* DOD-STD-2167a
@ 1995-01-18 3:36 Spencer Laird
1995-01-21 21:46 ` DOD-STD-2167a David O'Brien
1995-01-24 17:51 ` DOD-STD-2167a Theodore E. Dennison
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From: Spencer Laird @ 1995-01-18 3:36 UTC (permalink / raw)
Is there a copy of DOD-STD-2167A or its replacement online somewhere? I have
found the HTML version. I need a Microsoft Word or Postscrift version. Thanks
Spencer
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* Re: DOD-STD-2167a
1995-01-18 3:36 DOD-STD-2167a Spencer Laird
@ 1995-01-21 21:46 ` David O'Brien
1995-01-22 18:29 ` DOD-STD-2167a David Weller
` (4 more replies)
1995-01-24 17:51 ` DOD-STD-2167a Theodore E. Dennison
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From: David O'Brien @ 1995-01-21 21:46 UTC (permalink / raw)
Spencer Laird (spencerl@cts.com) wrote:
: Is there a copy of DOD-STD-2167A or its replacement online somewhere? I have
: found the HTML version. I need a Microsoft Word or Postscrift version. Thanks
Poking around, I found ajpo.sei.cmu.edu:/public/mil-std-sdd/*
The README file said the "Miliary Standard Defense System Software
Development release" replaces DOD-STD-2167A, DOD-STD-7935A, and
DOD-STD-1703NS. It comes in postscript and MS-Word for Windows 2.0.
-- David O'Brien (dobrien@seas.gwu.edu)
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* Re: DOD-STD-2167a
1995-01-21 21:46 ` DOD-STD-2167a David O'Brien
@ 1995-01-22 18:29 ` David Weller
1995-01-23 15:34 ` DOD-STD-2167a Garlington KE
` (3 subsequent siblings)
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From: David Weller @ 1995-01-22 18:29 UTC (permalink / raw)
In article <3frvbi$re5@cronkite.seas.gwu.edu>,
David O'Brien <dobrien@seas.gwu.edu> wrote:
>Spencer Laird (spencerl@cts.com) wrote:
>: Is there a copy of DOD-STD-2167A or its replacement online somewhere? I have
>: found the HTML version. I need a Microsoft Word or Postscrift version. Thanks
>
>Poking around, I found ajpo.sei.cmu.edu:/public/mil-std-sdd/*
>The README file said the "Miliary Standard Defense System Software
>Development release" replaces DOD-STD-2167A, DOD-STD-7935A, and
>DOD-STD-1703NS. It comes in postscript and MS-Word for Windows 2.0.
>
I put that on the AJPO server many months ago. The correct document,
Mil-Std-498, is available at: diamond.spawar.navy.mil
Look under MIL498
I don't know what the format is of the final document.
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* Re: DOD-STD-2167a
1995-01-21 21:46 ` DOD-STD-2167a David O'Brien
1995-01-22 18:29 ` DOD-STD-2167a David Weller
@ 1995-01-23 15:34 ` Garlington KE
1995-01-24 14:30 ` DOD-STD-2167a Jack Sheriff
1995-01-24 5:25 ` DOD-STD-2167a Howard Verne
` (2 subsequent siblings)
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From: Garlington KE @ 1995-01-23 15:34 UTC (permalink / raw)
David O'Brien (dobrien@seas.gwu.edu) wrote:
: Poking around, I found ajpo.sei.cmu.edu:/public/mil-std-sdd/*
: The README file said the "Miliary Standard Defense System Software
: Development release" replaces DOD-STD-2167A, DOD-STD-7935A, and
: DOD-STD-1703NS. It comes in postscript and MS-Word for Windows 2.0.
Beware! There is not an _official_ replacement for any of these standards, yet!
MIL-STD-SDD was _intended_ to replace these, but was sidetracked by the Perry
memo. There is now an effort to make MIL-STD-SDD a commercial standard, at
which time it _may_ replace the current standards.
: -- David O'Brien (dobrien@seas.gwu.edu)
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F-22 Computer Resources Lockheed Fort Worth Co.
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* Re: DOD-STD-2167a
1995-01-21 21:46 ` DOD-STD-2167a David O'Brien
1995-01-22 18:29 ` DOD-STD-2167a David Weller
1995-01-23 15:34 ` DOD-STD-2167a Garlington KE
@ 1995-01-24 5:25 ` Howard Verne
1995-01-26 2:03 ` DOD-STD-2167a Oliver Kellogg
1995-01-30 16:11 ` DOD-STD-2167a Scott . Smart CDR
[not found] ` <3 <3g693a$5sb@salyko.cube.net>
[not found] ` <B <49686@suned1.Nswses.Navy.MIL>
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From: Howard Verne @ 1995-01-24 5:25 UTC (permalink / raw)
I received a "released" copy of MIL-STD-498 in the mail today.
