DOD-STD-2167a

DOD-STD-2167a

[Spencer Laird]

Is there a copy of DOD-STD-2167A or its replacement online somewhere?  I have
found the HTML version.  I need a Microsoft Word or Postscrift version.  Thanks
Spencer
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Re: DOD-STD-2167a

[David O'Brien]

Spencer Laird (spencerl@cts.com) wrote:
: Is there a copy of DOD-STD-2167A or its replacement online somewhere?  I have
: found the HTML version.  I need a Microsoft Word or Postscrift version.  Thanks

Poking around, I found ajpo.sei.cmu.edu:/public/mil-std-sdd/*
The README file said the "Miliary Standard Defense System Software
Development release" replaces DOD-STD-2167A, DOD-STD-7935A, and
DOD-STD-1703NS.  It comes in postscript and MS-Word for Windows 2.0.

-- David O'Brien	(dobrien@seas.gwu.edu)

Re: DOD-STD-2167a

[David Weller]

In article <3frvbi$re5@cronkite.seas.gwu.edu>,
David O'Brien <dobrien@seas.gwu.edu> wrote:
>Spencer Laird (spencerl@cts.com) wrote:
>: Is there a copy of DOD-STD-2167A or its replacement online somewhere?  I have
>: found the HTML version.  I need a Microsoft Word or Postscrift version.  Thanks
>
>Poking around, I found ajpo.sei.cmu.edu:/public/mil-std-sdd/*
>The README file said the "Miliary Standard Defense System Software
>Development release" replaces DOD-STD-2167A, DOD-STD-7935A, and
>DOD-STD-1703NS.  It comes in postscript and MS-Word for Windows 2.0.
>

I put that on the AJPO server many months ago.  The correct document,
Mil-Std-498, is available at: diamond.spawar.navy.mil

Look under MIL498


I don't know what the format is of the final document.

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Re: DOD-STD-2167a

[Garlington KE]

David O'Brien (dobrien@seas.gwu.edu) wrote:

: Poking around, I found ajpo.sei.cmu.edu:/public/mil-std-sdd/*
: The README file said the "Miliary Standard Defense System Software
: Development release" replaces DOD-STD-2167A, DOD-STD-7935A, and
: DOD-STD-1703NS.  It comes in postscript and MS-Word for Windows 2.0.

Beware! There is not an _official_ replacement for any of these standards, yet!
MIL-STD-SDD was _intended_ to replace these, but was sidetracked by the Perry
memo. There is now an effort to make MIL-STD-SDD a commercial standard, at
which time it _may_ replace the current standards.

: -- David O'Brien	(dobrien@seas.gwu.edu)

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Re: DOD-STD-2167a

[Jack Sheriff]

In article <3g0i9d$6hj@cliffy.lfwc.lockheed.com> l107353@cliffy.lfwc.lockheed.com (Garlington KE) writes:
>David O'Brien (dobrien@seas.gwu.edu) wrote:

>: Poking around, I found ajpo.sei.cmu.edu:/public/mil-std-sdd/*
>: The README file said the "Miliary Standard Defense System Software
>: Development release" replaces DOD-STD-2167A, DOD-STD-7935A, and
>: DOD-STD-1703NS.  It comes in postscript and MS-Word for Windows 2.0.

>Beware! There is not an _official_ replacement for any of these standards, yet!
>MIL-STD-SDD was _intended_ to replace these, but was sidetracked by the Perry
>memo. There is now an effort to make MIL-STD-SDD a commercial standard, at
>which time it _may_ replace the current standards.

This is mostly right, but may be a little misleading.

The Perry memo requires a program office to get a waiver in order to include a 
MIL or DOD standard in a contract.  I have heard that the Air Force and 
the Navy are both processing service-wide waivers for MIL-STD-498 (the 
replacement for the three standards mentioned above).  Once these service-wide 
waivers are in place, any Air Force or Navy office will be able to use the new 
standard without needing to get an individual waiver.

MIL-STD-498 is supposed to have a lifetime of two years.  At the end of the 
two years, it is supposed to be replaced by a commercial standard.  My 
understanding is that it will be an IEEE standard and will look remarkably 
like MIL-STD-498.

Jack Sheriff

Re: DOD-STD-2167a

[Oliver Kellogg]

> >: Poking around, I found ajpo.sei.cmu.edu:/public/mil-std-sdd/*
> >: The README file said the "Miliary Standard Defense System Software
> >: Development release" replaces DOD-STD-2167A, DOD-STD-7935A, and
> >: DOD-STD-1703NS.  It comes in postscript and MS-Word for Windows 2.0.

I went there too (ajpo ftp), but it's a draft dated November 1992.
Does anyone know if and where there's a newer version available
electronically?
Thanks.

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Re: DOD-STD-2167a

[Howard Verne]

I received a "released" copy of MIL-STD-498 in the mail today.
It is my understanding that it was approved for approx. 2 years
until the IEEE/EIA commercial version is released.
 
verne@pc.gcs.litton.com

Re: DOD-STD-2167a

[Oliver Kellogg]

Howard Verne (verneh@delphi.com) wrote:
> I received a "released" copy of MIL-STD-498 in the mail today.
> It is my understanding that it was approved for approx. 2 years
> until the IEEE/EIA commercial version is released.

