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From: mbk@inls1.ucsd.edu (Matt Kennel)
Subject: Re: "Subtract C, add Ada"
Date: 24 Jan 1995 00:54:53 GMT
Date: 1995-01-24T00:54:53+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3g1j4t$g8a@network.ucsd.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 3fv6lb$f4u@oahu.cs.ucla.edu

Jay Martin (jmartin@oahu.cs.ucla.edu) wrote:
: Heh, (C Idiom == Idiotm)

: >Writing ``for (p = head; p; p = p->next) { /* process list */ }''

: Ptr := Head;
: while (Ptr /= null) loop
:   ...
:   Ptr := Ptr.Next;
: end loop;

: (My Ada is rusty, I only program in C++ now)

		"Think Globally, Act Locally."	

All these silly questions come down to the fact that control
structures are hardwired into the language, but not easily
reprogrammable.

Real iterations in real problems come in many forms.  You need a
user-progammable construction that goes straight to the problem.
C++ types 'iterators' are a good first step, but I don't feel
super comfortable with them.  What I think is even better is
Sather's "iters".  Instead of arguing over silly little details
of various Pascal or C control structures or whatever their trivial
variations, we should desire something much better and powerful among
all the inventions that have been occured over the last 20 years.

In particular I know about Sather's iters, which are practical
and convenient.

Example:
--------
list,list2:LIST{BLAH};
loop
  	list_element := list.elt!;  -- iterate through elements of "list".

	process(list_element);

	while!(list_element /= special_gonzo); 
                -- break out if we hit mr gonzo.

	list_element2 := list2.elt!;	
	  -- parallel (not nested) iteration through second list

	process2(list_element,list_element2);
end;


"elt!" is a feature in LIST{BLAH} which returns successive elements of
the list, and breaks out if it hits the end.

This fragment does exactly what it looks like it does.  And the
user of the "list" does not need to know whether it returns elements by
dint of following successive pointers, stepping through arrays, or black magic.

It eliminates stupid "off-by-one" errors and needless special boundary
cases.

cheers
Matt

--
-Matt Kennel  		mbk@inls1.ucsd.edu
-Institute for Nonlinear Science, University of California, San Diego
-*** AD: Archive for nonlinear dynamics papers & programs: FTP to
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  parent reply	other threads:[~1995-01-24  0:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 85+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1995-01-20 10:20 "Subtract C, add Ada" R.A.L Williams
1995-01-20 13:22 ` Renaud HEBERT
1995-01-24  3:35   ` David Moore
1995-01-25  5:38     ` Robert Dewar
1995-01-28 16:35     ` Jules
1995-01-29  8:06       ` Matt Kennel
1995-01-30  5:31       ` Michael Feldman
1995-01-31 22:22         ` David O'Brien
1995-01-24 20:23   ` N. Mellor
1995-01-25  8:50     ` Robb Nebbe
1995-01-25 14:19     ` John Volan
1995-01-26  5:07     ` Samuel Mize
1995-01-26 18:51       ` Mark A Biggar
1995-01-21 15:18 ` Robert Dewar
1995-01-21 21:03 ` David O'Brien
1995-01-23  3:09   ` Jay Martin
1995-01-23 12:50     ` Andrew McConnell
1995-01-24  0:54     ` Matt Kennel [this message]
1995-01-25 17:03       ` Norman H. Cohen
1995-01-26  1:13         ` Dr. Richard Botting
1995-01-26 14:32         ` Anders Juul Munch
1995-01-24  0:17   ` Bob Kitzberger
1995-01-23 20:46 ` Robert Firth
1995-01-24 14:25   ` Samuel Mize
1995-01-25  7:27     ` David O'Brien
1995-01-25 12:14     ` Robert A Duff
1995-01-25  5:57   ` David O'Brien
     [not found]     ` <3g9rf0$71k@Starbase.NeoSoft.COM>
1995-01-28 21:08       ` David O'Brien
1995-01-31 18:07         ` Samuel Mize
1995-02-01 10:23         ` Samuel Mize
1995-01-30  0:24     ` Mark S. Hathaway
1995-01-31  3:30       ` Jay Martin
1995-02-01 13:25         ` Jesper Kaagaard
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
1995-02-10 13:49 R.A.L Williams
     [not found] <3gsr0e$oin@miranda.gmrc.gecm.com>
1995-02-07 16:58 ` Mark S. Hathaway
1995-02-08  7:39   ` Travis C. Porco
1995-02-08 16:07     ` Fred J. McCall
1995-02-08 21:30       ` Garlington KE
1995-01-31  9:34 R.A.L Williams
1995-02-01 16:45 ` Charles H. Sampson
1995-01-23  8:49 R.A.L Williams
1995-01-25 23:18 ` Charles H. Sampson
1995-01-20  9:33 R.A.L Williams
     [not found] <3fgphd$sc3@rational.rational.com>
1995-01-20  5:51 ` RonaldS60
1995-02-07 13:55   ` Robert C. Soong
     [not found] <3fdcoi$chn@miranda.gmrc.gecm.com>
1995-01-20  5:01 ` Samuel Mize
1995-01-20 22:07   ` Garlington KE
1995-01-24  5:02     ` R_Tim_Coslet
     [not found] <3etund$hnr@miranda.gmrc.gecm.com>
1995-01-12  9:56 ` Erik Svensson
1995-01-12 14:44 ` Norman H. Cohen
1995-01-13  1:51 ` David O'Brien
1995-01-13 12:38   ` Laurent Gasser
1995-01-13 20:53     ` John DiCamillo
     [not found]       ` <3f8fnf$c8p@gamma.ois.com>
1995-01-16 11:02         ` Matt Kennel
     [not found]         ` <milodD2IFpG.329@netcom.com>
1995-01-17 21:39           ` R. William Beckwith
     [not found]       ` <3fa11q$sdh@gnat.cs.nyu.edu>
1995-01-16 20:20         ` David Moore
1995-01-14  0:24     ` David O'Brien
1995-01-20  4:43     ` Samuel Mize
1995-01-21 20:28       ` David O'Brien
1995-01-22 21:12         ` Robert Dewar
1995-01-23 18:35         ` Norman H. Cohen
1995-01-23 19:18         ` John Cosby - The Coz
1995-01-24 14:11         ` Samuel Mize
1995-01-14 10:37   ` Keith Thompson
     [not found]     ` <3fcjgt$b0v@cronkite.seas.gwu.edu>
1995-01-16 18:47       ` Robert Dewar
     [not found]   ` <D2It0r.4rp@inmet.camb.inmet.com>
1995-01-17 14:11     ` Norman H. Cohen
1994-12-30 16:06 Mitch Gart
1995-01-03 19:04 ` whiting_ms@corning.com (Matt Whiting)
1995-01-05  4:31   ` Michael Feldman
1995-01-04 21:40 ` Fred McCall
1995-01-05  4:30   ` Richard Pattis
1995-01-05 16:07   ` Kevin Weise
1995-01-06 13:06   ` Jahn Rentmeister
1995-01-06 16:47     ` Laurent Gasser
1995-01-06 17:29       ` David Weller
1995-01-06 17:30         ` David Weller
1995-01-10 18:28       ` Bob Kitzberger
1995-01-06 23:36   ` Kenneth Almquist
1995-01-04 22:45 ` Jay M. Martin
1995-01-05  4:37   ` Michael Feldman
1995-01-05 18:08     ` Jay Martin
1995-01-05 23:56       ` Robert Dewar
1995-01-08  8:04         ` Jay Martin
1995-01-06  0:07       ` Michael M. Bishop
1995-01-10 21:30         ` Jay Martin
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