* Meridian v4.1.1 ???? @ 1995-01-28 2:34 mannion 1995-01-29 13:08 ` WLawton ` (2 more replies) 0 siblings, 3 replies; 10+ messages in thread From: mannion @ 1995-01-28 2:34 UTC (permalink / raw) I am a computer science student and I am trying to locate Meridian's ADA Compiler and Bamp v4.1.1 This is what they are using in our lab. Any information or help locating these programs would be appreciated. Thanks in advance. Mannion e-mail: mannion@lainet.com ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: Meridian v4.1.1 ???? 1995-01-28 2:34 Meridian v4.1.1 ???? mannion @ 1995-01-29 13:08 ` WLawton 1995-01-30 12:37 ` David Weller 1995-01-29 17:02 ` Michael Feldman 1995-01-29 17:07 ` David Weller 2 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread From: WLawton @ 1995-01-29 13:08 UTC (permalink / raw) The Meridian compiler vendor has been merged with Rational. If you contact the Rational sales department, you may be able to obtain a copy remaining on the shelf. Regards, Wayne R. Lawton WLawton@aol.com ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: Meridian v4.1.1 ???? 1995-01-29 13:08 ` WLawton @ 1995-01-30 12:37 ` David Weller 0 siblings, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread From: David Weller @ 1995-01-30 12:37 UTC (permalink / raw) In article <3gg409$but@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, WLawton <wlawton@aol.com> wrote: >The Meridian compiler vendor has been merged with Rational. > >If you contact the Rational sales department, you may be able to obtain a >copy remaining on the shelf. > Haha! Whie you're at it, ask them when the next upgrade is coming! (But don't be surprised to hear "Never") To make up the loss though, Rational would be glad to sell you acopy of Apex for WindowsNT :-) -- Frustrated with C, C++, Pascal, Fortran? Ada95 _might_ be for you! For all sorts of interesting Ada95 tidbits, run the command: "finger dweller@starbase.neosoft.com | more" (or e-mail with "finger" as subj.) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: Meridian v4.1.1 ???? 1995-01-28 2:34 Meridian v4.1.1 ???? mannion 1995-01-29 13:08 ` WLawton @ 1995-01-29 17:02 ` Michael Feldman 1995-01-30 12:50 ` David Weller 1995-01-29 17:07 ` David Weller 2 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread From: Michael Feldman @ 1995-01-29 17:02 UTC (permalink / raw) In article <3gcaf8$p76@lainet2.lainet.com>, <mannion@lainet.com> wrote: >I am a computer science student and I am trying to locate Meridian's ADA >Compiler and Bamp v4.1.1 >This is what they are using in our lab. Any information or help locating >these programs would be appreciated. Thanks in advance. > Rational/Verdix/Meridian has turned these over to the book publisher, D.C. Heath. Students can buy the Meridian OpenAda compiler from D.C. Heath. Call them at 1-800-334-3284. Tell the operator you are placing a #1-PREFER order. PC versions Five 3 1/2" disks plus documentation (35629-8) Nine 5 1/4" disks plus documentation (34139-8) Mac version 12 disks plus documentation (35630-1) I don't know the exact pricing. It is $49 for bookstores. I think it is $69 plus shipping and tax for individuals. And I think that they ship UPS ground. Might be able to pay extra for faster shipping. <flame on> It is quite reasonable for Rational to have made this move; indeed, Meridian should have ceased being a onesies retailer years ago. However: (1) the turnover to D.C. Heath is one of the world's best-kept secrets. Rational could have made a big deal of this, or at least a small public announcement in the usual places; (2) this arrangement covers only the low-end DOS compiler and the Mac one. The status of the high end OpenAda compilers, including the Windows one, is unclear at best. A recent post to this group quoted someone at Rational to the effect that these products are dead, and cannot be had even on an unsupported basis. I have not checked with Rational pn the correctness of that quote. IMHO, Rational would do us all a favor by putting out an authoritative, quotable statement saying in plain English what is going on. <flame off> Mike Feldman ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: Meridian v4.1.1 ???? 