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From: dmitry@elros.cbb-automation.de (Dmitry Kazakov)
Subject: Re: ada vs. cpp
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 11:01:01 GMT
Date: 2001-10-10T11:01:01+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3bc40a3f.4768875@news.cis.dfn.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 9pv54d$9aa1@news.cis.okstate.edu

On 9 Oct 2001 15:29:17 GMT, David Starner
<dvdeug@x8b4e53cd.dhcp.okstate.edu> wrote:

>On Tue, 09 Oct 2001 08:36:20 -0500, Wes Groleau <wwgrol@sparc01.ftw.rsc.raytheon.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Ada doesn't have integers. What does that say about Ada?
>> 
>> Is this a troll or genuine ignorance?
>
>The post to which I was responding claimed that C++ doesn't have
>strings. By just as valid logic, Ada doesn't have integers; there are no
>types (even library types) that can represent all of the integers.

1. If you mean that Ada has no type to represent the whole set of all
integers, yes it is true. [as well as it is for all other languages
designed for finite discrete machines]

2. If you mean that Ada does not have an integer type that acts like
C's unsigned int, then you are wrong. [see modular numeric types in
Ada, which are far more generic and comfortable than their limited
equivalents in C]

3. If you mean that Ada has no int-like numeric type with an undefined
reaction on overflows. Well, is an undefined behaviour good?

4. If your point is that a language *has* all types [all programs, all
whatsoever] one could develop using the language then well, all
languages are more or less equivalent. What is not equivalent is the
developing and maintenance costs [which possibly could  be interesting
for customers. Less interesting for them of course, is a kind of
perplexity a programmer might feel when he/she must to switch from Ada
to C++]

>Somehow, Ada people don't like the idea; it seems to be less than
>conducive to communication.

