From: "Phil Thornley" <phil.thornley@baesystems.com>
Subject: Re: [Spark] Arrays of Strings
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 08:35:38 +0100
Date: 2003-04-11T08:35:38+01:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <3e966fc9$1@baen1673807.greenlnk.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 1049986095.779228@master.nyc.kbcfp.com
"Hyman Rosen" <hyrosen@mail.com> wrote in message
news:1049986095.779228@master.nyc.kbcfp.com...
> Getting rid of features that are presumed to cause problems is a bit
of
> hubris that language designers always seem to fall victim to. Ada
itself
> had a huge problem because the designers thought that function
pointers
> could be eliminated. Spark gets rid of all pointers, Java gets rid of
> templates, and so on and so on.
>
> Then everyone who uses these languages has to figure out how to work
> around the lack of the feature they need, essentially duplicating it
in
> some kludgy way. [abuse snipped]
There must be very few SPARK based systems that don't have to include
some non-SPARK code. (One whole chapter of the SPARK book is about
interfacing to such code.)
But to argue that this makes languages such as SPARK wholly useless is
specious.
If I am writing the code for a safety-critical system then all of that
code has to be brought to the same integrity level. If 99% of that is
SPARK code then the effort to validate that code is minimised and I am
quite content to put a lot of manual analysis (per line of code) into
bringing the remaining 1% up to the same integrity level.
Phil Thornley
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Phil Thornley
BAE SYSTEMS
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Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2003-04-08 12:02 [Spark] Arrays of Strings Lutz Donnerhacke
2003-04-08 18:08 ` Martin Krischik
2003-04-09 9:23 ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2003-04-09 12:38 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-04-09 12:47 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-04-09 14:27 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-04-09 15:13 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-04-09 17:21 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-04-09 18:41 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-04-09 21:04 ` Randy Brukardt
2003-04-10 23:21 ` John R. Strohm
2003-04-11 12:19 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-04-11 13:14 ` John R. Strohm
2003-04-09 7:50 ` Eric G. Miller
2003-04-09 8:10 ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2003-04-09 18:23 ` Matthew Heaney
2003-04-09 17:42 ` Matthew Heaney
2003-04-09 21:06 ` Randy Brukardt
2003-04-10 8:23 ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2003-04-10 14:09 ` Matthew Heaney
2003-04-10 14:48 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-04-11 6:20 ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-04-11 12:31 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-04-11 18:27 ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-04-11 7:35 ` Phil Thornley [this message]
2003-04-11 12:05 ` Marin David Condic
2003-04-11 13:19 ` John R. Strohm
2003-04-12 23:09 ` Robert A Duff
2003-04-11 18:47 ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-04-12 23:51 ` Robert A Duff
2003-04-13 5:47 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-04-14 8:05 ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2003-04-10 15:02 ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2003-04-10 15:50 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-04-10 18:32 ` Randy Brukardt
2003-04-11 6:28 ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-04-11 8:11 ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2003-04-11 12:32 ` Rod Chapman
2003-04-11 14:50 ` Peter Amey
2003-04-11 18:41 ` Matthew Heaney
2003-04-11 21:25 ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-04-12 10:08 ` Peter Amey
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