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From: Marin David Condic <nobody@noplace.com>
Subject: Re: Realtime/embedded project to help with employment.
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 08:52:27 -0400
Date: 2003-08-14T12:54:48+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3F3B860B.3040502@noplace.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 1060785619.779768@master.nyc.kbcfp.com

One more time... with feeling. :-) This has absolutely nothing to do 
with my point. Yes, the developers *did* give their permission. *No* 
they have no right to complain having done so. *Yes* RedHat is totally 
within its rights and hasn't done anything wrong.

The *point* is, a body of software developed by one party has *value* 
and that if it is used by another party in a for-profit venture, the 
other party is getting a contribution to his business without any 
compensation being given to the author. Why that isn't plainly obvvious 
to even the most casual observer, I don't know. What the GPL does to 
somehow or other stop the software contribution from having value, I 
don't know. The software has value. You use it to make a profit. You 
give nothing to the author. It isn't illegal when its under the GPL. It 
doesn't defraud the original developer who voluntarily gave away his 
valuable property to you in the first place. It simply means that the 
developer wasn't compensated when the developer had every moral right to 
have insisted on it had he not voluntarily done some charity work for 
your business venture.

Like I said elsewhere, people have an absolute God-given right to freely 
do charity work for business ventures if they so choose. I'd question 
the wisdom of that and wouldn't do so myself, because my work has value 
and if you want to use it to make money, you'll have to share it with 
me. But that's just me. ;-)

MDC

Hyman Rosen wrote:

> The difference is that the bands you mention didn't give anyone
> permission to do this, while the software developers did. But
> you know that, obviously, so what is your purpose in drawing this
> analogy? Are you trying to say that the developers didn't give
> this permission? That they were duped? All of them?
> 

