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From: mfeldman@seas.gwu.edu (Michael Feldman)
Subject: Re: Why don't large companies use Ada?
Date: 2 Dec 1994 16:25:14 -0500
Date: 1994-12-02T16:25:14-05:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3bo3bq$skd@felix.seas.gwu.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 1994Dec1.043246.13829@news.vanderbilt.edu

In article <1994Dec1.043246.13829@news.vanderbilt.edu>,
Jeff Gray <jgray@vuse.vanderbilt.edu> wrote:

[snip]

>I have not seen a recent survey of language use (in terms of CS-1 and CS-2) in
>U.S. universities. The last one that I am aware of, however, placed Ada second 
>behind Pascal. Many students are coming out with Ada experience. Why not
>utilize that experience?

The latest Reid Report on CS-1 languages shows Ada in second place,
'way behind Pascal, which is still the champ by far. The Reid Report
data may be a bit misleading, though, because I do not know how
representative it is. Reid's survey consists of listings from schools
who voluntarily report by e-mail. He lists some 400 or so, but there
are several thousand worldwide. 

I can tell you that his Ada data is reaonably complete. There are a few
places he missed, but not too many, as far as I can tell. I know this
because I think I've tracked down most if not all of the Ada-in-Cs1/CS2
institutions. My list is in the next message; note that it shows _only_ 
CS1/CS2 uses of Ada, NOT "Ada courses" in general. BTW - the CS1 number has
increased _fourfold_ in the last three years, the CS2 number has
doubled. These data are pretty verifiable.

In comparing Reid's data, it is very dangerous, and IMHO not intellectually
honest, to look at raw percentages, because whereas his language A
listings might be nearly exhaustive (because language A has champions
working hard to ensure that language A teachers report to him), language
C or P or M or L might be only a sample, and who knows whether that
sample can be extrapolated across all schools? So we have no idea
what the Ada percentages are. I don't care, because "market share"
is a less important criterion for success than a continuing upward
trend, which is what we've got.

Reid posts updates to comp.edu twice a year or so. I'm hesitant to
post it here because I've seen the data misinterpreted too many times.