1995-01-29 17:02 ` Michael Feldman @ 1995-01-30 12:50 ` David Weller 0 siblings, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread From: David Weller @ 1995-01-30 12:50 UTC (permalink / raw) In article <3gghmv$cdh@felix.seas.gwu.edu>, Michael Feldman <mfeldman@seas.gwu.edu> wrote: > >IMHO, Rational would do us all a favor by putting out an authoritative, >quotable statement saying in plain English what is going on. > Let me add my comments here. Back in, hmm, 87-88, I recommended Meridian look into the "BlackBeard" editor. A shareware editor with lots of nice features. Well, sure enough, they did, and decided it was worth including into the Open Ada product. I was rather pleased they did this -- it was quite a powerful editor. When I asked a Rational person (at a certain conference not too long ago) about Open Ada, they did indeed tell me about OpenAda going to DC Heath. The implication I had was the DC Heath bought the masters and was going to sell it basically as an "unmaintained" product. Now, I can't really fault Rational for doing this -- the profit margins were probably in the negative range, and OpenAda doesn't really conform to that "upper class" image they're marketing. Still, I agree with Mike that quietly slipping OpenAda under the rug was a very unwise thing to do, especially considering most students use that as their primary compiler at home and at school. Surrendering that market to GNAT is, IMHO, a Good Thing; however, at least that should have been admitted (I guess they couldn't because that would trash DC Heath's planned profit margins, I suppose). OK, I think I understand now why Rational hasn't said anything. :-) -- Frustrated with C, C++, Pascal, Fortran? Ada95 _might_ be for you! For all sorts of interesting Ada95 tidbits, run the command: "finger dweller@starbase.neosoft.com | more" (or e-mail with "finger" as subj.) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: Meridian v4.1.1 ???? 1995-01-28 2:34 Meridian v4.1.1 ???? mannion 1995-01-29 13:08 ` WLawton 1995-01-29 17:02 ` Michael Feldman @ 1995-01-29 17:07 ` David Weller 1995-01-31 0:44 ` Kent Mitchell 1995-02-01 2:58 ` Michael Feldman 2 siblings, 2 replies; 10+ messages in thread From: David Weller @ 1995-01-29 17:07 UTC (permalink / raw) In article <3gcaf8$p76@lainet2.lainet.com>, <mannion@lainet.com> wrote: >I am a computer science student and I am trying to locate Meridian's ADA >Compiler and Bamp v4.1.1 >This is what they are using in our lab. Any information or help locating >these programs would be appreciated. Thanks in advance. > Rational has decided to no longer support Meridian, for all intents and purposes. I believe their intent is to unify the entire Ada world to working exclusively with the GNU Ada compiler, GNAT. Their plan appears to be working perfectly. (Tongue firmly in cheek) -- Frustrated with C, C++, Pascal, Fortran? Ada95 _might_ be for you! For all sorts of interesting Ada95 tidbits, run the command: "finger dweller@starbase.neosoft.com | more" (or e-mail with "finger" as subj.) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: Meridian v4.1.1 ???? 1995-01-29 17:07 ` David Weller @ 1995-01-31 0:44 ` Kent Mitchell 1995-02-01 3:34 ` Michael Feldman 1995-02-01 14:12 ` Dave Retherford 1995-02-01 2:58 ` Michael Feldman 1 sibling, 2 replies; 10+ messages in thread From: Kent Mitchell @ 1995-01-31 0:44 UTC (permalink / raw) David Weller (dweller@Starbase.NeoSoft.COM) wrote: : Rational has decided to no longer support Meridian, for all intents : and purposes. I believe their intent is to unify the entire Ada : world to working exclusively with the GNU Ada compiler, GNAT. Their : plan appears to be working perfectly. : (Tongue firmly in cheek) In case anyone fails to notice Dave's tongue ... Rational continues to support the Meridian compilers. However, we are in the process of unifying our compiler families (we have three) and there is no new development being done based on the Meridian technology. Rational will be producing compilers out of the VADS/Apex product line merger to support various targets such as NT and other Intel and MS targets. -- Kent Mitchell | One possible reason that things aren't Technical Consultant | going according to plan is ..... Rational Software Corporation | that there never *was* a plan! ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: Meridian v4.1.1 ???? 