* How many Ada programmers does it take to change a light bulb? @ 2002-02-10 23:55 Gavin Small 2002-02-11 2:16 ` Jeffrey Carter ` (3 more replies) 0 siblings, 4 replies; 20+ messages in thread From: Gavin Small @ 2002-02-10 23:55 UTC (permalink / raw) Help! I'm new to this conference. I've bought an ADA book, for those of you interested it is called,'Ada 95 from the beginning by SKANSHOLM' Now all I need is a compiler? or interpreter? (pref. free) Some nice fellow please direct me! Zorrow@qed246.freeserve.co.uk ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
* Re: How many Ada programmers does it take to change a light bulb? 2002-02-10 23:55 How many Ada programmers does it take to change a light bulb? Gavin Small @ 2002-02-11 2:16 ` Jeffrey Carter 2002-02-11 10:45 ` John McCabe 2002-02-11 13:40 ` Preben Randhol ` (2 subsequent siblings) 3 siblings, 1 reply; 20+ messages in thread From: Jeffrey Carter @ 2002-02-11 2:16 UTC (permalink / raw) Gavin Small wrote: > > Now all I need is a compiler? or interpreter? (pref. free) None. Ada is used by software engineers, not programmers. One free Ada compiler is GNAT, available from ftp://cs.nyu.edu/pub/gnat/ The most recent free version is 3.14p. Other vendors supply free evaluation/student versions of their compilers, also. -- Jeff Carter "I blow my nose on you." Monty Python & the Holy Grail ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
* Re: How many Ada programmers does it take to change a light bulb? 2002-02-11 2:16 ` Jeffrey Carter @ 2002-02-11 10:45 ` John McCabe 2002-02-11 12:42 ` Marc A. Criley 0 siblings, 1 reply; 20+ messages in thread From: John McCabe @ 2002-02-11 10:45 UTC (permalink / raw) On Mon, 11 Feb 2002 02:16:41 GMT, Jeffrey Carter <jrcarter@acm.org> wrote: >Gavin Small wrote: >> >> Now all I need is a compiler? or interpreter? (pref. free) > >None. Ada is used by software engineers, not programmers. > >One free Ada compiler is GNAT, available from > >ftp://cs.nyu.edu/pub/gnat/ > >The most recent free version is 3.14p. Other vendors supply free >evaluation/student versions of their compilers, also. As you would know if you'd bothered to carry out a search on Google groups. See http://groups.google.com/groups?as_q=free%20compiler&as_ugroup=comp.lang.ada&lr=lang_en&as_drrb=b&as_mind=12&as_minm=5&as_miny=2000&as_maxd=11&as_maxm=2&as_maxy=2002&hl=en ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
* Re: How many Ada programmers does it take to change a light bulb? 2002-02-11 10:45 ` John McCabe @ 2002-02-11 12:42 ` Marc A. Criley 2002-02-11 14:45 ` Marin David Condic 2002-02-11 15:13 ` John McCabe 0 siblings, 2 replies; 20+ messages in thread From: Marc A. Criley @ 2002-02-11 12:42 UTC (permalink / raw) John McCabe wrote: > > On Mon, 11 Feb 2002 02:16:41 GMT, Jeffrey Carter <jrcarter@acm.org> > wrote: > > >Gavin Small wrote: > >> > >> Now all I need is a compiler? or interpreter? (pref. free) > > > >None. Ada is used by software engineers, not programmers. > > > >One free Ada compiler is GNAT, available from > > > >ftp://cs.nyu.edu/pub/gnat/ > > > >The most recent free version is 3.14p. Other vendors supply free > >evaluation/student versions of their compilers, also. > > As you would know if you'd bothered to carry out a search on Google > groups. See > http://groups.google.com/groups?as_q=free%20compiler&as_ugroup=comp.lang.ada&lr=lang_en&as_drrb=b&as_mind=12&as_minm=5&as_miny=2000&as_maxd=11&as_maxm=2&as_maxy=2002&hl=en Hey y'all! Lighten up! Being snitty is hardly the way to endear a new Ada programmer to the language or this news group! Sheesh! Gavin, if you're running Linux, there are ready-to-go RPMs for GNAT and associated development tools at www.gnuada.org. Marc A. Criley Consultant Quadrus Corporation www.quadruscorp.com ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