Later -

Mike Feldman



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Thread overview: 203+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1994-12-01  4:32 Why don't large companies use Ada? Jeff Gray
1994-12-02 21:25 ` Michael Feldman [this message]
1994-12-02 21:27 ` Colleges and Universities Using Ada as a Foundation Language Michael Feldman
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1994-12-08  2:00 Why don't large companies use Ada? Kenneth G. Hamilton
1994-12-09 11:49 ` Robert Dewar
1994-12-07  0:49 Paige Vinall
1994-12-06 18:00 Bob Wells #402
1994-12-06 17:05 Bob Wells #402
1994-12-06 13:06 Paige Vinall
1994-12-07 14:15 ` Norman H. Cohen
1994-12-09  2:31 ` Michael Feldman
1994-12-03 20:49 Paige Vinall
1994-12-02  5:29 Robert Dewar
1994-12-01 22:08 Bennett, Chip (KTR) ~U
1994-12-01 19:06 Bennett, Chip (KTR) ~U
1994-11-30  5:21 Peter Coffee AC6EN
1994-11-14  4:17 Jamie Jamison
1994-11-14 14:19 ` R. William Beckwith
1994-11-14 22:07   ` Jeff Reinholz
1994-11-15  2:36     ` R. William Beckwith
1994-11-18 22:19     ` Christopher K. Krebs
1994-11-19 17:44       ` Jean D. Ichbiah
1994-11-20  7:09         ` R. William Beckwith
1994-11-20 17:18           ` Robert Dewar
1994-11-20 17:21           ` Robert Dewar
1994-11-20 23:32             ` Cyrille Comar
1994-11-21 15:02             ` R. William Beckwith
1994-11-20 23:37           ` Jean D. Ichbiah
1994-11-21  2:20             ` David Weller
1994-11-23 23:19               ` Jean D. Ichbiah
1994-11-21 14:53             ` R. William Beckwith
1994-11-22 13:56               ` Robert Dewar
1994-11-23 23:40               ` Jean D. Ichbiah
1994-11-22 20:08         ` Michael Feldman
1994-11-21 10:35       ` David Emery
1994-11-14 23:04   ` Robert Temple
1994-11-16 14:14     ` Doug Robertson
1994-11-16 23:47       ` Robert Dewar
1994-11-23  3:03         ` mat
1994-11-17  3:05       ` Michael Feldman
1994-11-17  3:07       ` Michael Feldman
1994-11-17 19:50       ` Robert C. Lokerson
1994-11-18  3:48         ` Michael Feldman
1994-11-22 16:43       ` James Hopper
1994-11-25 18:32         ` Carlos Perez
1994-11-25 20:26           ` Michael Feldman
1994-11-28  8:47             ` Tarjei Jensen
1994-11-28 16:23               ` Michael Feldman
1994-11-29  5:49                 ` Matt Kennel
1994-11-29 17:11                   ` Michael Feldman
1994-11-29  9:42                 ` Tarjei Jensen
1994-11-29 15:42                 ` Dave Vernest
1994-11-30 15:36                   ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen TF.DT/DELAB
1994-11-30 16:46                   ` An Amoeba
1994-11-30 17:39                     ` Jules
1994-11-30 14:05                       ` David Emery
1994-12-01  2:48                         ` R. William Beckwith
1994-12-04 15:06                           ` John Goodsen
1994-12-05  5:04                             ` R. William Beckwith
1994-12-02 15:18                       ` Akopov Mikhail
1994-12-05 14:52                         ` Jules
1994-12-01  1:04                     ` David Weller
1994-12-01 14:16                     ` Robert I. Eachus
1994-12-01 22:29                     ` Robert Dewar
1994-12-02  7:57                       ` Scott McLoughlin
1994-12-02 16:50                         ` Andrew Koenig
1994-12-02 10:32                       ` Robert I. Eachus
1994-12-02 22:57                         ` Mike Chapman
1994-12-05 15:59                           ` Norman H. Cohen
1994-12-10 17:37                           ` D'Arcy J.M. Cain
1994-12-11  2:08                             ` M. J. Saltzman
1994-12-11 17:43                             ` Andrew Koenig
1994-12-15 18:06                               ` John Goodsen
1994-12-12 12:58                             ` Con Bradley
1994-12-12 21:13                               ` Ian S Nelson
1994-12-13 10:44                               ` Ross Mather
1994-12-14 16:17                                 ` Peter Seebach
1994-12-03 11:07                       ` Markus Freericks
1994-12-05 16:43                       ` James Kanze US/ESC 60/3/141 #40763
1994-12-05 21:51                         ` Bart_van_der_Worp
1994-12-07 17:49                           ` Chris Dollin
1994-12-08 23:50                             ` Bart_van_der_Worp
1994-12-09  0:07                         ` Alistair James Robert Young
1994-12-09 12:47                           ` Jules
1994-12-10 16:29                             ` Brian Stern
1994-12-13 16:52                             ` Pete Gontier
1994-12-16 19:53                               ` Dr. Richard Botting
1994-12-09 19:15                           ` Robert Firth
1994-12-05 16:43                       ` James Kanze US/ESC 60/3/141 #40763
1994-12-03  9:49                     ` Stephen Benson
1994-12-04 22:59                       ` Michael Feldman
1994-11-30 17:26                   ` Jules
1994-11-30 20:17                   ` Norman H. Cohen
1994-12-05 21:54                     ` Stef Van Vlierberghe
1994-12-06  7:33                       ` Geens Ronald
1994-12-07 20:02                       ` Jules
1994-12-02 17:17                   ` Tucker Taft
     [not found]                 ` <house.786178243@helios>
1994-11-30 23:01                   ` Michael Feldman
1994-12-01 20:35                     ` Matt Kennel
1994-12-04 22:16                       ` Michael Feldman
1994-12-08 14:27                         ` gamache
