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From: Ludovic Brenta <ludovic@ludovic-brenta.org>
Subject: Re: Arguments for using Ada
Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 02:18:04 -0700 (PDT)
Date: 2009-05-19T02:18:04-07:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3ec1d99a-e9f7-4f7e-989a-7588189d27a8@r34g2000vba.googlegroups.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 77f9ljF1h8vniU1@mid.individual.net

Georg Maubach wrote on comp.lang.ada:
> Hi All,
>
> I am preparing a general suggestion for improvement into the group-wide
> ideas and innovation management system of my employer. For this I would
> like to back up me suggestion with some articles about the advantages of
> using Ada.
>
> I have so far:
>
> Proof that a software development project using Ada takes less - instead
> of more time - than expected: „The Return of Ada“  (http://gcn.com/
> Articles/2008/04/11/The-return-of-Ada.aspx?Page=1):.
>
> Proof that complex systems within the logistics and transportation
> industry work more reliable and can be better maintained using Ada than
> other languages: „European Train Control System“ (http://www.adaic.com/
> atwork/euro.html):
>
> List of software systems based on Ada that work without defects and are
> therefore never heart of (http://www.seas.gwu.edu/~mfeldman/ada-project-
> summary.html,http://www.cs.kuleuven.ac.be/~dirk/ada-belgium/success/
> success.html).
>
> Ada is tought at German universities, programmers could be recruited from
> there (http://www.ada-deutschland.de/ful/index.html).
>
> Proof of the activities of the Ada user community: FOSDEM 2009 - Ada
> Developers Conference Room (http://www.cs.kuleuven.be/~dirk/ada-belgium/
> events/09/090207-fosdem.html),
> Ada Europe Conference 2009 (http://www.ada-europe.org/
> conference2009.html),
> ACM SigAda Conference 2009 (http://www.sigada.org/conf/sigada2009/),
> Discussion Group (comp.lang.ada)
>
> Tools and Utitilites can be bought from many manufacturers, supplier
> change is possible if needed, no single supplier dependency (http://www.ibm.com/software/awdtools/developer/ada/,http://www.eds.com/, http://www.adacore.com,http://www.aonix.com,http://www.ddci.com, http://www.ghs.com)

I don't think this is relevant to most pointy-haired bosses :( They're
content to become a captive customer of Microsoft, Sun (Java) and
Intel (processors). Instead, I think the relevant idea is that they
can choose one reliable supplier that provides support in the long
term, and happily become captive.

> Training courses are available from different suppliers (http://www.ddci.com/,http://www.abssw.com,http://www.classwide.com/).

Also www.adalog.fr.

> What is missing are articles relating to the following:
>
> - There are enough Ada programmers available.

At Eurocontrol we never have a problem recruiting Ada programmers, or
people willing to convert to Ada. But pointy-haired bosses like to
point out "the lack of Ada programmers" when they run out of excuses
for poor engineering decisions. If a programmer can learn Java or C#,
they can learn Ada.

> - Ada can be used with more success than other languages. There was a
> software development project at a university which asked a first group of
> students to use C (not successful) and asked a second group of students
> using Ada (succeessful).

http://www.adaic.org/atwork/trains.html

> - Links with content (e.g. research) that proofs that development with
> Ada results in less defects than progams in other languages

http://www.adaic.com/whyada/ada-vs-c/cada_art.html

> - Links with content (e.g. research) that proofs that development with
> Ada results in better maintainable software

http://www.adaic.com/whyada/ada-vs-c/cada_art.html

> Can you help me with links and information on the aspects still missing?

http://www.adaic.com/whyada/

I think the buggest hurdle to overcome is the lemming mentality; even
if you point out that a pointy-haired boss is thinking like a lemming,
they are still happy about that because they want their programmers to
be interchangeable (i.e. disposable). Some do not even understand the
value of good education and tools for good software engineering.

Also, before you convince pointy-haired bosses, you need to win the
hearts and minds of developers. So, I would suggest you discuss your
idea with some developers first, and not try to have managers force
Ada on them. You will be better able to convince managers if several
top developers back your suggestions.

--
Ludovic Brenta.



  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-05-19  9:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-05-19  8:41 Arguments for using Ada Georg Maubach
2009-05-19  9:13 ` christoph.grein
2009-05-19  9:18 ` Ludovic Brenta [this message]
2009-05-19  9:38   ` Ludovic Brenta
2009-05-19 11:28 ` roderick.chapman
2009-05-19 12:29   ` Peter Hermann
2009-05-21 14:23 ` Mike Silva
2009-05-21 18:33   ` roderick.chapman
2009-05-25  6:06 ` Michael Erdmann
2009-05-25  6:06 ` Michael Erdmann
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