From: Marin David Condic <nobody@noplace.com>
Subject: Re: Realtime/embedded project to help with employment.
Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 08:22:50 -0400
Date: 2003-08-17T12:22:55+00:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <3F3F739A.8040308@noplace.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: any%a.3738$q9.202610@read1.cgocable.net
I think you're over-complicating it. To start with, how do you enforce
the GPL? Realistically, I bet there are thousands of examples of someone
out there getting GPL'ed code and doing something with it and not
distributing source or otherwise violating the license. How are they
caught and prosecuted? They aren't. They are doing something so small
that it falls below the radar. You're *never* going to enforce the
license 100%, so get over that and look at what really counts -
enforcing a license on the users big enough to get noticed.
How do you collect and distribute the revenue from the license? People
are collecting revenues on software licenses every day. It doesn't take
a team of lawyers to purchase some piece of software, read the license
and understand what you're allowedd to do with it, so I think all the
objections I've heard here about needing a team of lawyers is just plain
FUD.
The only complication is how do you reasonably fairly distribute the
revenues. That is also not insurmountable so long as you don't insist
that it be absolutely, 100% equitable in every circumstance. (Is it ever
100% equitable in life? Are salaries or bonuses ever 100% equitable?)
You have two possibilities: A single author and multiple authors. If a
license for X is sold and there is a single author, then the single
author gets the license fee minus some overhead. For multiple authors,
you need some agreed-upon percentage split of fees between the authors.
A code counting tool of some sort could give a crude approximation. A
deal agreed to by the authors upon submitting the product to the broker
might be an option. Its not impossible to find some way of doing it that
is reasonably fair and equitable.
The alternative, of course, is to just give away everything and ask for
nothing in return. "Cashing my paycheck is so complicated! I've got to
have a driver's license and a bank account and know how to sign my name
and balance my checkbook and all that... I think I'll just rip it up and
work for free." :-)
MDC
Warren W. Gay VE3WWG wrote:
>
> But there are still many issues left:
>
> - how do you split the profits? Use ASIS? What if some code is
> considered rocket science while other code is "fluffy"?
> - How do you enforce your license? Does every vendor have to
> write their own software "lock" software?
> - How do clients move their software to new machines (do you have
> to issues new keys, or does this org do it for you? Do they
> have front line customer support staff?)
> - Does the org have lawyers?
> - Does the org enforce on your behalf (ie. sue offenders, and
> take them to court? Do they break legs when they fail to pay?)
> - Does the org defend you when the client sues you because
> of your software's [perceived] quality or failure?
>
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2003-08-02 10:06 Realtime/embedded project to help with employment Luke A. Guest
2003-08-06 0:35 ` Luke A. Guest
2003-08-06 12:00 ` Phil Thornley
2003-08-06 12:15 ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-07 18:38 ` Luke A. Guest
2003-08-08 11:51 ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-08 21:02 ` rleif
2003-08-09 14:00 ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-09 15:53 ` Michael Erdmann
2003-08-10 5:01 ` rleif
2003-08-10 7:10 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-08-10 16:35 ` rleif
2003-08-10 17:53 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-08-12 16:14 ` Colin Paul Gloster
2003-08-12 18:12 ` Ed Falis
2003-08-10 22:45 ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-08-12 14:55 ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-13 12:59 ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-13 13:46 ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-13 14:50 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-08-13 17:02 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-08-12 14:59 ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-12 15:05 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-08-12 15:16 ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-12 16:08 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-08-12 17:35 ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-13 7:33 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-08-13 7:45 ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-13 10:13 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-08-13 11:00 ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-13 11:48 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-08-13 12:12 ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-13 11:32 ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-12 16:17 ` Colin Paul Gloster
2003-08-13 3:58 ` Robert C. Leif
2003-08-19 13:54 ` Colin Paul Gloster
2003-08-10 17:04 ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-11 14:20 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-08-12 12:34 ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-12 13:48 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-08-13 3:58 ` Robert C. Leif
2003-08-13 7:14 ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-13 13:24 ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-13 13:54 ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-15 0:19 ` Robert C. Leif
2003-08-15 8:35 ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-15 14:26 ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-08-15 14:37 ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-15 16:14 ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-08-16 10:02 ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-16 18:07 ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-08-18 6:38 ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-18 13:34 ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-08-18 15:43 ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-18 18:36 ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-08-18 20:30 ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-18 21:32 ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-08-18 19:04 ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-18 19:28 ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-08-19 6:29 ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-19 20:48 ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-08-16 13:57 ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-08-16 18:18 ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-08-16 18:33 ` Stephane Richard
2003-08-17 12:52 ` Stephane Richard
2003-08-17 13:20 ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-08-18 6:41 ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-17 23:03 ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-08-18 1:51 ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-08-13 11:14 ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-08-13 12:49 ` Frank J. Lhota
2003-08-13 23:34 ` Luke A. Guest
2003-08-13 12:34 ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-13 13:10 ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-13 13:30 ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-13 13:47 ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-14 12:32 ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-14 13:56 ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-15 12:22 ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-17 7:47 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-08-13 13:55 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-08-14 12:40 ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-18 11:10 ` Dale Stanbrough
