From: "Robert I. Eachus" <rieachus@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: += in ada
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 16:26:26 GMT
Date: 2003-10-19T16:26:26+00:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <3F92BB1A.202@comcast.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: bebbba07.0310181737.5e370815@posting.google.com
Russ wrote:
> Oh, I see. So efficiency is no longer an issue. Well, excuse me, but I
> think we'd be better off leaving that judgment to each application
> developer. Controlling a building temperature is one thing, but
> delivering a cruise missile to Saddam Hussein's front door is quite
> another.
No. Efficiency on the level you are talking about, in Ada, is something
we delegate to the compiler. We want software engineers, safety
engineers, and security experts to be able to worry about much trickier
stuff. Do you want your security experts searching code for potential
buffer overruns, or looking for covert timing channels? In Ada, we
prefer to leave the stuff that machines can do best to machines.
> Do you have any idea whatsoever how much computation is potentially
> involved in computing optimal conflict-free trajectories for thousands
> of airplanes? Here's a suggestion: if you don't know WTF you are
> talking about, STFU.
If you would like to get serious on this subject, ask me about an Ada
implementation of the assignment problem that used sparse matrices, and
a very fast algorithm. (The air traffic control problem is just a huge
assignment problem. You want to assign aircraft to airspace most
efficiently, subject to the very important constraint that there is at
most one airplane in any available airspace. ;-) As for whether or not
that work is applicable to air traffic control, it was done as part of
the RSIP upgrade of AWACS. A major potential problem was that
increasing the radar sensitivity would be useless without the ability to
effectively track and manage all that traffic.
That is the level at which you should be worrying about efficiency, not
the micro efficency of allocating temporaries. And besides, as I said,
in modern CPUs, anything you learned about that in school is totally
obsolete. That probably includes all classes in Assembler being taught
right now.
--
Robert I. Eachus
"Quality is the Buddha. Quality is scientific reality. Quality is the
goal of Art. It remains to work these concepts into a practical,
down-to-earth context, and for this there is nothing more practical or
down-to-earth than what I have been talking about all along...the repair
of an old motorcycle." -- from Zen and the Art of Motorcycle
Maintenance by Robert Pirsig
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Thread overview: 303+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2003-09-25 16:25 += in ada Dmytry Lavrov
2003-10-01 8:35 ` Peter Amey
2003-10-01 12:38 ` Frank J. Lhota
2003-10-03 16:22 ` Isaac Gouy
2003-10-06 20:21 ` Russ
2003-10-06 22:47 ` (see below)
2003-10-04 20:17 ` Craig Carey
2003-10-06 7:36 ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2003-10-06 8:13 ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2003-10-06 22:49 ` Wes Groleau
2003-10-01 14:06 ` Gautier
2003-10-02 12:26 ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2003-10-02 13:03 ` Preben Randhol
2003-10-02 13:36 ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2003-10-02 21:28 ` Keith Thompson
2003-10-07 0:41 ` Russ
2003-10-07 10:05 ` Dmytry Lavrov
2003-10-07 11:56 ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2003-10-07 14:02 ` (see below)
2003-10-07 22:22 ` Russ
2003-10-07 23:52 ` (see below)
2003-10-08 6:08 ` Preben Randhol
2003-10-09 19:07 ` Russ
2003-10-09 19:42 ` Vinzent 'Gadget' Hoefler
[not found] ` <25oh51-uu2.ln1@beastie.ix.netcom.com>
2003-10-10 7:37 ` Preben Randhol
2003-10-10 18:56 ` Russ
2003-10-11 8:10 ` Preben Randhol
2003-10-11 8:30 ` Samuel Tardieu
2003-10-10 12:09 ` Vinzent 'Gadget' Hoefler
2003-10-10 7:34 ` Preben Randhol
2003-10-12 0:50 ` Wes Groleau
2003-10-12 8:24 ` Preben Randhol