* Re: How many Ada programmers does it take to change a light bulb? 2002-02-11 12:42 ` Marc A. Criley @ 2002-02-11 14:45 ` Marin David Condic 2002-02-11 15:13 ` John McCabe 1 sibling, 0 replies; 20+ messages in thread From: Marin David Condic @ 2002-02-11 14:45 UTC (permalink / raw) Good point, Marc. We ought to be patient with the newbies as we were all once newbies ourselves - and it helps make Ada a better experience for the newbies if we can be as helpful as possible. In case nobody else mentions it, the best place to start looking for resources relating to Ada programming is: http://www.adapower.com/ You can find books, compilers, tutorials, source code, important links, etc there that will help you get started with Ada. Generally, you can find help with specific programming problems here so long as you are not trying to get someone to do your homework and you post a question that is specific enough to be readily addressed. (A small code example, the software/hardware platform you're working with, the compiler/version you're using, etc.) Good luck! MDC -- Marin David Condic Senior Software Engineer Pace Micro Technology Americas www.pacemicro.com Enabling the digital revolution e-Mail: marin.condic@pacemicro.com Web: http://www.mcondic.com/ "Marc A. Criley" <mcqada95@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:3C67AEF6.CE33656E@earthlink.net... > > Hey y'all! Lighten up! Being snitty is hardly the way to endear a new > Ada programmer to the language or this news group! Sheesh! > > Gavin, if you're running Linux, there are ready-to-go RPMs for GNAT and > associated development tools at www.gnuada.org. > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
* Re: How many Ada programmers does it take to change a light bulb? 2002-02-11 12:42 ` Marc A. Criley 2002-02-11 14:45 ` Marin David Condic @ 2002-02-11 15:13 ` John McCabe 2002-02-11 19:07 ` Pascal Obry 1 sibling, 1 reply; 20+ messages in thread From: John McCabe @ 2002-02-11 15:13 UTC (permalink / raw) On Mon, 11 Feb 2002 12:42:38 GMT, "Marc A. Criley" <mcqada95@earthlink.net> wrote: >John McCabe wrote: >> >> On Mon, 11 Feb 2002 02:16:41 GMT, Jeffrey Carter <jrcarter@acm.org> >> wrote: >> >> >Gavin Small wrote: >> >> >> >> Now all I need is a compiler? or interpreter? (pref. free) >> > >> >None. Ada is used by software engineers, not programmers. >> > >> >One free Ada compiler is GNAT, available from >> > >> >ftp://cs.nyu.edu/pub/gnat/ >> > >> >The most recent free version is 3.14p. Other vendors supply free >> >evaluation/student versions of their compilers, also. >> >> As you would know if you'd bothered to carry out a search on Google >> groups. See >> http://groups.google.com/groups?as_q=free%20compiler&as_ugroup=comp.lang.ada&lr=lang_en&as_drrb=b&as_mind=12&as_minm=5&as_miny=2000&as_maxd=11&as_maxm=2&as_maxy=2002&hl=en > >Hey y'all! Lighten up! Being snitty is hardly the way to endear a new >Ada programmer to the language or this news group! Sheesh! So just how many times have you answered this question? Wouldn't you prefer it if (given that you've answered it so many times in the past) you didn't have to answer it again? If the OP didn't know about Google Groups, then they do now so at least I've been informative. If they did know about Google Groups then they should have checked for what is most definitely a FAQ! ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
* Re: How many Ada programmers does it take to change a light bulb? 2002-02-11 15:13 ` John McCabe @ 2002-02-11 19:07 ` Pascal Obry 2002-02-12 2:24 ` Robert Dewar 2002-02-12 11:06 ` John McCabe 0 siblings, 2 replies; 20+ messages in thread From: Pascal Obry @ 2002-02-11 19:07 UTC (permalink / raw) john.mccabe@emrad.ns.com (John McCabe) writes: > If the OP didn't know about Google Groups, then they do now so at > least I've been informative. If they did know about Google Groups then > they should have checked for what is most definitely a FAQ! Well and if nobody answer this question from time to time the Goodle Groups answer would be: You can use the latest GNAT compiler from Nov 1998 - bleeding edge technologie that is under active developement. Be sure to also check the Ada Home web site for recent information. A search is a search and only retreive what as been said :) Pascal. -- --|------------------------------------------------------ --| Pascal Obry Team-Ada Member --| 45, rue Gabriel Peri - 78114 Magny Les Hameaux FRANCE --|------------------------------------------------------ --| http://perso.wanadoo.fr/pascal.obry --| --| "The best way to travel is by means of imagination" ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