2003-08-13 14:40 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-08-13 16:49 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-08-14 13:01 ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-14 16:46 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-08-15 4:22 ` Robert C. Leif
2003-08-15 9:48 ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-08-15 21:59 ` Robert C. Leif
2003-08-16 1:36 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-08-17 11:30 ` Simon Wright
2003-08-17 12:08 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-08-17 12:30 ` Jeffrey Creem
2003-08-16 1:58 ` George Shapovalov
2003-08-16 10:08 ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-16 11:50 ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-16 12:04 ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-16 18:25 ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-08-18 6:46 ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-18 13:48 ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-08-16 13:31 ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-08-17 14:27 ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-17 23:40 ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-08-18 2:00 ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-08-18 12:04 ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-08-17 8:26 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-08-17 19:04 ` Robert C. Leif
2003-08-15 12:40 ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-16 22:32 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-08-17 12:22 ` Marin David Condic [this message]
2003-08-17 23:34 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-08-14 12:52 ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-14 14:03 ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-12 14:52 ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-13 12:41 ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-13 13:32 ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-12 22:15 ` Luke A. Guest
2003-08-13 1:04 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-08-13 2:08 ` Wesley Groleau
2003-08-13 12:54 ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-13 13:36 ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-13 16:52 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-08-13 7:11 ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-13 22:26 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-08-14 2:19 ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-08-14 6:54 ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-14 15:03 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-08-15 0:46 ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-08-15 8:22 ` Preben Randhol
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2003-08-16 10:04 ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-14 8:27 ` Luke A. Guest
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2003-08-14 13:22 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-08-14 14:11 ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-14 17:46 ` Luke A. Guest
2003-08-15 8:29 ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-15 18:56 ` Luke A. Guest
2003-08-16 10:06 ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-13 7:08 ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-13 12:49 ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-13 16:54 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-08-13 17:20 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-08-13 22:06 ` Dale Stanbrough
2003-08-13 23:40 ` Luke A. Guest
2003-08-14 6:49 ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-14 13:11 ` Marin David Condic
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2003-08-14 16:51 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-08-15 12:58 ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-16 22:46 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-08-14 3:19 ` Robert C. Leif
2003-08-14 12:00 ` Dmytry Lavrov
2003-08-14 13:29 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-08-14 13:08 ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-14 16:58 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-08-14 17:47 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-08-14 19:15 ` Stephane Richard
2003-08-15 8:26 ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-15 13:04 ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-15 13:57 ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-16 22:49 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-08-17 14:07 ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-17 23:45 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-08-15 16:13 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-08-16 2:27 ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-08-16 10:02 ` Preben Randhol
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2003-08-16 11:03 ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-16 11:39 ` Stephane Richard
2003-08-13 12:12 ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-08-13 13:15 ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-13 13:52 ` Preben Randhol
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2003-08-14 14:11 ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-15 13:11 ` Marin David Condic
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2003-08-16 11:23 ` Marin David Condic
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2003-08-15 9:35 ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-08-15 13:17 ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-15 14:50 ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-08-14 17:05 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-08-15 8:44 ` ADCLing (was: Re: Realtime/embedded project to help with employment.) Georg Bauhaus
2003-08-15 8:48 ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-15 13:19 ` Realtime/embedded project to help with employment Marin David Condic
2003-08-15 14:12 ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-16 11:43 ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-16 11:59 ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-16 14:55 ` Ludovic Brenta
2003-08-16 23:34 ` Software Patent Concerns => New Black Markets? Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
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2003-08-18 7:20 ` Ludovic Brenta
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2003-08-18 14:38 ` chris
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2003-08-18 19:04 ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-08-18 19:36 ` Hyman Rosen
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2003-08-20 4:16 ` Hyman Rosen
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2003-08-21 4:08 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-08-19 10:28 ` Georg Bauhaus
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2003-08-21 23:02 ` Alexander Kopilovitch
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2003-08-20 21:37 ` Patent Guy
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2003-08-21 20:22 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-08-22 9:36 ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-08-22 17:19 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-08-20 22:32 ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-08-19 11:19 ` Wojtek Narczynski
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2003-08-15 19:17 ` Chad R. Meiners
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