2003-10-12 14:57 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-10-12 18:37 ` (see below)
2003-10-13 0:42 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-10-13 8:32 ` Dmytry Lavrov
2003-10-13 19:18 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-10-13 23:36 ` Alexandre E. Kopilovitch
2003-10-14 6:14 ` Vinzent 'Gadget' Hoefler
2003-10-14 15:19 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-10-30 21:43 ` ARG process (was += in ada) Randy Brukardt
2003-10-30 23:21 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-10-10 20:31 ` += in ada Dmytry Lavrov
2003-10-12 8:23 ` Dmytry Lavrov
2003-10-14 18:00 ` Russ
2003-10-14 18:15 ` Vinzent 'Gadget' Hoefler
2003-10-15 12:50 ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-10-15 13:25 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-10-15 14:04 ` Vinzent 'Gadget' Hoefler
2003-10-15 15:19 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-10-15 18:06 ` Vinzent 'Gadget' Hoefler
2003-10-15 18:53 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-10-15 19:34 ` Vinzent 'Gadget' Hoefler
2003-10-15 23:09 ` Alexandre E. Kopilovitch
2003-10-16 5:05 ` Russ
2003-10-16 12:07 ` Marin David Condic
2003-10-16 13:43 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-10-16 23:57 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-10-17 6:22 ` Russ
2003-10-17 6:38 ` Preben Randhol
2003-10-17 15:48 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-10-19 1:15 ` Russ
2003-10-19 16:04 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-10-19 23:59 ` Russ
2003-10-20 5:24 ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-10-20 5:52 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-10-20 12:40 ` Marin David Condic
2003-10-20 14:36 ` Preben Randhol
2003-10-21 0:23 ` Wes Groleau
2003-10-21 3:46 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-10-21 6:37 ` Russ
2003-10-21 10:10 ` Marius Amado Alves
2003-10-22 5:23 ` Russ
2003-10-20 14:34 ` Preben Randhol
2003-10-21 7:43 ` Russ
2003-10-21 12:45 ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2003-10-22 7:13 ` Russ
2003-10-22 8:48 ` Vinzent 'Gadget' Hoefler
2003-10-22 9:02 ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2003-10-22 18:21 ` Russ
2003-10-22 19:10 ` Vinzent 'Gadget' Hoefler
2003-10-23 5:24 ` + " Russ
2003-10-22 19:16 ` += " sk
2003-10-22 19:13 ` Vinzent 'Gadget' Hoefler
2003-10-23 5:16 ` Russ
2003-10-23 5:45 ` sk
2003-10-22 21:22 ` Russ
2003-10-23 2:23 ` Wes Groleau
2003-10-22 9:46 ` Preben Randhol
2003-10-22 8:01 ` Russ
2003-10-21 13:38 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-10-22 7:24 ` Russ
2003-10-22 19:50 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-10-23 5:34 ` Russ
2003-10-23 14:14 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-10-24 9:15 ` Peter Hermann
2003-10-24 10:11 ` Marius Amado Alves
2003-10-26 7:35 ` Pascal Obry
2003-10-24 11:20 ` Marin David Condic
2003-10-25 3:14 ` Russ
2003-10-25 5:07 ` Russ
2003-10-19 23:19 ` Robert A Duff
2003-10-20 6:16 ` Russ
2003-10-20 14:31 ` Preben Randhol
2003-10-20 17:10 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-10-20 17:53 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-10-20 19:11 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-10-20 19:32 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-10-20 23:24 ` Alexandre E. Kopilovitch
2003-10-21 0:40 ` Wes Groleau
2003-10-21 3:45 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-10-21 12:07 ` Preben Randhol
2003-10-21 12:18 ` Marius Amado Alves
2003-10-21 12:45 ` Marin David Condic
2003-10-21 14:46 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-10-21 17:54 ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-10-21 20:23 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-10-22 0:18 ` Wes Groleau
2003-10-22 4:07 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-10-22 20:41 ` Wes Groleau
2003-10-22 11:56 ` Marin David Condic
2003-10-22 0:14 ` Wes Groleau
2003-10-22 12:31 ` Early Ada Mistakes (was: Re: += in ada) Marin David Condic
2003-10-22 20:05 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-10-23 4:47 ` Marin David Condic