* Re: How many Ada programmers does it take to change a light bulb? 2002-02-11 19:07 ` Pascal Obry @ 2002-02-12 2:24 ` Robert Dewar 2002-02-12 4:32 ` Eric Merritt 2002-02-12 10:56 ` John McCabe 2002-02-12 11:06 ` John McCabe 1 sibling, 2 replies; 20+ messages in thread From: Robert Dewar @ 2002-02-12 2:24 UTC (permalink / raw) Pascal Obry <p.obry@wanadoo.fr> wrote in message news:<uit93u9a0.fsf@wanadoo.fr>... > john.mccabe@emrad.ns.com (John McCabe) writes: > A search is a search and only retreive what as been said :) > > Pascal. And it is indeed the case that a search for Ada 95 yields adahome at the top, which is too bad since as far as I know this site is completely unmaintained apart from being kept around and getting more and more obsolete. If I am wrong, and adahome has jumped back into active maintenance status, then I apologize and welcome the news, but in that case the maintainers have a LOT of catching up work to do. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
* Re: How many Ada programmers does it take to change a light bulb? 2002-02-12 2:24 ` Robert Dewar @ 2002-02-12 4:32 ` Eric Merritt 2002-02-12 10:56 ` John McCabe 1 sibling, 0 replies; 20+ messages in thread From: Eric Merritt @ 2002-02-12 4:32 UTC (permalink / raw) Who were the original maintainers? Is it possible to contact them and perhaps give maintenance over to some other voluteers? Its the first site that comes up in just about any search. --- Robert Dewar <dewar@gnat.com> wrote: > Pascal Obry <p.obry@wanadoo.fr> wrote in message > news:<uit93u9a0.fsf@wanadoo.fr>... > > john.mccabe@emrad.ns.com (John McCabe) writes: > > A search is a search and only retreive what as > been said :) > > > > Pascal. > > > And it is indeed the case that a search for Ada 95 > yields > adahome at the top, which is too bad since as far as > I know > this site is completely unmaintained apart from > being kept > around and getting more and more obsolete. > > If I am wrong, and adahome has jumped back into > active > maintenance status, then I apologize and welcome the > news, > but in that case the maintainers have a LOT of > catching > up work to do. > _______________________________________________ > comp.lang.ada mailing list > comp.lang.ada@ada.eu.org > http://ada.eu.org/mailman/listinfo/comp.lang.ada __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
* Re: How many Ada programmers does it take to change a light bulb? 2002-02-12 2:24 ` Robert Dewar 2002-02-12 4:32 ` Eric Merritt @ 2002-02-12 10:56 ` John McCabe 2002-02-16 14:38 ` Robert Dewar 1 sibling, 1 reply; 20+ messages in thread From: John McCabe @ 2002-02-12 10:56 UTC (permalink / raw) On 11 Feb 2002 18:24:43 -0800, dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) wrote: >And it is indeed the case that a search for Ada 95 yields >adahome at the top, On Google Groups? I don't think so! ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
* Re: How many Ada programmers does it take to change a light bulb? 2002-02-12 10:56 ` John McCabe @ 2002-02-16 14:38 ` Robert Dewar 2002-02-16 14:55 ` Florian Weimer ` (3 more replies) 0 siblings, 4 replies; 20+ messages in thread From: Robert Dewar @ 2002-02-16 14:38 UTC (permalink / raw) john.mccabe@emrad.ns.com (John McCabe) wrote in message news:<3c68f464.8228081@news.demon.co.uk>... > On 11 Feb 2002 18:24:43 -0800, dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) wrote: > > >And it is indeed the case that a search for Ada 95 > >yields adahome at the top, > > On Google Groups? I don't think so! Well if you search the usenet groups, of course not, but if you use Google to search the web, then a search for Ada95 (no space) puts Adahome at the top, and a search for Ada 95 (with a space) puts Adahome second, right after the Ada 95 reference manual. I just repeated these two searches a moment ago, and repeated these results. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
* Re: How many Ada programmers does it take to change a light bulb? 2002-02-16 14:38 ` Robert Dewar @ 2002-02-16 14:55 ` Florian Weimer 2002-02-18 6:31 ` Anders Wirzenius ` (2 subsequent siblings) 3 siblings, 0 replies; 20+ messages in thread From: Florian Weimer @ 2002-02-16 14:55 UTC (permalink / raw) dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) writes: > Well if you search the usenet groups, of course not, but > if you use Google to search the web, then a search for > Ada95 (no space) puts Adahome at the top, and a search for > Ada 95 (with a space) puts Adahome second, right after the > Ada 95 reference manual. I just repeated these two searches > a moment ago, and repeated these results. The Ada95 rating is probably caused by the ncurses documentation, which is in wide circulation: | J�rgen Pfeifer wrote all of the menu and forms code as well as the | Ada95 binding. And "Ada95" is a link to AdaHome. I'm filing a bug report right now. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
