From: John Sullivan <john@y.ddraig.goch.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Programming language vote - results
Date: 1997/10/16
Date: 1997-10-16T00:00:00+00:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <3gIvKGAfUmR0EwEl@yddraiggoch.demon.co.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 34466EB4.3381@dynamite.com.au
In article <34466EB4.3381@dynamite.com.au>, Alan E & Carmel J Brain
<aebrain@dynamite.com.au> writes
>D'Arcy J.M. Cain wrote:
>>
>> Alan E & Carmel J Brain wrote:
>> > Every time someone says how terse and powerful C is, I think of APL.
>>
>> My favourite quote about APL - "I refuse to use any computer language
>> in which the proponents shove snippets of code under each other's
>> nose saying 'I bet you can't guess what this does!'"
>
>Trouble is, this is true. I wrote a security system that took a user
>input, used it to write a program which when executed wrote another
>program that modified the first program, exited, and the first program
>then gave access to certain data. In 2 lines. Due to hardware
>limitations, this 2-liner was impossible to make "hidden" so I made it
>Cryptic, and self-modifying. 2 months later, even I couldn't figure out
>exactly what it did.
>
You can do exactly the same thing in most other languages. I could write
a book about the Fortran I've had to debug that was impenetrable. Stuff
from reputable suppliers that came undebugged, with so many computed
goto's that the diagrams I drew to try to see what was going on
resembled spaghetti.
So, why didn't you document your code when you wrote it? Don't blame APL
for your own inadequacies.
John Sullivan
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1997-10-11 0:00 ` Programming language vote - results Gary L. Scott
1997-10-12 0:00 ` Jack Rudd
1997-10-13 0:00 ` Gary L. Scott
1997-10-13 0:00 ` safetran
1997-10-13 0:00 ` FRS DES
1997-10-13 0:00 ` Jack Rudd
1997-10-14 0:00 ` Philip Brashear
1997-10-14 0:00 ` Gary L. Scott
1997-10-13 0:00 ` Robert Munck
1997-10-13 0:00 ` Jack Rudd
1997-10-13 0:00 ` Gary L. Scott
[not found] ` <3442B745.5352@lmco.com>
1997-10-15 0:00 ` Gary L. Scott
1997-10-16 0:00 ` James Giles
1997-10-16 0:00 ` Andrew Haley
1997-10-13 0:00 ` David Ness
1997-10-14 0:00 ` Randy MacDonald
1997-10-14 0:00 ` Jan Karman
1997-10-15 0:00 ` Alan E & Carmel J Brain
1997-10-15 0:00 ` D'Arcy J.M. Cain
1997-10-15 0:00 ` Mark Stephen
1997-10-17 0:00 ` Randy MacDonald
1997-10-15 0:00 ` FRS DES
1997-10-16 0:00 ` Randy MacDonald
1997-10-16 0:00 ` Alan E & Carmel J Brain
1997-10-16 0:00 ` FRS DES
1997-10-17 0:00 ` Jerry van Dijk
1997-10-16 0:00 ` John Sullivan [this message]
1997-10-17 0:00 ` Randy MacDonald
1997-10-17 0:00 ` Alan E & Carmel J Brain
1997-10-17 0:00 ` John Sullivan
1997-10-17 0:00 ` Randy MacDonald
1997-10-20 0:00 ` Alan E & Carmel J Brain
1997-10-20 0:00 ` Lawrence Kirby
1997-10-20 0:00 ` Kaz
1997-10-21 0:00 ` Alan E & Carmel J Brain
1997-10-23 0:00 ` Ada Readability (Re: Programming language vote - results) Ray Blaak
1997-10-21 0:00 ` Programming language vote - results Alan E & Carmel J Brain
1997-10-20 0:00 ` FRS DES
1997-10-21 0:00 ` Alan E & Carmel J Brain
1997-10-21 0:00 ` Randy MacDonald
1997-10-22 0:00 ` Don Guinn
[not found] ` <01bce1bf$5c2baaa0$95b66bcf@dkelly.ark.com>
1997-10-29 0:00 ` FRS DES
1997-10-29 0:00 ` Don Guinn
1997-10-29 0:00 ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
1997-10-31 0:00 ` Documenting Code (was:Programming language vote - results) Alan E & Carmel J Brain
1997-10-30 0:00 ` Charles Lin
1997-10-30 0:00 ` James L. Ryan
1997-10-31 0:00 ` Robert Bernecky
1997-10-31 0:00 ` Robert Bernecky
1997-11-01 0:00 ` Randy MacDonald
1997-11-01 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-11-03 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-10-29 0:00 ` Programming language vote - results Randy MacDonald
