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From: nickroberts@blueyonder.co.uk (Nick Roberts)
Subject: Re: Advantage of XML based GUI? (was Re: Ada-inspired OS/Language)
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 01:53:42 GMT
Date: 2002-09-13T01:53:42+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3d813a2b.1026389832@news.cis.dfn.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: slrnao1h4s.271.randhol+news@kiuk0156.chembio.ntnu.no

On Thu, 12 Sep 2002 16:45:14 +0000 (UTC), Preben Randhol
<randhol+news@pvv.org> strongly typed:

>On Thu, 12 Sep 2002 16:12:12 GMT, Nick Roberts wrote:
>> All security features are optional. It's just that they are optional for
>> the privileged user, not for the ordinary user!
>
>I don't think I understand what is inherently more secure that it says
>Top Secret on the top of some piece of paper. To me it sounds like
>something only usable in the military?

It is a requirement specified in the TCSEC; that is my primary concern.

I presume the rationale is that it may make it more difficult for someone
to pass off a printed document as having a status it does not. Often, in
the real world, security is about making things difficult (rather than
completely impossible).

This kind of security 'labelling' is a typical military requirement, but
(the TCSEC makes it clear) it would be likely to also be a requirement of a
great many organisations, were they to undertake a true security
requirements assessment. A great many organisations need to keep certain
information confidential, and ensure certain information is correct, as a
legal requirement; most corporations have industrial secrets to protect and
all need to prevent fraud. Of course, the unfortunate fact is that most
organisations today are hopelessly deficient in their overall security
provisions.

>> If you were running AdaOS on your own personal computer, you would be the
>> system administrator, and so you would have the highest privileges (you are
>> allowed to do anything ;-). Probably you would have security label printing
>> permanently turned off. In fact, probably you would have no mandatory
>> security features operative at all.
>
>I hope you are thinking of doing it the UNIX way. I mean that the user
>does not have root/administrator privileges and that there is only one
>root superuser which is not used unless when one needs to install
>software.

AdaOS will be a fully object oriented OS, and its design is not closely
related to any of the Unixen. I am considering the various security schemes
offered by CORBA at the moment. I may well choose to enhance these with
many further facilities. 

>This document should be of interest: http://www.nsa.gov/selinux/

Interesting, but there's nothing new to me here. AdaOS will be designed to
conform to the requirements of the TCSEC level B2 or B1. This exceeds what
is offered by SE Linux (or any of the BSDs).

The security mechanisms of AdaOS will be built into each object (class),
and will be tailored to the specific needs of that object (class); this is
a considerably more sophisticated approach than any isomorphic OS can
offer.