* Re: How many Ada programmers does it take to change a light bulb? 2002-02-16 14:38 ` Robert Dewar 2002-02-16 14:55 ` Florian Weimer @ 2002-02-18 6:31 ` Anders Wirzenius 2002-02-18 10:31 ` John McCabe 2002-02-18 11:35 ` John McCabe 3 siblings, 0 replies; 20+ messages in thread From: Anders Wirzenius @ 2002-02-18 6:31 UTC (permalink / raw) Robert Dewar wrote in message <5ee5b646.0202160638.4e6326ab@posting.google.com>... >if you use Google to search the web, then a search for >Ada95 (no space) puts Adahome at the top, and a search for >Ada 95 (with a space) puts Adahome second, right after the >Ada 95 reference manual. I just repeated these two searches >a moment ago, and repeated these results. The search engines use keywords given in the meta data tag. My experience is that one can, at least to a certain degree, affect the position on search lists by using the tag <meta name="keywords"> I could not get the source code of http://www.Adapower.com/main_page_file_name (index.html?), but at least the file body.html has <META NAME="keywords" CONTENT="AdaPower power Ada source code free treasury repository"> in line 5. I think the syntax should be like CONTENT="Ada, Ada95, Ada 95" http://www.adahome.com/main_page_file_name includes <meta name="keywords" content="Ada, object-oriented programming, language, software engineering, realtime, Lovelace"> 2 cents Anders Wirzenius counting cents nowadays ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
* Re: How many Ada programmers does it take to change a light bulb? 2002-02-16 14:38 ` Robert Dewar 2002-02-16 14:55 ` Florian Weimer 2002-02-18 6:31 ` Anders Wirzenius @ 2002-02-18 10:31 ` John McCabe 2002-02-18 11:35 ` John McCabe 3 siblings, 0 replies; 20+ messages in thread From: John McCabe @ 2002-02-18 10:31 UTC (permalink / raw) On 16 Feb 2002 06:38:33 -0800, dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) wrote: >john.mccabe@emrad.ns.com (John McCabe) wrote in message news:<3c68f464.8228081@news.demon.co.uk>... >> On 11 Feb 2002 18:24:43 -0800, dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) wrote: >> >> >And it is indeed the case that a search for Ada 95 >> >yields adahome at the top, >> >> On Google Groups? I don't think so! > > >Well if you search the usenet groups, of course not, Well if you read what I said in the first place, you'll see I suggested Google Groups, so why waste everyone's time by not replying to messages you haven't read properly? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
* Re: How many Ada programmers does it take to change a light bulb? 2002-02-16 14:38 ` Robert Dewar ` (2 preceding siblings ...) 2002-02-18 10:31 ` John McCabe @ 2002-02-18 11:35 ` John McCabe 3 siblings, 0 replies; 20+ messages in thread From: John McCabe @ 2002-02-18 11:35 UTC (permalink / raw) On 16 Feb 2002 06:38:33 -0800, dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) wrote: >john.mccabe@emrad.ns.com (John McCabe) wrote in message news:<3c68f464.8228081@news.demon.co.uk>... >> On 11 Feb 2002 18:24:43 -0800, dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) wrote: >> >> >And it is indeed the case that a search for Ada 95 >> >yields adahome at the top, >> >> On Google Groups? I don't think so! > > >Well if you search the usenet groups, of course not, Well if you read what I said in the first place, you'll see I suggested Google Groups, so why waste everyone's time by replying to messages you haven't read properly? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
* Re: How many Ada programmers does it take to change a light bulb? 2002-02-11 19:07 ` Pascal Obry 2002-02-12 2:24 ` Robert Dewar @ 2002-02-12 11:06 ` John McCabe 1 sibling, 0 replies; 20+ messages in thread From: John McCabe @ 2002-02-12 11:06 UTC (permalink / raw) On 11 Feb 2002 20:07:51 +0100, Pascal Obry <p.obry@wanadoo.fr> wrote: >Well and if nobody answer this question from time to time the Goodle Groups >answer would be: > You can use the latest GNAT compiler from Nov 1998 - bleeding edge > technologie that is under active developement. Be sure to also check > the Ada Home web site for recent information. As you are no doubt aware, GNAT has been available at ftp://cs.nyu.edu/pub/gnat for a very long time now, so the fact that someone suggested looking there for a November 1998 release is probably still fairly valid. Besides, what version of GNAT was current in 