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From: dweller@Starbase.NeoSoft.COM (David Weller)
Subject: Re: Language Efficiency
Date: 1995/04/05
Date: 1995-04-05T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3lvbal$dov@Starbase.NeoSoft.COM> (raw)
In-Reply-To: D6K812.7w8@oasis.icl.co.uk

In article <D6K812.7w8@oasis.icl.co.uk>,
Mike Wilson <mrw@oasis.icl.co.uk> wrote:
>> If there were such papers, they would be suspect.  A _language_ is
>> merely a paper definition of syntax and semantics; you must compare
>> language translation _implementations_ (i.e. compilers).  And compiler
>> versions, coding styles, idioms, target platforms, etc.
>
>Yes, but I could generalise and say that some languages such as 'C'
>were designed with efficiency in mind. That's not to say a rotten
>compiler wouldn't produce huge, slow code. There _are_ very efficient
>COBOL compilers around. I've heard ICL's VME COBOL compiler produces
>very efficient code (but I don't have any first-hand knowledge of it).
>

C was designed to be quite efficient for machines in the late 70's.
I'd hardly say it has a lock on the "efficiency" bag anymore.  Then
again, I would never claim that _any_ language has a lead on
efficiency.  Some languages have constructs that can "assist"
efficient compiler implementations (array slicing comes to mind, and
it's not in C), but that doesn't mean the compiler _writer_ has to
choose an efficient implementation.

Bottom line: It's _not_ the language, but the language _can_ give
hints :-)

However, to end the argument once-and-for-all, I did a comparison of
Ada and C++.  I ran both sources on top of a Pentuim system.....

	All it did was make the source listings a little warmer :-)

