From: Marin David Condic <nobody@noplace.com>
Subject: Re: Realtime/embedded project to help with employment.
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 07:03:24 -0400
Date: 2003-08-16T11:03:28+00:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <3F3E0F7C.4020106@noplace.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 3F3D06B6.9030206@attbi.com
Yeah, but it seems to me that there was more than one guy out there that
got started building PC's from inexpensive Asian boards in their garages
and selling them cheaper than another big "monopoly" (that being IBM).
What were ther names again? "Dell-somebodyorother"?, "Compaq-whosits?"
"Gateway-idunno"? :-)
Lets say there is a significant "Windows Tax" on your garden variety PC.
$100.00? Someone like Dell can get a price break on PC boards because of
volume, but they've also got huge overhead associated with a large
company. A couple of guys in a garage could start assembling Linux PCs
and bundling a boatload of other GPLed software on them and shipping
them without the $100 tax - maybe dropping prices even further with
other creative strategies. Probably, they could provide all sorts of
other "value added" features (like descent user's manuals?) and start a
whole new market. Its not like this industry isn't loaded with examples
of exactly that sort of formula working in the past.
My point is that it isn't exactly some sort of hopeless cause. Lots of
people look at Ada as a "hopeless cause" (how's that for getting back on
topic? ;-) but we're still here fighting the good fight. Toppling
Micro$oft may seem like tilting at windmills, but it *could* be done. It
has happened before with lots of other companies. Rather than complain
about Microsoft and accuse Bill Gates' parents of not being married when
they had him, why not dream up an alternative?
MDC
Robert I. Eachus wrote:
>
>
> More to the point, assume that your grandmother does know what an OS is,
> and intends to download Red Hat from the net for her new computer.
> Unless she puts the system together from parts, the probability that she
> won't end up paying the Microsoft tax is zero.
>
> That more than any other issue is why Microsoft has a monopoly. They
> offer the system builders a deal, either $X per system if you sell boxes
> without a Microsoft OS, or $Y per system if you sell every "desktop" or
> laptop computer with Windows. And X >> Y, so that to be competitive,
> they have to sell you a Microsoft OS whether you want it or not.
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2003-08-02 10:06 Realtime/embedded project to help with employment Luke A. Guest
2003-08-06 0:35 ` Luke A. Guest
2003-08-06 12:00 ` Phil Thornley
2003-08-06 12:15 ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-07 18:38 ` Luke A. Guest
2003-08-08 11:51 ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-08 21:02 ` rleif
2003-08-09 14:00 ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-09 15:53 ` Michael Erdmann
2003-08-10 5:01 ` rleif
2003-08-10 7:10 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-08-10 16:35 ` rleif
2003-08-10 17:53 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-08-12 16:14 ` Colin Paul Gloster
2003-08-12 18:12 ` Ed Falis
2003-08-10 22:45 ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-08-12 14:55 ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-13 12:59 ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-13 13:46 ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-13 14:50 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-08-13 17:02 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-08-12 14:59 ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-12 15:05 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-08-12 15:16 ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-12 16:08 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-08-12 17:35 ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-13 7:33 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-08-13 7:45 ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-13 10:13 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-08-13 11:00 ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-13 11:48 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-08-13 12:12 ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-13 11:32 ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-12 16:17 ` Colin Paul Gloster
2003-08-13 3:58 ` Robert C. Leif
2003-08-19 13:54 ` Colin Paul Gloster
2003-08-10 17:04 ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-11 14:20 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-08-12 12:34 ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-12 13:48 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-08-13 3:58 ` Robert C. Leif
2003-08-13 7:14 ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-13 13:24 ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-13 13:54 ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-15 0:19 ` Robert C. Leif
2003-08-15 8:35 ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-15 14:26 ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-08-15 14:37 ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-15 16:14 ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-08-16 10:02 ` Preben Randhol
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2003-08-18 6:38 ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-18 13:34 ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-08-18 15:43 ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-18 18:36 ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-08-18 20:30 ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-18 21:32 ` Chad R. Meiners
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2003-08-18 19:28 ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-08-19 6:29 ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-19 20:48 ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-08-16 13:57 ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-08-16 18:18 ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-08-16 18:33 ` Stephane Richard
2003-08-17 12:52 ` Stephane Richard
2003-08-17 13:20 ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-08-18 6:41 ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-17 23:03 ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-08-18 1:51 ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-08-13 11:14 ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-08-13 12:49 ` Frank J. Lhota
2003-08-13 23:34 ` Luke A. Guest
2003-08-13 12:34 ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-13 13:10 ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-13 13:30 ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-13 13:47 ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-14 12:32 ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-14 13:56 ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-15 12:22 ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-17 7:47 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-08-13 13:55 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-08-14 12:40 ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-18 11:10 ` Dale Stanbrough
2003-08-13 14:40 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-08-13 16:49 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-08-14 13:01 ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-14 16:46 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-08-15 4:22 ` Robert C. Leif
2003-08-15 9:48 ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-08-15 21:59 ` Robert C. Leif
2003-08-16 1:36 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-08-17 11:30 ` Simon Wright
2003-08-17 12:08 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-08-17 12:30 ` Jeffrey Creem
2003-08-16 1:58 ` George Shapovalov
2003-08-16 10:08 ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-16 11:50 ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-16 12:04 ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-16 18:25 ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-08-18 6:46 ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-18 13:48 ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-08-16 13:31 ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-08-17 14:27 ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-17 23:40 ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-08-18 2:00 ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-08-18 12:04 ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-08-17 8:26 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-08-17 19:04 ` Robert C. Leif
2003-08-15 12:40 ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-16 22:32 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-08-17 12:22 ` Marin David Condic
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2003-08-14 12:52 ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-14 14:03 ` Preben Randhol
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2003-08-13 12:41 ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-13 13:32 ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-12 22:15 ` Luke A. Guest
2003-08-13 1:04 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-08-13 2:08 ` Wesley Groleau
2003-08-13 12:54 ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-13 13:36 ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-13 16:52 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-08-13 7:11 ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-13 22:26 ` Robert I. Eachus
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2003-08-14 6:54 ` Preben Randhol
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