It is my understanding that it was approved for approx. 2 years
until the IEEE/EIA commercial version is released.
verne@pc.gcs.litton.com
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* Re: DOD-STD-2167a
1995-01-23 15:34 ` DOD-STD-2167a Garlington KE
@ 1995-01-24 14:30 ` Jack Sheriff
1995-01-25 19:34 ` DOD-STD-2167a Oliver Kellogg
0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread
From: Jack Sheriff @ 1995-01-24 14:30 UTC (permalink / raw)
In article <3g0i9d$6hj@cliffy.lfwc.lockheed.com> l107353@cliffy.lfwc.lockheed.com (Garlington KE) writes:
>David O'Brien (dobrien@seas.gwu.edu) wrote:
>: Poking around, I found ajpo.sei.cmu.edu:/public/mil-std-sdd/*
>: The README file said the "Miliary Standard Defense System Software
>: Development release" replaces DOD-STD-2167A, DOD-STD-7935A, and
>: DOD-STD-1703NS. It comes in postscript and MS-Word for Windows 2.0.
>Beware! There is not an _official_ replacement for any of these standards, yet!
>MIL-STD-SDD was _intended_ to replace these, but was sidetracked by the Perry
>memo. There is now an effort to make MIL-STD-SDD a commercial standard, at
>which time it _may_ replace the current standards.
This is mostly right, but may be a little misleading.
The Perry memo requires a program office to get a waiver in order to include a
MIL or DOD standard in a contract. I have heard that the Air Force and
the Navy are both processing service-wide waivers for MIL-STD-498 (the
replacement for the three standards mentioned above). Once these service-wide
waivers are in place, any Air Force or Navy office will be able to use the new
standard without needing to get an individual waiver.
MIL-STD-498 is supposed to have a lifetime of two years. At the end of the
two years, it is supposed to be replaced by a commercial standard. My
understanding is that it will be an IEEE standard and will look remarkably
like MIL-STD-498.
Jack Sheriff
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* Re: DOD-STD-2167a
1995-01-18 3:36 DOD-STD-2167a Spencer Laird
1995-01-21 21:46 ` DOD-STD-2167a David O'Brien
@ 1995-01-24 17:51 ` Theodore E. Dennison
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From: Theodore E. Dennison @ 1995-01-24 17:51 UTC (permalink / raw)
spencerl@cts.com (Spencer Laird) wrote:
>
> Is there a copy of DOD-STD-2167A or its replacement online somewhere? I have
> found the HTML version. I need a Microsoft Word or Postscrift version. Thanks
I believe most HTML viewers are capable of saving HTML documents as
Postscript documents.
T.E.D.
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* Re: DOD-STD-2167a
1995-01-24 14:30 ` DOD-STD-2167a Jack Sheriff
@ 1995-01-25 19:34 ` Oliver Kellogg
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From: Oliver Kellogg @ 1995-01-25 19:34 UTC (permalink / raw)
> >: Poking around, I found ajpo.sei.cmu.edu:/public/mil-std-sdd/*
> >: The README file said the "Miliary Standard Defense System Software
> >: Development release" replaces DOD-STD-2167A, DOD-STD-7935A, and
> >: DOD-STD-1703NS. It comes in postscript and MS-Word for Windows 2.0.
I went there too (ajpo ftp), but it's a draft dated November 1992.
Does anyone know if and where there's a newer version available
electronically?
Thanks.
/----------------------------------------------------------------\
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| e-mail: okellogg@cube.net -- + -- Dept. RST13, P.O.Box 801169 |
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* Re: DOD-STD-2167a
1995-01-24 5:25 ` DOD-STD-2167a Howard Verne
@ 1995-01-26 2:03 ` Oliver Kellogg
1995-01-30 16:11 ` DOD-STD-2167a Scott . Smart CDR
1 sibling, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread
From: Oliver Kellogg @ 1995-01-26 2:03 UTC (permalink / raw)
Howard Verne (verneh@delphi.com) wrote:
> I received a "released" copy of MIL-STD-498 in the mail today.
> It is my understanding that it was approved for approx. 2 years
> until the IEEE/EIA commercial version is released.
What must I do to receive such a copy?
Thanks for the information.
--Oliver
/----------------------------------------------------------------\
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| e-mail: okellogg@cube.net -- + -- Dept. RST13, P.O.Box 801169 |
\ fax: (+49) 89 607-23732 | D-81663 Munich, Germany /
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* Electronic Availability of MIL-STD-498 (wasDOD-STD-2167A)
[not found] ` <3 <3g693a$5sb@salyko.cube.net>
@ 1995-01-27 12:36 ` Doc Elliott
1995-01-29 14:32 ` Brad Balfour
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From: Doc Elliott @ 1995-01-27 12:36 UTC (permalink / raw)
In article <3g693a$5sb@salyko.cube.net>, okellogg@cube.net says...
>
>> >: Poking around, I found ajpo.sei.cmu.edu:/public/mil-std-sdd/*
>> >: The README file said the "Miliary Standard Defense System Software
>> >: Development release" replaces DOD-STD-2167A, DOD-STD-7935A, and
>> >: DOD-STD-1703NS. It comes in postscript and MS-Word for Windows
2.0.