-- 
Nick Roberts



  parent reply	other threads:[~2002-09-13  1:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 97+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-08-20 14:10 Ada-inspired OS/Language Ryan
2002-08-20 14:34 ` Jim Rogers
2002-08-20 14:59 ` Darren New
2002-08-20 17:57 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2002-08-29 22:24   ` Nick Roberts
2002-08-30 13:33     ` Marin D. Condic
2002-08-31  3:38       ` Nick Roberts
2002-08-31 13:54         ` Marin David Condic
2002-09-04 16:47         ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2002-09-04 17:24         ` Darren New
2002-09-05  3:16           ` Nick Roberts
2002-09-05  8:41             ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-09-12  2:17             ` Rod Haper
2002-09-06 17:31     ` Richard Riehle
2002-09-07  0:23       ` Nick Roberts
2002-09-07 13:43         ` Marin David Condic
2002-09-07 15:18           ` Nick Roberts
2002-09-08 22:14           ` Robert C. Leif
2002-09-09 10:27             ` Advantage of XML based GUI? (was Re: Ada-inspired OS/Language) Preben Randhol
2002-09-09 14:27               ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-09-09 14:02                 ` Marin David Condic
2002-09-09 14:43                   ` Preben Randhol
2002-09-09 21:58                   ` Ryan Tarpine
2002-09-11 16:40                   ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2002-09-12 10:01                     ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-09-12 16:43                       ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2002-09-12 18:54                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-09-12 21:22                           ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2002-09-13 12:15                             ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-09-10  5:21                 ` Robert C. Leif
2002-09-10  5:21               ` Robert C. Leif
2002-09-10 12:31                 ` Preben Randhol
2002-09-10 13:16                   ` Marin David Condic
2002-09-15 19:49                     ` Christopher Browne
2002-09-10 22:32                   ` achrist
2002-09-11  4:45                     ` Christopher Browne
2002-09-11  5:59                       ` achrist
2002-09-12 14:55                         ` Christopher Browne
2002-09-11  2:28               ` Ted Dennison
2002-09-11 13:54                 ` Robert C. Leif
2002-09-11 14:06                   ` Programmer Dude
2002-09-11 19:48                 ` Nick Roberts
2002-09-12  8:02                   ` Preben Randhol
2002-09-12 14:27                     ` Chad R. Meiners
2002-09-18 17:49                       ` Andrew Berg
2002-09-18 23:13                         ` Chad R. Meiners
2002-09-12 16:12                     ` Nick Roberts
2002-09-12 16:45                       ` Preben Randhol
2002-09-12 17:03                         ` David C. Hoos
2002-09-13  7:57                           ` Preben Randhol
2002-09-13 19:55                             ` Nick Roberts
2002-09-14 12:59                               ` Marin David Condic
2002-09-16  5:20                                 ` Robert C. Leif
2002-09-16  8:16                                 ` Preben Randhol
2002-09-16 11:47                                   ` Marin David Condic
2002-09-16 12:08                                     ` Preben Randhol
2002-09-17 12:04                                       ` Marin David Condic
2002-09-12 18:57                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-09-13  8:01                           ` Preben Randhol
2002-09-13 12:23                             ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-09-13 15:32                               ` Preben Randhol
2002-09-13  1:53                         ` Nick Roberts [this message]
2002-09-13  8:24                           ` Preben Randhol
2002-09-13 19:55                             ` Nick Roberts
2002-09-14 15:42                               ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2002-09-14 16:19                                 ` Chad R. Meiners
2002-09-15  3:31                                   ` Nick Roberts
2002-09-15  5:50                           ` Mark Biggar
2002-09-15  8:38                             ` achrist
2002-09-15 21:54                               ` Nick Roberts
2002-09-16 15:26                                 ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-09-17  2:36                                   ` Nick Roberts
2002-09-17  4:07                                 ` Larry Kilgallen
     [not found]                                 ` <jHHM$fQsCilo@eisneOrganization: LJK Software <bNwUY4VpTlxs@eisner.encompasserve.org>
2002-09-17 22:05                                   ` Nick Roberts
2002-09-12 17:23                       ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-09-13  0:45                         ` Robert C. Leif
2002-09-13  8:10                           ` Preben Randhol
2002-09-13 17:44                             ` Robert C. Leif
2002-09-13  1:53                         ` Nick Roberts
2002-09-13  3:02                           ` Robert A Duff
2002-09-13 10:50                           ` David C. Hoos, Sr.
2002-09-13 17:00                           ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-09-13 19:55                             ` Nick Roberts
2002-09-12 20:36                       ` chris.danx
2002-09-13  1:53                         ` Nick Roberts
2002-09-13 12:14                       ` Marin David Condic
2002-09-13 15:29                         ` Robert A Duff
2002-09-13 17:02                           ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-09-14 12:49                             ` Marin David Condic
2002-09-16  8:14                               ` Preben Randhol
2002-09-16 11:56                                 ` Marin David Condic
2002-09-13 17:27                           ` Jeffrey Carter
2002-09-16  7:55                             ` Mats Karlssohn
2002-09-13 15:34                       ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2002-09-09 10:00           ` Ada-inspired OS/Language Peter Hermann
2002-08-30 23:56   ` Samuel Tardieu
     [not found] <000201c25b4d$2a9eba10$789a0844@robertqgx6k4x9>
2002-09-14  6:17 ` Advantage of XML based GUI? (was Re: Ada-inspired OS/Language) Robert C. Leif
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