1997-10-25 0:00 ` Alan E & Carmel J Brain
1997-10-26 0:00 ` functionality of Java (was Re: Programming language vote - results) Randy MacDonald
1997-10-23 0:00 ` Programming language vote - results Jack Rudd
1997-10-25 0:00 ` Alan E & Carmel J Brain
1997-10-25 0:00 ` Kaz
1997-10-26 0:00 ` FRS DES
1997-10-27 0:00 ` Robert Bernecky
1997-10-27 0:00 ` APL argument W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-10-28 0:00 ` Randy MacDonald
1997-10-28 0:00 ` Programming language vote - results Jan Karman
1997-10-28 0:00 ` Robert Bernecky
1997-10-28 0:00 ` James L. Ryan
1997-10-29 0:00 ` Robert Bernecky
[not found] ` <bosworth-2910972044300001@access59.accsyst.com>
1997-10-30 0:00 ` Robert Bernecky
1997-10-30 0:00 ` James L. Ryan
1997-10-31 0:00 ` Robert Bernecky
1997-10-31 0:00 ` James L. Ryan
1997-10-29 0:00 ` Jack Rudd
1997-10-25 0:00 ` Peter Seebach
1997-11-18 0:00 ` Ingemar Ragnemalm
1997-11-18 0:00 ` firewind
1997-11-18 0:00 ` Kevin Swan
1997-11-19 0:00 ` Alan E & Carmel J Brain
1997-11-18 0:00 ` Larry Elmore
1997-11-20 0:00 ` firewind
1997-11-19 0:00 ` Mike Smith
1997-11-19 0:00 ` Matt
1997-11-20 0:00 ` firewind
[not found] ` <3474C71B.536B12F6@cgocable.net>
1997-11-21 0:00 ` CVigue
1997-11-23 0:00 ` Lawrence Kirby
1997-11-24 0:00 ` FRS DES
1997-11-20 0:00 ` Coding for Obscurity Alan E & Carmel J Brain
1997-11-20 0:00 ` Stephan Wilms
1997-11-21 0:00 ` Jos A. Horsmeier
1997-11-23 0:00 ` Al Christians
1997-11-23 0:00 ` Alex Krol
1997-11-24 0:00 ` Jim Johnson
1997-11-24 0:00 ` Mark Wilden
1997-11-26 0:00 ` Robert S. White
1997-11-26 0:00 ` Mark Wilden
1997-11-26 0:00 ` Miguel Carrasquer Vidal
1997-12-01 0:00 ` ISONE
1997-12-01 0:00 ` ISONE
1997-11-26 0:00 ` Leon Jones
1997-11-26 0:00 ` Ron Natalie
1997-11-27 0:00 ` Joerg Rodemann
1997-11-26 0:00 ` Lawrence Kirby
1997-11-27 0:00 ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1997-11-24 0:00 ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1997-11-24 0:00 ` Samuel T. Harris
1997-11-24 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-11-25 0:00 ` Samuel T. Harris
1997-11-24 0:00 ` Matt
1997-11-24 0:00 ` Ed Falis
1997-11-20 0:00 ` firewind
1997-11-20 0:00 ` Jos A. Horsmeier
1997-11-20 0:00 ` Programming language vote - results Andy Knight
1997-11-20 0:00 ` firewind
1997-11-20 0:00 ` Terry Richards
1997-11-20 0:00 ` Andy Knight
1997-11-23 0:00 ` Alex Krol
1997-11-25 0:00 ` William Tanksley
1997-11-26 0:00 ` Ron Natalie
1997-11-27 0:00 ` William Tanksley
1997-11-27 0:00 ` Lawrence Kirby
[not found] ` <65keij$mkd$1@nerd.apk.net>
1997-11-27 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-11-28 0:00 ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
1997-12-01 0:00 ` FRS DES
1997-11-18 0:00 ` Lawrence Kirby
1997-11-24 0:00 ` Martin M Dowie
1997-11-25 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-11-26 0:00 ` Peter Seebach
1997-12-02 0:00 ` ANDREAS LEITNER
1997-12-02 0:00 ` Lawrence Kirby
1997-12-03 0:00 ` Billy Chambless
1997-12-03 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-12-02 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-12-05 0:00 ` John Sullivan
1997-11-25 0:00 ` Mark Wilden
1997-11-25 0:00 ` Martin M Dowie
1997-11-26 0:00 ` Lawrence Kirby
1997-11-26 0:00 ` FRS DES
1997-11-18 0:00 ` Kevin Swan
1997-11-29 0:00 ` Ingemar Ragnemalm
1998-09-10 0:00 ` Steven Katz
1997-11-19 0:00 ` Alan E & Carmel J Brain
1997-11-19 0:00 ` Peter Seebach
[not found] ` <01bcdad2$fa9fdf60$25a43a91@basil.omroep.nl>
1997-10-17 0:00 ` D'Arcy J.M. Cain
1997-10-17 0:00 ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-10-13 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1997-10-14 0:00 ` Gary L. Scott
1997-10-13 0:00 ` Robert S. White
1997-10-13 0:00 ` Gary L. Scott
1997-10-19 0:00 ` William Rapp
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