1994-12-09 10:27                           ` Peter Hermann
1994-12-02  8:23                     ` Paul Johnson
1994-12-02 15:11                       ` Robert I. Eachus
1994-12-07  9:48                       ` Stephen J Bevan
1994-12-08  8:16                         ` Paul Johnson
1994-11-30 23:10                   ` Richard Riehle
1994-12-01  3:14                   ` Michael Coburn
1994-12-02 23:46                     ` Bob Duff
1994-12-05 15:08                       ` Jules
1994-12-05 19:10                         ` Bob Duff
1994-12-01 21:02                   ` Robert Dewar
1994-12-02 21:36                     ` Michael Feldman
1994-12-03 18:44                       ` David Weller
1994-12-05 15:37                       ` Norman H. Cohen
1994-12-05 16:11                         ` M. J. Saltzman
1994-12-06  2:37                           ` Michael Feldman
1994-12-06 12:33                             ` M. J. Saltzman
1994-12-06 15:30                               ` Arne Dehli Halvorsen
1994-12-05 19:14                         ` Bob Duff
1994-12-06 13:22                         ` Robert Dewar
1994-12-06 17:14                           ` Mark S. Hathaway
1994-12-05 15:23                     ` Norman H. Cohen
1994-12-05 23:48                       ` Thomas M. Breuel
1994-12-01 21:11                   ` Sten Drescher
1994-11-28 14:00             ` Robert Dewar
1994-11-28 14:02             ` Robert Dewar
1994-11-28 14:27               ` Robert I. Eachus
1994-11-29  4:05                 ` Michael Feldman
1994-11-29 18:24                   ` IanMaclure
1994-11-30 16:26                     ` David Weller
1994-12-01 21:24                       ` Robert Dewar
1994-11-30  8:41                   ` Paul Johnson
1994-11-30 23:07                     ` Michael Feldman
1994-11-30 19:53                   ` Davidson Corry
1994-11-30 20:15                   ` Richard Riehle
1994-12-01 15:28                     ` Paige Vinall
1994-12-02  5:25                     ` Robert Dewar
1994-12-02 21:45                       ` Michael Feldman
1994-12-03  5:43                         ` Keith Thompson
1994-12-04 22:39                           ` Michael Feldman
1994-12-05 22:57                             ` Robert Dewar
1994-12-06  2:48                               ` Michael Feldman
1994-12-08  4:10                                 ` Robert Dewar
1994-12-06  3:29                             ` Keith Thompson
1994-12-08 10:49                               ` Robert Dewar
1994-12-08 10:51                               ` Robert Dewar
1994-12-09  1:50                                 ` Keith Thompson
1994-12-09  3:16                                 ` Michael Feldman
1994-12-10 13:50                                   ` Robert Dewar
1994-12-10 13:51                                   ` Robert Dewar
1994-12-06  4:53                             ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1994-12-07  0:46                               ` Robin Vowels
1994-12-07  0:49                               ` Robin Vowels
1994-12-05  0:03                           ` Matt Kennel
1994-12-05 22:59                             ` Robert Dewar
1994-12-06  2:51                               ` Michael Feldman
1994-12-07  5:46                                 ` Kenneth Almquist
1994-12-08  4:11                                 ` Robert Dewar
1994-12-03 21:09                       ` Paige Vinall
1994-12-06  7:16                         ` Richard Riehle
1994-12-07 17:46                           ` David Kehs
1994-12-08 10:48                           ` Robert Dewar
1994-12-07 18:23                   ` Bob Dalgleish
1994-11-30  9:51             ` Andre Spiegel
1994-11-30 22:19               ` greg harvey
1994-11-30 23:08               ` Michael Feldman
1994-11-15  4:15   ` Brian J. Zimbelman
1994-11-15  9:40     ` David Emery
1994-11-15 16:17       ` Martijn Dekker
1994-11-17 20:39         ` Doug Robertson
1994-11-18  4:54           ` Scott McLoughlin
1994-11-18  9:12             ` Peter Hermann
1994-11-18 20:43           ` Hugh Miles
1994-11-22  8:36             ` Paul Johnson
1994-11-23 22:16           ` Gerrit Thomson
1994-11-24  1:23             ` Todd Dunnavant
1994-11-26 16:49               ` Jules
1994-11-30 15:27                 ` John Goodsen
1994-11-21 19:12       ` Jules
1994-11-23 17:25         ` Gary McKee
1994-11-25 14:16           ` Jules
1994-12-30 18:20       ` gjong
1994-11-15 11:55     ` David Weller
1994-11-15 14:34       ` Steven Whatley
1994-11-15 16:06         ` David Weller
1994-11-16 17:51           ` Tony Langdon
1994-11-17  5:04         ` Carlos Perez
1994-11-15 20:39       ` Brian J. Zimbelman
1994-11-16  4:58       ` Dan Thies
1994-11-16 18:21         ` Pete Gontier
1994-11-17 16:54           ` Dirk Broer
1994-11-15 15:56     ` Erland Sommarskog
1994-11-16 17:32       ` James A. Krzyzanowski
1994-11-16 23:04         ` Weiqi Gao
1994-11-19 19:07           ` Jules
1994-11-19 18:43   ` Jules
1994-11-19 19:38     ` Alistair James Robert Young
1994-11-23 15:40       ` Jules
1994-11-24 15:28         ` Alistair James Robert Young
1994-11-24 21:07           ` Brian Duff
1994-11-27 11:55           ` Andrew Dunstan
1994-11-16  5:04 ` Dan Thies
1994-11-16 13:37   ` Why don't we take this thread to Ada and c only? Michael R. Fronheiser
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