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  reply	other threads:[~1995-04-05  0:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 68+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1995-04-02  0:00 Language Efficiency Robert C. Bethel
1995-04-04  0:00 ` Bob Kitzberger
1995-04-05  0:00   ` Mike Wilson
1995-04-05  0:00     ` David Weller [this message]
1995-04-05  0:00     ` Larry Kilgallen
1995-04-04  0:00 ` Harold P Zbiegien
1995-04-04  0:00   ` Kennel
1995-04-05  0:00     ` Ray Toal
1995-04-07  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1995-04-19  0:00       ` Fergus Henderson
1995-04-19  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1995-04-20  0:00           ` Kennel
1995-04-19  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
     [not found]       ` <3m9o9q$igf@stc06.ctd.ornl.gov>
     [not found]         ` <D6ss6z.Gvw@mcshub.dcss.mcmaster.ca>
     [not found]           ` <dewar.797512974@gnat>
1995-04-19  0:00             ` Adam Beneschan
1995-04-19  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
     [not found]             ` <3mbmd5$s06@icebox.mfltd.co.uk>
     [not found]               ` <D6uA77.Lqp@mcshub.dcss.mcmaster.ca>
     [not found]                 ` <dewar.797566928@gnat>
     [not found]                   ` <D6vxDG.JKJ@mcshub.dcss.mcmaster.ca>
     [not found]                     ` <dewar.797636710@gnat>
     [not found]                       ` <D6xF22.38H@mcshub.dcss.mcmaster.ca>
     [not found]                         ` <dewar.797729041@gnat>
     [not found]                           ` <3msdop$862@stc06.ctd.ornl.gov>
1995-04-19  0:00                   ` Paul Graham
1995-04-19  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
     [not found]                 ` <3mcfbf$psl@acmez.gatech.edu>
     [not found]                   ` <3mgnkc$e3j@atlantis <3muaif$46u@atlantis.utmb.edu>
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     [not found]                       ` <3n0uvi$8jt@atlantis.utmb.edu>
1995-04-19  0:00                         ` C++ not OOP? (Was: " Fernando Mato Mira
1995-04-19  0:00                           ` Curtis Bass
1995-04-19  0:00                             ` David Weller
1995-04-20  0:00                               ` Curtis Bass
1995-04-20  0:00                                 ` David Weller
1995-04-20  0:00                                   ` Curtis Bass
1995-04-21  0:00                                     ` Robert Martin
1995-04-21  0:00                                       ` Ed Osinski
1995-04-21  0:00                                     ` Fernando Mato Mira
1995-04-20  0:00                                   ` Robert Dewar
1995-04-21  0:00                                     ` Curtis Bass
1995-04-21  0:00                                       ` Robert Dewar
1995-04-21  0:00                                 ` Robert Martin
1995-04-20  0:00                         ` Matt Austern
1995-04-21  0:00                         ` Matt Austern
1995-04-22  0:00                           ` David Weller
1995-04-22  0:00                           ` Robert Martin
1995-04-22  0:00                             ` OOAD courses by Object Mentor cjames
1995-04-21  0:00                         ` C++ not OOP? (Was: Language Efficiency Robert Martin
1995-04-21  0:00                           ` Curtis Bass
1995-04-21  0:00                         ` Ed Osinski
1995-04-21  0:00                         ` Robert Martin
1995-04-21  0:00                           ` Curtis Bass
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     [not found]                       ` <dewar.797608300@gnat>
     [not found]                         ` <3mg45s$5r7@disunms.epfl.ch>
     [not found]                           ` <3mjc8c$630@crcnis3.unl.edu>
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     [not found]                                 ` <3n1als$ksi@no-names.nerdc.ufl.edu>
1995-04-19  0:00                                   ` Multiple dispatch (was Re: C++ not OOP?) Fernando Mato Mira
     [not found]                           ` <1995Apr13.152104@di.epfl.ch>
1995-04-21  0:00                             ` C++ not OOP? (Was: Language Efficiency James McKim
     [not found]                   ` <3mgnkc$e3j@atlantis.utmb.edu>
     [not found]                     ` <1995Apr13.180317.3308@rcmcon.com>
     [not found]                       ` <3muaif$46u@atlantis.utmb.edu>
1995-04-21  0:00                         ` Robert Martin
1995-04-21  0:00                           ` Curtis Bass
1995-04-21  0:00                             ` Robert Dewar
1995-04-22  0:00                             ` Robert Martin
     [not found]                     ` <3mk65q$1kti@watnews1.watson.ibm.com>
     [not found]                       ` <3muavq$46u@atlantis.utmb.edu>
1995-04-21  0:00                         ` Norman H. Cohen
1995-04-21  0:00                           ` Curtis Bass
1995-04-19  0:00               ` Harley Davis
1995-04-19  0:00               ` Multiple dispatch (was Re: C++ not OOP?) Kenneth Almquist
1995-04-19  0:00               ` Robert I. Eachus
     [not found]               ` <MATT.95Apr17124932@physics10.berkeley.edu>
     [not found]                 ` <3mujnl$4u8@atlantis.utmb.edu>
1995-04-20  0:00                   ` C++ not OOP? (Was: Language Efficiency ron house
1995-04-21  0:00                   ` Robert Martin
1995-04-21  0:00                     ` Curtis Bass
1995-04-21  0:00               ` Norman H. Cohen
1995-04-21  0:00                 ` Fernando Mato Mira
1995-04-21  0:00                   ` Erik Naggum
1995-04-21  0:00               ` Multiple dispatch (was Re: C++ not OOP?) Robert I. Eachus
     [not found]         ` <dewar.797469506@gnat>
     [not found]           ` <1995Apr10.095958@di.epfl.ch>
     [not found]             ` <dewar.797513130@gnat>
     [not found]               ` <1995Apr10.165638@di.epfl.ch>
     [not found]                 ` <D6yGqv.4BG@nntpa.cb.att.com>
1995-04-21  0:00                   ` Language Efficiency Fergus Henderson
1995-04-22  0:00                     ` Kenneth Almquist
1995-04-04  0:00   ` Larry Kilgallen
1995-04-06  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1995-04-20  0:00   ` Matt Austern
1995-04-21  0:00   ` Robert I. Eachus
1995-04-05  0:00 ` Lawrence Free/ A.F. Software Services
1995-04-05  0:00 ` Mitch Gart
1995-04-06  0:00 ` Ken Leidner
1995-04-06  0:00   ` Larry Kilgallen
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