2003-10-23 14:36 ` Early Ada Mistakes Hyman Rosen
2003-10-23 19:04 ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-10-24 13:33 ` Preben Randhol
2003-10-24 16:59 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-10-23 19:08 ` Wes Groleau
2003-10-23 22:17 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-10-24 11:26 ` Marin David Condic
2003-10-23 18:50 ` Wes Groleau
2003-10-22 21:00 ` Wes Groleau
2003-10-23 4:53 ` Marin David Condic
2003-10-22 6:56 ` += in ada Russ
2003-10-22 7:26 ` Preben Randhol
2003-10-22 11:27 ` Stephane Richard
2003-10-22 20:12 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-10-22 20:52 ` Wes Groleau
[not found] ` <emte61-d03.ln1@beastie.ix.netcom.com>
2003-10-21 12:57 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-10-21 2:43 ` Alexandre E. Kopilovitch
2003-10-21 9:39 ` Stephane Richard
2003-10-19 22:26 ` Wes Groleau
2003-10-16 4:31 ` + " Russ
2003-10-16 8:57 ` += " Vinzent 'Gadget' Hoefler
2003-10-16 20:56 ` + " Georg Bauhaus
2003-10-16 4:04 ` += " Russ
2003-10-16 8:57 ` Vinzent 'Gadget' Hoefler
2003-10-17 3:03 ` Wes Groleau
2003-10-17 11:46 ` Marin David Condic
2003-10-17 11:50 ` Preben Randhol
2003-10-17 12:40 ` sk
2003-10-17 12:48 ` Preben Randhol
2003-10-15 14:16 ` Dmytry Lavrov
2003-10-16 5:40 ` Russ
2003-10-16 12:45 ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2003-10-16 22:07 ` Russ
2003-10-17 9:10 ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2003-10-16 13:48 ` Dmytry Lavrov
2003-10-16 20:46 ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-10-17 2:37 ` Russ
2003-10-17 3:01 ` sk
2003-10-17 5:42 ` Russ
2003-10-17 11:26 ` sk
2003-10-17 20:24 ` Dmytry Lavrov
2003-10-17 3:52 ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-10-17 6:32 ` Preben Randhol
2003-10-17 8:48 ` Dmytry Lavrov
2003-10-16 1:25 ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-10-19 23:50 ` Robert A Duff
2003-10-20 5:52 ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-10-07 18:28 ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-10-10 19:56 ` Dmytry Lavrov
2003-10-20 7:41 ` idem (Was: += in ada) Jacob Sparre Andersen
2003-10-20 8:28 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-10-20 8:34 ` (see below)
2003-10-31 22:40 ` Nick Roberts
2003-10-14 9:52 ` += in ada Stuart Palin
2003-10-16 8:49 ` Russ
2003-10-16 12:46 ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2003-10-16 13:46 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-10-16 15:42 ` Mark A. Biggar
2003-10-16 16:48 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-10-17 0:26 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-10-17 1:26 ` Marin David Condic
2003-10-17 3:59 ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-10-17 11:54 ` Marin David Condic
2003-10-17 20:35 ` Russ
2003-10-19 22:22 ` Wes Groleau
2003-10-19 1:37 ` Russ
2003-10-19 3:16 ` sk
2003-10-19 14:10 ` Preben Randhol
2003-10-19 14:29 ` Marin David Condic
2003-10-20 2:47 ` Russ
2003-10-20 3:03 ` Vinzent 'Gadget' Hoefler
2003-10-20 5:47 ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-10-20 12:56 ` Marin David Condic
2003-10-20 6:19 ` Ross Higson
2003-10-21 17:30 ` Russ
2003-10-21 18:40 ` sk
2003-10-22 7:35 ` Russ
2003-10-21 23:28 ` Ross Higson
2003-10-21 23:55 ` Jerry Petrey
2003-10-22 7:35 ` Preben Randhol
2003-10-20 16:30 ` Martin Dowie
2003-10-20 17:05 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-10-20 17:46 ` Martin Dowie
2003-10-20 18:01 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-10-21 0:57 ` Wes Groleau
2003-10-21 1:46 ` Stephane Richard
2003-10-21 3:38 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-10-21 8:49 ` Martin Dowie
2003-10-21 9:04 ` Marius Amado Alves
2003-10-21 13:00 ` Marin David Condic
2003-10-21 13:37 ` Marius Amado Alves
2003-10-21 14:50 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-10-21 15:01 ` Stephane Richard
2003-10-21 15:03 ` Stephane Richard
2003-10-21 15:07 ` Vinzent 'Gadget' Hoefler
2003-10-21 15:13 ` Stephane Richard
2003-10-21 15:58 ` (see below)
