From: "Robert I. Eachus" <rieachus@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: stupid question
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 22:18:56 GMT
Date: 2003-10-08T22:18:56+00:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <3F848D37.1070808@comcast.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: d8f235a4.0310071912.563d16ea@posting.google.com
Shanon Fernald wrote:
> What programming language do you think would be best to use if you
> were building the software to manage a nuclear power plant and why?
> Which would let you sleep best at night knowing you lived next door to
> the plant?
My first choice would be "none." There is no need to use software to
control a nuclear reactor, and the safest nuclear reactors use that
philosophy. It is fine to use software to display the state of the
reactor, calculate fuel burns and refueling patterns, and so on. (My
second choice would be SPARK, and it is certainly a reasonable choice
for the software that controls the rest of the plant.)
For most nuclear reactors the response time to control inputs is
measured in hours, and there are at most a dozen primary controls. Yes,
you can see the reactor begin to respond to control inputs in minutes,
but the full response, even to a scram, takes hours to days. A lot of
people, including me, thought that the zirconium spacers that B&W used
in the Three Mile Island reactors and a couple of others cut this
"think" time to around eight minutes from say, four hours. It did allow
a few percentage points more of the fuel to be burned, but it didn't
seem worth the agony relative to the Westinghouse PWR design.
GE reactors are boiling water reactors instead of pressurized water
reactors. I won't go into all the differences that makes, but it means
that the water in the core is a mixture of steam and water when the
reactor is running. Since the reactor is designed with a negative void
coefficient, and the steam is less dense than water, even under the
reactor operating conditions, they are even more self-regulating. With
a BWR, if an operator makes one control change during his shift, it is
probably to pretend that he has something to do other than to look at
gages and check logs.
Liquid metal fast breeder reactors (LMFBRs) on the other hand may have
response times to control inputs in seconds. And with a positive void
coefficient if you lose control, that's it. Right now, the French are
the only ones I know of who have LMFBRs. If I lived in France, or even
downwind, I'd move.
--
Robert I. Eachus
"Quality is the Buddha. Quality is scientific reality. Quality is the
goal of Art. It remains to work these concepts into a practical,
down-to-earth context, and for this there is nothing more practical or
down-to-earth than what I have been talking about all along...the repair
of an old motorcycle." -- from Zen and the Art of Motorcycle
Maintenance by Robert Pirsig
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Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2003-10-08 3:12 stupid question Shanon Fernald
2003-10-08 3:31 ` James Rogers
2003-10-08 4:34 ` Steve
2003-10-08 12:54 ` Marin David Condic
2003-10-08 13:01 ` Marin David Condic
2003-10-08 22:18 ` Robert I. Eachus [this message]
2003-10-09 10:09 ` Steffen Huber
2003-10-10 16:02 ` Robert I. Eachus
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2007-04-12 20:05 Stupid question Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-04-12 21:40 ` Adam Beneschan
2007-04-12 22:02 ` Adam Beneschan
2007-04-13 8:20 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-04-13 13:53 ` Anh Vo
2007-04-13 15:35 ` Adam Beneschan
2007-04-13 17:12 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-04-13 18:14 ` Adam Beneschan
2007-04-13 18:50 ` Adam Beneschan
2007-04-13 19:01 ` Randy Brukardt
2007-04-13 19:33 ` Markus E Leypold
2007-04-13 23:39 ` Randy Brukardt
2007-04-14 7:25 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
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