What must I do to receive such a copy?
Thanks for the information.
--Oliver

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Re: DOD-STD-2167a

[Scott . Smart CDR]

In article <BQ8ZKAn.verneh@delphi.com>, Howard Verne <verneh@delphi.com> wrote:
>I received a "released" copy of MIL-STD-498 in the mail today.
>It is my understanding that it was approved for approx. 2 years
>until the IEEE/EIA commercial version is released.
> 
>verne@pc.gcs.litton.com

FWIW, we recently received direction (believe from Sec Nav) that there
was no commercial equivalent standard to 2167A that would produce
software with the requried reliability.  Therefore, 2167A (and I suppose
498) are approved for specifying in mission critical software contracts.

s smart


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Electronic Availability of MIL-STD-498 (wasDOD-STD-2167A)

[Doc Elliott]

In article <3g693a$5sb@salyko.cube.net>, okellogg@cube.net says...
>
>> >: Poking around, I found ajpo.sei.cmu.edu:/public/mil-std-sdd/*
>> >: The README file said the "Miliary Standard Defense System Software
>> >: Development release" replaces DOD-STD-2167A, DOD-STD-7935A, and
>> >: DOD-STD-1703NS.  It comes in postscript and MS-Word for Windows 
2.0.
>
>I went there too (ajpo ftp), but it's a draft dated November 1992.
>Does anyone know if and where there's a newer version available
>electronically?
>Thanks.

I can't find the original post now, but it was posted here on 
comp.lang.ada.  The poster had a FTP host where one could get the 
MIL-STD-498 document along with all the Data Item Descriptions.  I 
retrieved the whole shmear, and I have it if anyone wants it.  It is in 
WordPerfect 5.1 format.  The whole thing (zipped) is 597777 bytes.  The 
POC given in the README document is LCDR Dana S. Majors, (703)602-9188.  
Obviously, this is a Navy document.  Email me, and I can UUencode post it 
here on cla, or give you my FTP host address.

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Re: Electronic Availability of MIL-STD-498 (wasDOD-STD-2167A)

[Brad Balfour]

In article <3gatht$89q@michp1.redstone.army.mil>,
helliott@losat.redstone.army.mil (Doc Elliott) wrote:

> I can't find the original post now, but it was posted here on 
> comp.lang.ada.  The poster had a FTP host where one could get the 
> MIL-STD-498 document along with all the Data Item Descriptions.  I 
> retrieved the whole shmear, and I have it if anyone wants it.  It is in 
> WordPerfect 5.1 format.  The whole thing (zipped) is 597777 bytes.  The 
> POC given in the README document is LCDR Dana S. Majors, (703)602-9188.  
> Obviously, this is a Navy document.  Email me, and I can UUencode post it 
> here on cla, or give you my FTP host address.

The following is from the ACM SIGAda WWW Server
<http://info.acm.org/sigada/> which has a link to the electronic version
of MIL-STD-498:

        MIL-STD 498 Available

An electronic copy of MIL-STD 498 is available.
<ftp://diamond.spawar.navy.mil/MIL498/498-zip.exe> Click here
<ftp://diamond.spawar.navy.mil/MIL498/readme.txt> to see the readme file.
The document was produced using WordPerfect 5.1 for Dos. For further
assistance contact: LCDR Dana S. Majors at (703)602-91


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> reflect those of my employer or anyone else unless
> specifically stated as such.

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Re: DOD-STD-2167a

[Doc Elliott]

In article <49686@suned1.Nswses.Navy.MIL>, sws@mercury.nswses.navy.mil 
says...
>
>In article <BQ8ZKAn.verneh@delphi.com>, Howard Verne <verneh@delphi.com> 
wrote:
>>I received a "released" copy of MIL-STD-498 in the mail today.
>>It is my understanding that it was approved for approx. 2 years
>>until the IEEE/EIA commercial version is released.
>> 
>>verne@pc.gcs.litton.com
>
>FWIW, we recently received direction (believe from Sec Nav) that there
>was no commercial equivalent standard to 2167A that would produce
>software with the requried reliability.  Therefore, 2167A (and I suppose
>498) are approved for specifying in mission critical software contracts.
>
>s smart

Please, Please, Please post or email me the text of the "direction" you 
received regarding this.  I need to know who wrote the direction, when, 
and to whom it was directed.  We were told verbally, in the Army 
Acquisition Streamlining RoadShow, yesterday, by Mr. Gilbert Decker, 
Asst Sec of Army for RDA, that there would be no use of 2167A or 498 in 
procurement documents by the military.  It would sure be nice to a) prove 
him wrong; b) show that other branches of the military are not throwing 
the entire bathroom out with the baby and the bathwater.


Doc Elliott
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Re: DOD-STD-2167a

[Theodore E. Dennison]

spencerl@cts.com (Spencer Laird) wrote:
>
> Is there a copy of DOD-STD-2167A or its replacement online somewhere?  I have
> found the HTML version.  I need a Microsoft Word or Postscrift version.  Thanks

I believe most HTML viewers are capable of saving HTML documents as
Postscript documents.

T.E.D.