2003-10-21 15:24 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-10-21 16:44 ` Marius Amado Alves
2003-10-22 7:32 ` Preben Randhol
2003-10-22 8:48 ` Vinzent 'Gadget' Hoefler
2003-10-22 20:24 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-10-27 12:01 ` Vinzent 'Gadget' Hoefler
2003-10-27 17:31 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-10-21 13:01 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-10-21 4:49 ` sk
2003-10-21 21:19 ` Simon Wright
2003-10-22 4:37 ` sk
2003-10-19 14:40 ` chris
2003-10-19 15:12 ` Stephane Richard
2003-10-19 16:26 ` Robert I. Eachus [this message]
2003-10-20 2:02 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-10-20 6:12 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-10-20 12:50 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-10-20 17:53 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-10-20 18:03 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-10-21 1:35 ` Marin David Condic
2003-10-21 3:05 ` Alexandre E. Kopilovitch
2003-10-21 3:30 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-10-21 13:22 ` Alexandre E. Kopilovitch
2003-10-21 15:02 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-10-19 21:09 ` Dmytry Lavrov
2003-10-17 14:15 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-10-17 14:40 ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2003-10-17 15:40 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-10-17 15:49 ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2003-10-17 20:43 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-10-17 16:02 ` Preben Randhol
2003-10-17 16:06 ` Preben Randhol
2003-10-19 22:36 ` Wes Groleau
2003-10-18 0:08 ` Russ
2003-10-18 10:31 ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-10-20 5:35 ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-10-20 13:00 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-10-20 14:27 ` (see below)
2003-10-20 15:58 ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-10-16 21:53 ` Russ
2003-10-17 8:20 ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2003-10-17 14:21 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-10-17 14:42 ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2003-10-17 15:46 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-10-17 15:35 ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-10-17 16:02 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-10-17 17:20 ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-10-16 8:57 ` Vinzent 'Gadget' Hoefler
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-10-01 8:54 christoph.grein
2003-10-04 12:51 ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-10-13 9:22 christoph.grein
2003-10-13 18:38 ` Wes Groleau
2003-10-13 18:59 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-10-16 8:25 + " Lionel.DRAGHI
2003-10-16 13:22 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-10-16 14:30 ` Vinzent 'Gadget' Hoefler
2003-10-16 16:13 ` Russ
2003-10-16 21:47 ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-10-17 20:03 ` Russ
2003-10-16 15:55 Lionel.DRAGHI
2003-10-17 8:58 Lionel.DRAGHI
2003-10-20 10:42 += " christoph.grein
2003-10-21 6:16 ` Russ
2003-10-21 8:25 ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2003-10-21 8:40 += in Ada Marius Amado Alves
2003-10-21 8:41 += in ada christoph.grein
2003-10-22 5:00 ` Russ
2003-10-21 8:53 christoph.grein
2003-10-21 13:48 ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2003-10-22 7:31 ` Russ
2003-10-22 8:02 ` Preben Randhol
2003-10-22 11:41 ` Stephane Richard
2003-10-22 15:17 ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-10-22 15:47 ` Preben Randhol
2003-10-22 15:07 ` Martin Dowie
2003-10-21 10:03 christoph.grein
[not found] <1066725615.2801.26.camel@localhost.localdomain>
2003-10-21 11:57 ` += in Ada sk
2003-10-21 12:07 += in ada christoph.grein
2003-10-21 13:51 ` Preben Randhol
[not found] <3F957DAD.2020801@myob.com>
2003-10-21 21:16 ` Alexandre E. Kopilovitch
[not found] ` <nSp8Qb_KxF@vib.usr.pu.ru>
2003-10-21 21:40 ` sk
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