Regards,
Dmitry Kazakov



  reply	other threads:[~2001-10-10 11:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 148+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-10-03 20:42 ada vs. cpp Ralph M�ritz
2001-10-03 20:56 ` Preben Randhol
2001-10-03 21:07   ` Ralph M�ritz
2001-10-04  5:08     ` Pi
2001-10-04  5:07       ` Ed Falis
2001-10-04  5:13       ` David Starner
2001-10-04 10:57         ` Preben Randhol
2001-10-04 13:18           ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-04 16:30             ` Pascal Obry
2001-10-04 17:05               ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-05 15:22               ` Mike Mohr
2001-10-06  9:15                 ` Pascal Obry
2001-10-06 11:23                   ` MM
2001-10-06 12:27                     ` Marc A. Criley
2001-10-06 16:53                     ` James Rogers
2001-10-09 13:51                     ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-09 14:13                       ` James Rogers
2001-10-09 14:25                         ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-10 16:46                           ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2001-10-09 15:10                         ` Robert*
2001-10-09 16:17                           ` James Rogers
2001-10-11 12:03                             ` David Botton
2001-10-09 14:43                       ` Robert*
2001-10-09 15:18                         ` Wes Groleau
2001-10-09 18:21                           ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-09 20:37                             ` James Rogers
2001-10-09 16:21                         ` James Rogers
2001-10-09 16:43                           ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2001-10-10  5:18                         ` Richard Riehle
2001-10-10 13:21                           ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-10 14:15                           ` Wes Groleau
2001-10-22  2:07                             ` David Thompson
2001-10-22 13:35                               ` Wes Groleau
2001-10-22 19:14                                 ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2001-10-23  5:40                               ` Richard Riehle
2001-10-09 15:06                       ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
     [not found]                       ` <9pv2f20jf4@drn.newsguy <3BC3240B.96703A8B@worldnet.att.net>
2001-10-10  5:47                         ` Simon Wright
2001-10-06 22:38                   ` Frode Tennebø
2001-10-06 23:48                     ` mike
2001-10-07  7:31                       ` Pascal Obry
2001-10-08 14:55                   ` Mike Mohr
2001-10-08 15:07                     ` Mike Mohr
2001-10-08 16:34                     ` Robert*
2001-10-08 17:47                       ` Mike Mohr
2001-10-08 18:38                         ` Robert*
2001-10-09 14:56                           ` Mike Mohr
2001-10-09 15:20                             ` Wes Groleau
2001-10-09 16:14                             ` Steven Deller
2001-10-09 16:55                             ` Pascal Obry
2001-10-08 19:19                         ` James Rogers
2001-10-09  8:17                         ` Pascal Obry
2001-10-09 15:46                         ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-09 17:35                           ` Mike Mohr
2001-10-09 18:45                             ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-08 18:02                   ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-09  4:59               ` David Thompson
2001-10-04 13:16         ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-05  7:50         ` Dmitry Kazakov
2001-10-05 13:31           ` David Starner
2001-10-05 15:34             ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-05 17:49               ` David Starner
2001-10-05 18:54                 ` Wes Groleau
2001-10-05 22:02                   ` James Rogers
2001-10-05 22:35                     ` Wes Groleau
2001-10-06  3:44                   ` David Starner
2001-10-08  8:18             ` Dmitry Kazakov
2001-10-08 13:33               ` David Starner
2001-10-09 13:36                 ` Wes Groleau
2001-10-09 15:29                   ` David Starner
2001-10-10 11:01                     ` Dmitry Kazakov [this message]
2001-10-10 11:20                       ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2001-10-10 12:14                         ` Robert*
2001-10-10 13:31                           ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2001-10-10 14:36                         ` Steven Deller
2001-10-10 14:59                           ` Wes Groleau
2001-10-10 15:15                           ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2001-10-10 15:16                           ` Dmitry Kazakov
2001-10-10 16:10                             ` Florian Weimer
2001-10-11  8:02                               ` Dmitry Kazakov
2001-10-10 15:59                         ` Brian Rogoff
2001-10-10 18:50                           ` David Starner
2001-10-11  9:28                             ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2001-10-10 14:03                       ` David Starner
2001-10-10 16:40                         ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-10 17:53                         ` Pascal Obry
2001-10-10 23:11                           ` David Starner
2001-10-11  3:00                             ` James Rogers
2001-10-22  2:10                               ` David Thompson
2001-10-05 13:52           ` James Rogers
2001-10-05 14:28             ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-10-05 14:07           ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-16  4:52           ` David Thompson
2001-10-16 10:21             ` Dmitry Kazakov
2001-11-13  2:12               ` David Thompson
2001-11-13 10:21                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2001-11-13 16:05                   ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-14  9:29                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2001-10-04  6:01       ` mike
2001-10-04  8:42         ` Pi
2001-10-04 12:22           ` James Rogers
2001-10-04 17:50         ` perl Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2001-10-04 19:27           ` perl maa
2001-10-05 12:15             ` perl Georg Bauhaus
2001-10-04 19:28           ` perl Larry Kilgallen
2001-10-05  7:24           ` perl Lutz Donnerhacke
2001-10-05 12:38             ` perl Georg Bauhaus
2001-10-06 19:00               ` perl Florian Weimer
2001-10-04 16:26       ` ada vs. cpp Pascal Obry
2001-10-04 18:47         ` David Botton
2001-10-04 22:29         ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2001-10-04 22:31           ` Wes Groleau
2001-10-04 22:52           ` Preben Randhol
2001-10-05 12:43             ` Georg Bauhaus
2001-10-05 13:09               ` Preben Randhol
2001-10-06  1:05         ` Mike Silva
2001-10-04 13:50     ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-03 21:03 ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-04  2:40 ` Jeff
2001-10-05  1:23 ` Adrian Hoe
2001-10-05  4:34   ` mike
2001-10-05  4:42   ` mike
2001-10-05 11:13     ` Adrian Hoe
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-10-12 20:54 Richard Pinkall-Pollei
2001-10-12 21:28 ` Vector..
2001-10-13  7:07   ` Dale Stanbrough
2001-10-14  8:15   ` Jean-Marc Bourguet
2001-10-15 10:04   ` Nexus
2001-10-15 12:18   ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2001-10-15 21:25     ` Florian Weimer
2001-10-22  2:08       ` David Thompson
2001-10-22  7:04         ` Florian Weimer
2001-10-22  7:31           ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2001-11-13  2:12           ` David Thompson
2001-10-16  8:47     ` Jean-Marc Bourguet
2001-10-16 10:08       ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2001-10-16 11:07         ` Jean-Marc Bourguet
2001-10-16 12:00           ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2001-10-16 19:08           ` Darren New
2001-10-16 15:46         ` Florian Weimer
2001-10-16 19:31           ` Stephen Leake
2001-10-16 20:13             ` Florian Weimer
2001-10-16 21:42               ` Stephen Leake
2001-10-17  8:37                 ` Florian Weimer
2001-10-17  8:45                   ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2001-10-16 13:45       ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-16 13:54         ` Jean-Marc Bourguet
2001-10-16 13:54         ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2001-10-15 13:44   ` Marin David Condic
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