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From: "Robert I. Eachus" <rieachus@attbi.com>
Subject: Re: A Customer's Request For Open Source Software
Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 03:02:14 GMT
Date: 2003-09-03T03:02:14+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3F5559A4.8030507@attbi.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: e2e5731a.0309010Organization: LJK Software <og4DamrQ9AuX@eisner.encompasserve.org

Larry Kilgallen wrote:
> In article <3F53B88E.7040405@attbi.com>, "Robert I. Eachus" <rieachus@attbi.com> writes:
> 
> 
>>As I said, most RDBMSs already have the ability to bypass the OS and 
>>access disk drives directly.
 >
> They do ?  On what operating systems ?

I guess we have a different idea of what bypassing the OS means. I was 
thinking of for example, Oracle on Solaris.  You can go through the file 
system, bypass the file system and have Oracle manage a partition (raw 
mode), or give Oracle full control of the DISK device or devices.  But 
even then you are right, the DBMS uses the standard device drivers.  The 
difference is that if Oracle controls the entire disk, it can take 
control of the head positioning and other driver level functions.

> I know compilers that read source that way, relying upon the OS paging
> in the data as appropriate.  But it is an individual performance/coding
> tradeoff, not applied so universally as in Multics.

Well, in Multics it is universal because there is no user level 
distinction between main memory and disk storage.  It is all memory, and 
once you have linked to a segment, there are no further OS level 
commands to read and write it.  Well, technically not. You could break 
the link to the segment if you wanted, or were running out of segment 
descriptors in your process.  But breaking links was more likely to be a 
side effect of deleting the segment.

A bit of magic here.  If you were compiling a file that was part of an 
application the compiler would normally rename the old version of the 
code segment, not delete it.  That way if someone else--or you in a 
different process--were executing the old code, the segment was still 
there.  But you could then delete the old version to force users to use 
the new copy.  What if the segment you were compiling was part of the 
operating system?  Why should that be any different?  So you could 
modify Multics on the fly.

Occasionally with early versions of Multics, there were "flag days". 
There was an incompatable change to the OS, so at a particular point all 
the affected old segments were replaced with new versions.  But they 
soon stopped.  The reason that flag days happened was usually that 
someone had concluded that some data structure did not need an internal 
version number.  Pretty soon it became accepted wisdom on Multics that 
every OS data structure needed a version number, including structures 
that contained structures with version numbers.

-- 
                                          Robert I. Eachus

"As far as I'm concerned, war always means failure." -- Jacques Chirac, 
President of France
"As far as France is concerned, you're right." -- Rush Limbaugh




  parent reply	other threads:[~2003-09-03  3:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 106+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-08-21 12:35 A Customer's Request For Open Source Software Marin David Condic
2003-08-21 12:46 ` Stephane Richard
2003-08-22 12:32   ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-22 13:38     ` David Holm
2003-08-22 14:33       ` Stephane Richard
2003-08-22 16:40         ` David Holm
2003-08-23 13:18           ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-25  8:27             ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-25 20:50               ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-08-26  1:28                 ` Stephane Richard
2003-08-26  9:27                   ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-26 17:06                     ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-08-26 12:51                   ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-26 18:25                     ` Wes Groleau
2003-08-27 10:05                     ` Dave Head
2003-08-27 12:11                       ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-27 19:45                       ` [off-topic] military medicine Wes Groleau
2003-08-30 17:33               ` A Customer's Request For Open Source Software Jan Kroken
2003-09-01 10:03                 ` Preben Randhol
2003-09-17 18:21                   ` Jan Kroken
2003-08-22 16:46         ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-08-22 17:09           ` Stephane Richard
2003-08-22 18:03             ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-08-25  8:33             ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-23 13:05       ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-30  5:58     ` Adrian Hoe
2003-08-30 11:09       ` Stephane Richard
     [not found]         ` <rti721-4p3.ln1@beastie.ix.netcom.com>
2003-08-31 18:28           ` Christopher Browne
2003-09-02 15:44             ` Adrian Hoe
2003-08-30 13:18       ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-21 20:46 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-08-21 21:12   ` Stephane Richard
2003-08-22 20:26     ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-08-22  3:09   ` Hyman Rosen
2003-08-22 12:45     ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-22 20:46     ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-08-22 12:37   ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-22 18:59     ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-08-22 20:59       ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-08-23 13:24         ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-25 19:35         ` Brien
2003-08-25  8:52   ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-25 16:32     ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-08-26  9:19       ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-26 21:01         ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-08-27  5:15           ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-21 22:53 ` David Holm
2003-08-21 23:11   ` Stephane Richard
2003-08-22  0:04     ` David Holm
2003-08-22  0:17       ` Stephane Richard
2003-08-22  0:19       ` Stephane Richard
2003-08-22 17:49         ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-08-22 20:56           ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-08-23  2:29             ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-08-24  2:54               ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-08-24  3:11                 ` Matthew Heaney
2003-08-24 14:57                 ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-24 16:31                   ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-08-25 12:37                     ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-25 14:08                       ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-08-25 21:07                         ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-08-26 18:34                       ` Christopher Browne
2003-08-27 12:21                         ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-27 13:37                           ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-08-28 22:04                 ` chris
2003-08-29  1:02                   ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-08-29 10:46                     ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-08-29 21:15                       ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-08-29 16:10                     ` Jon S. Anthony
2003-08-30 19:01                     ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-08-30 22:57                       ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-08-31 23:04                         ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-09-01  2:09                           ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-01 16:29                             ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-09-01 21:22                               ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-02  2:12                                 ` Christopher Browne
2003-09-02  4:16                                   ` Ludovic Brenta
2003-09-02 14:53                                     ` Christopher Browne
2003-09-02 19:52                                       ` Charlie Spitzer
2003-09-03  2:18                                     ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-12 12:21                                   ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2003-09-12 17:49                                     ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-13  5:49                                       ` Edward Rice
2003-09-13 18:59                                         ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-12 20:45                                     ` Christopher Browne
2003-09-02 16:16                                 ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-09-03  2:36                                   ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-01 21:44                             ` Larry Kilgallen
     [not found]                             ` <e2e5731a.0309010Organization: LJK Software <og4DamrQ9AuX@eisner.encompasserve.org>
2003-09-03  3:02                               ` Robert I. Eachus [this message]
2003-09-03 16:57                                 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-09-04  7:19                                   ` olehjalmar kristensen - Sun Microsystems - Trondheim Norway
2003-09-05 17:06                                     ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-09-05 19:27                                     ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-03 12:38                             ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-09-06  2:10                             ` Larry Kilgallen
     [not found]                             ` <e2e5731a.03090Organization: LJK Software <D1upWhxUuOLF@eisner.encompasserve.org>
2003-09-06 20:34                               ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-09-06 23:36                             ` Larry Kilgallen
     [not found]                       ` <hli721-4p3.ln1@beastie.ix.netcom.com>
2003-08-31  2:35                         ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-08-22 20:49       ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-08-23  1:47     ` jim hopper
2003-08-23  1:47       ` Ludovic Brenta
2003-08-25  9:12         ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-25  8:59     ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-25  8:02 ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-25 20:55   ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-08-26  9:28     ` Preben Randhol
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