1995-01-31 0:44 ` Kent Mitchell @ 1995-02-01 3:34 ` Michael Feldman 1995-02-01 14:12 ` Dave Retherford 1 sibling, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread From: Michael Feldman @ 1995-02-01 3:34 UTC (permalink / raw) In article <3gk14p$nfi@rational.rational.com>, Kent Mitchell <kdm@rational.com> wrote: >In case anyone fails to notice Dave's tongue ... Rational continues to >support the Meridian compilers. However, we are in the process of unifying >our compiler families (we have three) and there is no new development being >done based on the Meridian technology. Rational will be producing compilers >out of the VADS/Apex product line merger to support various targets such as >NT and other Intel and MS targets. Now I am getting confused, because of the post a few days ago from a person who called Rational looking for a copy of OpenAda/Windows, and was told that there were no copies to be had, that Rational wasn't selling them anymore. If you mean "support" narrowly, in the sense of supporting existing customers, I understand your note. If you mean "selling new copies", then the different folks at Rational ought to agree on whether they are or they aren't. This cries out for an authoritative post from someone at Rational. Kent, if this post of yours _is_ authoritative, then somebody should tell the folks who answer the phones. Mike Feldman ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: Meridian v4.1.1 ???? 1995-01-31 0:44 ` Kent Mitchell 1995-02-01 3:34 ` Michael Feldman @ 1995-02-01 14:12 ` Dave Retherford 1 sibling, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread From: Dave Retherford @ 1995-02-01 14:12 UTC (permalink / raw) In article <3gk14p$nfi@rational.rational.com>, Kent Mitchell <kdm@rational.com> wrote: > David Weller (dweller@Starbase.NeoSoft.COM) wrote: > : Rational has decided to no longer support Meridian, for all intents > : and purposes. I believe their intent is to unify the entire Ada > : world to working exclusively with the GNU Ada compiler, GNAT. Their > : plan appears to be working perfectly. > > : (Tongue firmly in cheek) > > In case anyone fails to notice Dave's tongue ... Rational continues to > support the Meridian compilers. However, we are in the process of unifying > our compiler families (we have three) and there is no new development being > done based on the Meridian technology. Rational will be producing compilers > out of the VADS/Apex product line merger to support various targets such as > NT and other Intel and MS targets. > So, I guess here that 'unify our compiler families' is Rationalese for bring the compilers up to the same cost level as VADS/Apex seats. Sigh...so much for the poor Ada programmer at home. GNAT sure keeps looking more and more like a permanet cost effective solution :-). There goes my Meridian. -- _________________________________________________________________________ | Dave Retherford | "Remember this: While somebody is | | Daver@Neosoft.com or: | is down there kissin' your butt, | | Dave_Retherford@hso.link.com | they could just as easily be bitin' | | (work) | it too." -- Forestt Gump | |_________________________________|_______________________________________| ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: Meridian v4.1.1 ???? 1995-01-29 17:07 ` David Weller 1995-01-31 0:44 ` Kent Mitchell @ 1995-02-01 2:58 ` Michael Feldman 1 sibling, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread From: Michael Feldman @ 1995-02-01 2:58 UTC (permalink / raw) In article <3ggi06$o5g@Starbase.NeoSoft.COM>, David Weller <dweller@Starbase.NeoSoft.COM> wrote: >Rational has decided to no longer support Meridian, for all intents >and purposes. I believe their intent is to unify the entire Ada >world to working exclusively with the GNU Ada compiler, GNAT. Their >plan appears to be working perfectly. >(Tongue firmly in cheek) I rather think this is a good example of the Accursed Law of Unintended Consequences. On the other hand, this will surely be the result, more surely than if they had planned it that way. BTW - How is RR Software coming with that Janus Ada 95 of theirs. Haven't used it since GNAT/DOS came out, but at the time it showed some promise. Mike Feldman ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
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