1998? Is it *so* much different from now? Doesn't the newsgroup have a FAQ that could be referred to? I have to admit I was in the same position when I started using newsgroups - I had no idea there was somewhere you could look to see what had already been posted (DejaNews then), but that was 8 years or so ago and there were not that many references in magazines and suchlike to useful sites. Anyway - I don't really want to continue this as an argument - it's just that I've spent the last few weeks seeing newsgroup articles asking exactly the same question I asked only 3 or 4 weeks before and I'm a bit frustrated. So I'm sorry - OK? Slainthe John ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
* Re: How many Ada programmers does it take to change a light bulb? 2002-02-10 23:55 How many Ada programmers does it take to change a light bulb? Gavin Small 2002-02-11 2:16 ` Jeffrey Carter @ 2002-02-11 13:40 ` Preben Randhol 2002-02-12 12:21 ` John English 2002-02-14 0:32 ` Nick Roberts 3 siblings, 0 replies; 20+ messages in thread From: Preben Randhol @ 2002-02-11 13:40 UTC (permalink / raw) On Sun, 10 Feb 2002 23:55:36 -0000, Gavin Small wrote: > Help! > I'm new to this conference. I've bought an ADA book, for those of you > interested it is called,'Ada 95 from the beginning by SKANSHOLM' The language is called Ada as it is a name (not ADA). > Now all I need is a compiler? or interpreter? (pref. free) You don't say what OS you want to use, but go to www.adapower.net. You will find a lot of information there. -- Preben Randhol �For me, Ada95 puts back the joy in programming.� ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
* Re: How many Ada programmers does it take to change a light bulb? 2002-02-10 23:55 How many Ada programmers does it take to change a light bulb? Gavin Small 2002-02-11 2:16 ` Jeffrey Carter 2002-02-11 13:40 ` Preben Randhol @ 2002-02-12 12:21 ` John English 2002-02-14 0:32 ` Nick Roberts 3 siblings, 0 replies; 20+ messages in thread From: John English @ 2002-02-12 12:21 UTC (permalink / raw) Gavin Small wrote: > > Help! > I'm new to this conference. I've bought an ADA book, for those of you > interested it is called,'Ada 95 from the beginning by SKANSHOLM' > > Now all I need is a compiler? or interpreter? (pref. free) > Some nice fellow please direct me! You might find it worthwhile looking here: http://burks.bton.ac.uk/burks/language/ada/. There's a selection of compilers, development tools, useful packages, tutorials and reference material all in one place, and links to where they originally came from. ----------------------------------------------------------------- John English | mailto:je@brighton.ac.uk Senior Lecturer | http://www.it.bton.ac.uk/staff/je Dept. of Computing | ** NON-PROFIT CD FOR CS STUDENTS ** University of Brighton | -- see http://burks.bton.ac.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
* Re: How many Ada programmers does it take to change a light bulb? 2002-02-10 23:55 How many Ada programmers does it take to change a light bulb? Gavin Small ` (2 preceding siblings ...) 2002-02-12 12:21 ` John English @ 2002-02-14 0:32 ` Nick Roberts 2002-02-14 20:04 ` Hyman Rosen 3 siblings, 1 reply; 20+ messages in thread From: Nick Roberts @ 2002-02-14 0:32 UTC (permalink / raw) Q: How many Ada programmers does it take to change a light bulb? A: About half as many as the number of C++ programmers required. Furthermore, the bulb tends to last much longer before needing to be changed again. Also, it's almost unheard of for the bulb not to fit the socket. ;-) -- Nick Roberts ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
* Re: How many Ada programmers does it take to change a light bulb? 2002-02-14 0:32 ` Nick Roberts @ 2002-02-14 20:04 ` Hyman Rosen 0 siblings, 0 replies; 20+ messages in thread From: Hyman Rosen @ 2002-02-14 20:04 UTC (permalink / raw) Nick Roberts wrote: > Q: How many Ada programmers does it take to change a light bulb? > > A: About half as many as the number of C++ programmers required. > Furthermore, the bulb tends to last much longer before needing to be > changed again. Also, it's almost unheard of for the bulb not to fit the > socket. But it requires a power saw to open up the container so that you can take the light bulb out. Then the discarded packing material fills up your whole trash bin. :-) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
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