From: bill@valiant (R.A.L Williams)
Subject: "Subtract C, add Ada"
Date: 20 Jan 1995 09:33:47 GMT
Date: 1995-01-20T09:33:47+00:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <3fo01r$su2@miranda.gmrc.gecm.com> (raw)
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Bill Williams]
Robert Dewar wrote..
> Bill comments that for his points 3. and 4.
>
> 3. uninitialised pointer access
> 4. pointer references to local variables in defunct procedures
>
> "The syntax of Ada .. does not really address 3. or 4."
>
> Taking point 3, it is impossible to have an uninitialized pointer in Ada,
> all pointers are initialized to null, and any attempt to use a null pointer,
> i.e. to dereference it, will cause a constraint error. Seems like pretty
> complete protection to me.
Yes, you're right, Ada *guarantees* a run time crash, in C/C++ it's just very
likely. It's still not a compile time check so you're relying on the
quality of your run time environment to tie down where the problem
occurs. Of course, in embedded systems you don't want *any* exceptions,
no matter how cleanly you handle them! I'm not saying that we necessarily
want to go to a language which either doesn't allow pointers (yuck!) or
constrains their use to such an extent that compile time checks are
feasible; I was just trying to point out that using Ada is no substitute
for good engineering practice in design and coding.
> With regard to point 4, ther is no way to get pointer references to local
> variables in Ada 83 (except use of 'Address, and non-portable maybe-works,
> maybe-doesn't unchecked conversion of the address to an access type, which
> really doesn't count). Certainly students (and most other Ada programmers)
> should be forbidden from using such constructs (the use of 'Address, and
> indeed of unchecked conversion of addresses to access types is permissible
> in some situations, but taking the 'Address of locals in a subprogram is
> pretty dubious).
Again, you're right BUT, 'ADDRESS is something you need to do fairly
often when interfacing to foreign languages. Sorry, don't want to start a
religious argument about libraries etc. it's just a fact of life.
I agree whole heartedly about restricting the constructs used by 'novice'
programmers or those coding for `critical' environments.
> In Ada 95, it is indeed possible to take the 'Access of local variables,
> provided they are marked aliased, but the accessibility rules make it
> impossible to have dangling pointers. Dangling pointers can be created
> by the use of Unchecked_Access, but this is in the same category as
> Unchecked_Conversion, to be used with great care in rare cases.
I'm looking forward to trying out Ada95. Got GNAT 2.0 up and going on
a SPARC station that I have occasional access to. I'm really looking
forward to the HP700 port because that's what our local network is.
Thanks for the feedback.
Bill Williams
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1995-02-10 13:49 "Subtract C, add Ada" R.A.L Williams
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1995-02-07 16:58 ` Mark S. Hathaway
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1995-01-31 9:34 R.A.L Williams
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1995-01-23 8:49 R.A.L Williams
1995-01-25 23:18 ` Charles H. Sampson
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1995-01-20 13:22 ` Renaud HEBERT
1995-01-24 3:35 ` David Moore
1995-01-25 5:38 ` Robert Dewar
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