          the maintenance programmers. Also, such code
|>          would represent a rather messy, inelegant
|>          design, which would be less of an option in C+#.

	- snip -

|> 				Curtis Bass
|> 				Software Systems Specialist II
|> 				University of Texas Medical Branch

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  parent reply	other threads:[~1995-04-21  0:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 69+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1995-04-02  0:00 Language Efficiency Robert C. Bethel
1995-04-04  0:00 ` Bob Kitzberger
1995-04-05  0:00   ` Mike Wilson
1995-04-05  0:00     ` David Weller
1995-04-05  0:00     ` Larry Kilgallen
1995-04-04  0:00 ` Harold P Zbiegien
1995-04-04  0:00   ` Kennel
1995-04-05  0:00     ` Ray Toal
1995-04-07  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1995-04-19  0:00       ` Fergus Henderson
1995-04-19  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1995-04-20  0:00           ` Kennel
1995-04-19  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
     [not found]       ` <3m9o9q$igf@stc06.ctd.ornl.gov>
     [not found]         ` <D6ss6z.Gvw@mcshub.dcss.mcmaster.ca>
     [not found]           ` <dewar.797512974@gnat>
1995-04-19  0:00             ` Adam Beneschan
1995-04-19  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
     [not found]             ` <3mbmd5$s06@icebox.mfltd.co.uk>
1995-04-19  0:00               ` Multiple dispatch (was Re: C++ not OOP?) Robert I. Eachus
     [not found]               ` <D6uA77.Lqp@mcshub.dcss.mcmaster.ca>
     [not found]                 ` <3mcfbf$psl@acmez.gatech.edu>
     [not found]                   ` <3mgnkc$e3j@atlantis <3muaif$46u@atlantis.utmb.edu>
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1995-04-19  0:00                         ` C++ not OOP? (Was: Language Efficiency Fernando Mato Mira
1995-04-19  0:00                           ` Curtis Bass
1995-04-19  0:00                             ` David Weller
1995-04-20  0:00                               ` Curtis Bass
1995-04-20  0:00                                 ` David Weller
1995-04-20  0:00                                   ` Robert Dewar
1995-04-21  0:00                                     ` Curtis Bass
1995-04-21  0:00                                       ` Robert Dewar
1995-04-20  0:00                                   ` Curtis Bass
1995-04-21  0:00                                     ` Fernando Mato Mira
1995-04-21  0:00                                     ` Robert Martin
1995-04-21  0:00                                       ` Ed Osinski
1995-04-21  0:00                                 ` Robert Martin
1995-04-20  0:00                         ` Matt Austern
1995-04-21  0:00                         ` Robert Martin
1995-04-21  0:00                           ` Curtis Bass
1995-04-21  0:00                         ` Matt Austern
1995-04-22  0:00                           ` David Weller
1995-04-22  0:00                           ` Robert Martin
1995-04-22  0:00                             ` OOAD courses by Object Mentor cjames
1995-04-21  0:00                         ` Ed Osinski [this message]
1995-04-21  0:00                         ` C++ not OOP? (Was: Language Efficiency Robert Martin
1995-04-21  0:00                           ` Curtis Bass
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     [not found]                       ` <dewar.797608300@gnat>
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     [not found]                                 ` <3n1als$ksi@no-names.nerdc.ufl.edu>
1995-04-19  0:00                                   ` Multiple dispatch (was Re: C++ not OOP?) Fernando Mato Mira
     [not found]                           ` <1995Apr13.152104@di.epfl.ch>
1995-04-21  0:00                             ` C++ not OOP? (Was: Language Efficiency James McKim
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1995-04-21  0:00                         ` Norman H. Cohen
1995-04-21  0:00                           ` Curtis Bass
     [not found]                     ` <1995Apr13.180317.3308@rcmcon.com>
     [not found]                       ` <3muaif$46u@atlantis.utmb.edu>
1995-04-21  0:00                         ` Robert Martin
1995-04-21  0:00                           ` Curtis Bass
1995-04-21  0:00                             ` Robert Dewar
1995-04-22  0:00                             ` Robert Martin
     [not found]                 ` <dewar.797566928@gnat>
     [not found]                   ` <D6vxDG.JKJ@mcshub.dcss.mcmaster.ca>
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     [not found]                         ` <dewar.797729041@gnat>
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1995-04-19  0:00                   ` Paul Graham
1995-04-19  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
1995-04-19  0:00               ` C++ not OOP? (Was: " Harley Davis
1995-04-19  0:00               ` Multiple dispatch (was Re: C++ not OOP?) Kenneth Almquist
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1995-04-20  0:00                   ` C++ not OOP? (Was: Language Efficiency ron house
1995-04-21  0:00                   ` Robert Martin
1995-04-21  0:00                     ` Curtis Bass
1995-04-21  0:00               ` Multiple dispatch (was Re: C++ not OOP?) Robert I. Eachus
1995-04-21  0:00               ` C++ not OOP? (Was: Language Efficiency Norman H. Cohen
1995-04-21  0:00                 ` Fernando Mato Mira
1995-04-21  0:00                   ` Erik Naggum
     [not found]         ` <dewar.797469506@gnat>
     [not found]           ` <1995Apr10.095958@di.epfl.ch>
     [not found]             ` <dewar.797513130@gnat>
     [not found]               ` <1995Apr10.165638@di.epfl.ch>
     [not found]                 ` <D6yGqv.4BG@nntpa.cb.att.com>
1995-04-21  0:00                   ` Fergus Henderson
1995-04-22  0:00                     ` Kenneth Almquist
1995-04-04  0:00   ` Larry Kilgallen
1995-04-06  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1995-04-20  0:00   ` Matt Austern
1995-04-21  0:00   ` Robert I. Eachus
1995-04-05  0:00 ` Mitch Gart
1995-04-05  0:00 ` Lawrence Free/ A.F. Software Services
1995-04-06  0:00 ` Ken Leidner
1995-04-06  0:00   ` Larry Kilgallen
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1995-04-20  0:00 C++ not OOP? (Was: " Wes Groleau
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