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From: dmitry@elros.cbb-automation.de (Dmitry Kazakov)
Subject: Re: Static typing (Was Re: Better support for garbage collection)
Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 11:29:36 GMT
Date: 2001-04-02T11:29:36+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3ac85c82.13458000@news.cis.dfn.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: mailman.985985194.14071.comp.lang.ada@ada.eu.org

On Fri, 30 Mar 2001 12:44:57 -0800, "Robert C. Leif, Ph.D."
<rleif@rleif.com> wrote:

>From: Bob Leif
>To: Dmitry Kazakov et al.
>Are you proposing that Universal_Integer, Universal_Float,
>Universal_Character, etc. become visible types that can be explicitly used
>in type conversions including where an object of a type like integer can be
>converted to being of type Universal_Integer. Would it include subprograms
>like:
>function "+"   (Left : Integer'Base; Right : Universal_Integer) return
>Integer'Base;
>
>This would be very useful, since it would facilitate the use of private
>numeric types. I have yet to be able to cleanly use a private type
>Data_16_Type and directly add a literal to it.
>I would like:
>function To_Data_16_Type(The_Universal_Integer: Universal_Integer) return
>Data_16_Type;
>
>In essence these Universal_Types could now be used to explicitly specify the
>classes of integers, floats, and characters. I can see the danger of
>permitting programming with weakened types. However, these types could be
>included in a separate package Standard.Universal and be subject to the
>Pragma Restrictions or equivalent.

Yes and no. In my opinion instances of universal types may not exist
at run time. A universal_integer has an arbitrary length, its actual
representation is upon the compiler. So one may not have an object of
this type. In the end an instance of a universal type should be always
converted to some "legal" type. Yet with user-defined conversions one
will have an ability to explicitly add literals to a private type:

function <syntax-sugar> (Value : Integer) return Data_16_Type;

Then the following conversion path is applied:

123 (of universal_integer)->123 (of Integer)-> 123 (of Data_16_Type)

Further this issue is obviuosly relevant to another thread (where the
compile time routines are discussed). If such beasts were allowed then
one might have exactly what you mentioned:

function <syntax-sugar> (Value : Universal_Integer)
   return Data_16_Type;
??pragma <ensure-that-this-is-a-compile-time-function>;??

As for danger, it is immense, yet in modern times (take a look at
comp.object) strong-static-manifested typing is considered as an
evil?! (:-()