>
>I went there too (ajpo ftp), but it's a draft dated November 1992.
>Does anyone know if and where there's a newer version available
>electronically?
>Thanks.
I can't find the original post now, but it was posted here on
comp.lang.ada. The poster had a FTP host where one could get the
MIL-STD-498 document along with all the Data Item Descriptions. I
retrieved the whole shmear, and I have it if anyone wants it. It is in
WordPerfect 5.1 format. The whole thing (zipped) is 597777 bytes. The
POC given in the README document is LCDR Dana S. Majors, (703)602-9188.
Obviously, this is a Navy document. Email me, and I can UUencode post it
here on cla, or give you my FTP host address.
Doc Elliott
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reflect those of my employer or anyone else unless
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* Re: Electronic Availability of MIL-STD-498 (wasDOD-STD-2167A)
1995-01-27 12:36 ` Electronic Availability of MIL-STD-498 (wasDOD-STD-2167A) Doc Elliott
@ 1995-01-29 14:32 ` Brad Balfour
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From: Brad Balfour @ 1995-01-29 14:32 UTC (permalink / raw)
In article <3gatht$89q@michp1.redstone.army.mil>,
helliott@losat.redstone.army.mil (Doc Elliott) wrote:
> I can't find the original post now, but it was posted here on
> comp.lang.ada. The poster had a FTP host where one could get the
> MIL-STD-498 document along with all the Data Item Descriptions. I
> retrieved the whole shmear, and I have it if anyone wants it. It is in
> WordPerfect 5.1 format. The whole thing (zipped) is 597777 bytes. The
> POC given in the README document is LCDR Dana S. Majors, (703)602-9188.
> Obviously, this is a Navy document. Email me, and I can UUencode post it
> here on cla, or give you my FTP host address.
The following is from the ACM SIGAda WWW Server
<http://info.acm.org/sigada/> which has a link to the electronic version
of MIL-STD-498:
MIL-STD 498 Available
An electronic copy of MIL-STD 498 is available.
<ftp://diamond.spawar.navy.mil/MIL498/498-zip.exe> Click here
<ftp://diamond.spawar.navy.mil/MIL498/readme.txt> to see the readme file.
The document was produced using WordPerfect 5.1 for Dos. For further
assistance contact: LCDR Dana S. Majors at (703)602-91
> Doc Elliott
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> reflect those of my employer or anyone else unless
> specifically stated as such.
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* Re: DOD-STD-2167a
1995-01-24 5:25 ` DOD-STD-2167a Howard Verne
1995-01-26 2:03 ` DOD-STD-2167a Oliver Kellogg
@ 1995-01-30 16:11 ` Scott . Smart CDR
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From: Scott . Smart CDR @ 1995-01-30 16:11 UTC (permalink / raw)
In article <BQ8ZKAn.verneh@delphi.com>, Howard Verne <verneh@delphi.com> wrote:
>I received a "released" copy of MIL-STD-498 in the mail today.
>It is my understanding that it was approved for approx. 2 years
>until the IEEE/EIA commercial version is released.
>
>verne@pc.gcs.litton.com
FWIW, we recently received direction (believe from Sec Nav) that there
was no commercial equivalent standard to 2167A that would produce
software with the requried reliability. Therefore, 2167A (and I suppose
498) are approved for specifying in mission critical software contracts.
s smart
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* Re: DOD-STD-2167a
[not found] ` <B <49686@suned1.Nswses.Navy.MIL>
@ 1995-02-08 20:17 ` Doc Elliott
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From: Doc Elliott @ 1995-02-08 20:17 UTC (permalink / raw)
In article <49686@suned1.Nswses.Navy.MIL>, sws@mercury.nswses.navy.mil
says...
>
>In article <BQ8ZKAn.verneh@delphi.com>, Howard Verne <verneh@delphi.com>
wrote:
>>I received a "released" copy of MIL-STD-498 in the mail today.
>>It is my understanding that it was approved for approx. 2 years
>>until the IEEE/EIA commercial version is released.
>>
>>verne@pc.gcs.litton.com
>
>FWIW, we recently received direction (believe from Sec Nav) that there
>was no commercial equivalent standard to 2167A that would produce
>software with the requried reliability. Therefore, 2167A (and I suppose
>498) are approved for specifying in mission critical software contracts.
>
>s smart
Please, Please, Please post or email me the text of the "direction" you
received regarding this. I need to know who wrote the direction, when,
and to whom it was directed. We were told verbally, in the Army
Acquisition Streamlining RoadShow, yesterday, by Mr. Gilbert Decker,
Asst Sec of Army for RDA, that there would be no use of 2167A or 498 in
procurement documents by the military. It would sure be nice to a) prove
him wrong; b) show that other branches of the military are not throwing
the entire bathroom out with the baby and the bathwater.
Doc Elliott
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