Regards,
Dmitry Kazakov




  reply	other threads:[~2001-04-02 11:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 115+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-03-13 18:37 Better support for garbage collection Nick Roberts
2001-03-14  8:16 ` Florian Weimer
2001-03-14 18:52   ` Robert A Duff
2001-03-14 19:40     ` Florian Weimer
2001-03-15 13:18       ` Nick Roberts
2001-03-14 19:29 ` Robert A Duff
2001-03-14 20:59   ` Brian Rogoff
2001-03-16 16:42     ` Robert A Duff
2001-03-17  6:13       ` Lao Xiao Hai
2001-03-24  4:08       ` Brian Rogoff
2001-03-15  4:35   ` Nick Roberts
2001-03-15 21:37     ` Randy Brukardt
2001-03-15 22:36     ` Stephen Leake
2001-03-16 16:26     ` Robert A Duff
2001-03-16 16:59       ` Brian Rogoff
2001-03-16 17:31         ` Robert A Duff
2001-03-16 18:29           ` Brian Rogoff
2001-03-17  2:30           ` Nick Roberts
2001-03-17 21:59             ` Robert A Duff
2001-03-17 22:57             ` Static typing (Was Re: Better support for garbage collection) Brian Rogoff
2001-03-17 23:45               ` Robert A Duff
2001-03-18  0:58                 ` Brian Rogoff
2001-03-19 15:24                   ` Robert A Duff
2001-03-20  4:21                     ` Brian Rogoff
2001-03-21  1:32                       ` Ken Garlington
2001-03-21 13:28                         ` Robert A Duff
2001-03-22  2:08                           ` Ken Garlington
2001-03-22 16:40                             ` Robert A Duff
2001-03-25 16:21                               ` Ken Garlington
2001-03-25 16:56                                 ` Ken Garlington
2001-03-25 22:31                                 ` Robert A Duff
2001-03-27  0:24                                   ` Ken Garlington
2001-03-28 23:15                                     ` Robert A Duff
2001-03-29  5:02                                       ` Ken Garlington
2001-03-29  6:13                                         ` David Starner
2001-03-29 10:10                                           ` AG
2001-03-29 14:28                                           ` Ken Garlington
2001-03-29 23:46                                         ` Robert A Duff
2001-03-30  3:41                                           ` Ken Garlington
2001-03-30 21:21                                             ` Robert A Duff
2001-03-31 19:30                                               ` Ken Garlington
2001-04-02 15:27                                                 ` Robert A Duff
2001-04-02 23:29                                                   ` Ken Garlington
2001-03-30 21:29                                             ` Robert A Duff
2001-03-30  9:16                                           ` Dmitry Kazakov
2001-03-30  9:51                                             ` Florian Weimer
2001-04-02  8:54                                               ` Dmitry Kazakov
2001-03-30 16:13                                             ` Ken Garlington
2001-04-02 11:00                                               ` Dmitry Kazakov
2001-03-30 20:44                                             ` Robert C. Leif, Ph.D.
2001-04-02 11:29                                               ` Dmitry Kazakov [this message]
2001-04-02 13:15                                                 ` Robert A Duff
2001-04-03  8:57                                                   ` Dmitry Kazakov
2001-03-27  2:39                             ` Andrew Berg
2001-03-27  3:33                               ` Ken Garlington
2001-03-27 14:23                                 ` Robert A Duff
2001-03-27 23:36                                   ` Ken Garlington
2001-03-29 23:50                       ` Robert A Duff
2001-03-19 18:24       ` Better support for garbage collection Tucker Taft
     [not found]   ` <87bsr46kxv.fsf@deneb.enyo.de>
2001-03-15 14:18     ` Robert A Duff
2001-03-15 16:36       ` Florian Weimer
2001-03-14 22:05 ` Laurent Guerby
2001-03-16 16:47   ` Robert A Duff
2001-03-16 19:46     ` Laurent Guerby
2001-03-16 20:10       ` Robert A Duff
2001-03-17 13:14         ` Support for per allocation pool selection (was: Better support for garbage collection) Laurent Guerby
2001-03-17 17:06           ` Robert A Duff
2001-03-17 19:19           ` Florian Weimer
2001-03-17 21:10             ` Robert A Duff
2001-03-15 17:56 ` Better support for garbage collection Ray Blaak
2001-03-21 16:15 ` Implementing C/C++ style #include bhazzard
2001-03-21 16:45   ` Marin David Condic
2001-03-22 15:13     ` Ira D. Baxter
2001-03-22 15:23       ` Marin David Condic
2001-03-25 15:45         ` Anton Gibbs
2001-03-26 14:24           ` Ted Dennison
2001-03-26 15:00             ` Marin David Condic
2001-03-26 14:49           ` Marin David Condic
2001-03-26 18:19             ` Stephen Leake
2001-03-26 18:44               ` Pascal Obry
2001-03-26 21:44                 ` Robert A Duff
2001-03-27  3:02                   ` Andrew Berg
2001-03-27  3:27                     ` Phaedrus
2001-03-27 17:41                   ` Pascal Obry
2001-03-26 19:18               ` Ted Dennison
2001-03-27 18:51                 ` Anton Gibbs
2001-03-26 19:35               ` Marin David Condic
2001-03-26 23:04                 ` Mark Lundquist
2001-03-27 14:38                   ` Marin David Condic
2001-03-26 16:12           ` Florian Weimer
2001-03-26 17:34             ` David Starner
2001-03-26 22:25               ` Florian Weimer
2001-03-27  3:29                 ` David Starner
2001-03-26 18:23             ` Stephen Leake
2001-03-26 22:34               ` Florian Weimer
2001-03-27  7:34         ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2001-03-27 12:43           ` Dale Stanbrough
2001-03-27 14:40             ` Marin David Condic
2001-03-27 15:01             ` Ted Dennison
2001-03-27 13:20           ` Preben Randhol
2001-03-23 17:39       ` Wes Groleau
2001-03-21 18:07   ` Mark Lundquist
2001-03-22 12:50   ` Chris M. Moore
2001-03-22 14:30     ` Marin David Condic
2001-03-22 21:15       ` singlespeeder
2001-03-22 21:42         ` Marin David Condic
2001-03-23 14:43           ` Georg Bauhaus
2001-03-23 18:51             ` Marin David Condic
2001-03-22 15:02     ` Pat Rogers
2001-03-22 15:28       ` Marin David Condic
2001-03-22 16:32       ` Chris M. Moore
2001-03-22 16:57       ` Robert A Duff
2001-03-26 16:13   ` Martin Dowie
2001-03-26 22:55   ` Phaedrus
2001-03-27  1:36     ` tmoran
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