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2003-08-02 10:06 Realtime/embedded project to help with employment Luke A. Guest
2003-08-06  0:35 ` Luke A. Guest
2003-08-06 12:00   ` Phil Thornley
2003-08-06 12:15   ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-07 18:38     ` Luke A. Guest
2003-08-08 11:51       ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-08 21:02         ` rleif
2003-08-09 14:00           ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-09 15:53           ` Michael Erdmann
2003-08-10  5:01             ` rleif
2003-08-10  7:10               ` Hyman Rosen
2003-08-10 16:35                 ` rleif
2003-08-10 17:53                   ` Hyman Rosen
2003-08-12 16:14                     ` Colin Paul Gloster
2003-08-12 18:12                       ` Ed Falis
2003-08-10 22:45                   ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-08-12 14:55                   ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-13 12:59                     ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-13 13:46                       ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-13 14:50                       ` Hyman Rosen
2003-08-13 17:02                         ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-08-12 14:59                   ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-12 15:05                     ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-08-12 15:16                       ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-12 16:08                         ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-08-12 17:35                           ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-13  7:33                             ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-08-13  7:45                               ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-13 10:13                                 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-08-13 11:00                                   ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-13 11:48                                     ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-08-13 12:12                                       ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-13 11:32                                   ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-12 16:17                   ` Colin Paul Gloster
2003-08-13  3:58                     ` Robert C. Leif
2003-08-19 13:54                       ` Colin Paul Gloster
2003-08-10 17:04                 ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-11 14:20                   ` Hyman Rosen
2003-08-12 12:34                     ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-12 13:48                       ` Hyman Rosen
2003-08-13  3:58                         ` Robert C. Leif
2003-08-13  7:14                           ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-13 13:24                             ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-13 13:54                               ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-15  0:19                             ` Robert C. Leif
2003-08-15  8:35                               ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-15 14:26                                 ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-08-15 14:37                                   ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-15 16:14                                     ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-08-16 10:02                                       ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-16 18:07                                         ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-08-18  6:38                                           ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-18 13:34                                             ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-08-18 15:43                                               ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-18 18:36                                                 ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-08-18 20:30                                                   ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-18 21:32                                                     ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-08-18 19:04                                               ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-18 19:28                                                 ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-08-19  6:29                                                   ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-19 20:48                                                     ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-08-16 13:57                                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-08-16 18:18                                         ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-08-16 18:33                                           ` Stephane Richard
2003-08-17 12:52                                             ` Stephane Richard
2003-08-17 13:20                                               ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-08-18  6:41                                               ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-17 23:03                                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-08-18  1:51                                             ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-08-13 11:14                           ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-08-13 12:49                             ` Frank J. Lhota
2003-08-13 23:34                           ` Luke A. Guest
2003-08-13 12:34                         ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-13 13:10                           ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-13 13:30                             ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-13 13:47                               ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-14 12:32                                 ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-14 13:56                                   ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-15 12:22                                     ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-17  7:47                                       ` Hyman Rosen
2003-08-13 13:55                           ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-08-14 12:40                             ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-18 11:10                               ` Dale Stanbrough
2003-08-13 14:40                           ` Hyman Rosen
2003-08-13 16:49                             ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-08-14 13:01                               ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-14 16:46                                 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-08-15  4:22                                   ` Robert C. Leif
2003-08-15  9:48                                     ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-08-15 21:59                                       ` Robert C. Leif
2003-08-16  1:36                                         ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-08-17 11:30                                           ` Simon Wright
2003-08-17 12:08                                             ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-08-17 12:30                                               ` Jeffrey Creem
2003-08-16  1:58                                         ` George Shapovalov
2003-08-16 10:08                                         ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-16 11:50                                         ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-16 12:04                                           ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-16 18:25                                             ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-08-18  6:46                                               ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-18 13:48                                                 ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-08-16 13:31                                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-08-17 14:27                                             ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-17 23:40                                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-08-18  2:00                                                 ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-08-18 12:04                                                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-08-17  8:26                                     ` Hyman Rosen
2003-08-17 19:04                                       ` Robert C. Leif
2003-08-15 12:40                                   ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-16 22:32                                     ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-08-17 12:22                                       ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-17 23:34                                         ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-08-14 12:52                             ` Marin David Condic [this message]
2003-08-14 14:03                               ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-12 14:52                       ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-13 12:41                         ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-13 13:32                           ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-12 22:15                       ` Luke A. Guest
2003-08-13  1:04                         ` Hyman Rosen
2003-08-13  2:08                           ` Wesley Groleau
2003-08-13 12:54                             ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-13 13:36                               ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-13 16:52                               ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-08-13  7:11                           ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-13 22:26                             ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-08-14  2:19                               ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-08-14  6:54                                 ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-14 15:03                                 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-08-15  0:46                                   ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-08-15  8:22                                   ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-15 16:21                                     ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-08-16 10:04                                       ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-14  8:27                           ` Luke A. Guest
2003-08-14  9:58                             ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-14 13:22                               ` Hyman Rosen
2003-08-14 14:11                                 ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-14 17:46                               ` Luke A. Guest
2003-08-15  8:29                                 ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-15 18:56                                   ` Luke A. Guest
2003-08-16 10:06                                     ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-13  7:08                         ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-13 12:49                         ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-13 16:54                           ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-08-13 17:20                             ` Hyman Rosen
2003-08-13 22:06                               ` Dale Stanbrough
2003-08-13 23:40                               ` Luke A. Guest
2003-08-14  6:49                               ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-14 13:11                                 ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-14 14:06                                   ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-14 20:35                                     ` Pascal Obry
2003-08-15 12:51                                     ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-15 13:40                                       ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-16 10:33                                         ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-14 16:51                                   ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-08-15 12:58                                     ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-16 22:46                                       ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-08-14  3:19                             ` Robert C. Leif
2003-08-14 12:00                               ` Dmytry Lavrov
2003-08-14 13:29                               ` Hyman Rosen
2003-08-14 13:08                             ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-14 16:58                               ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-08-14 17:47                                 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-08-14 19:15                                   ` Stephane Richard
2003-08-15  8:26                                   ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-15 13:04                                 ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-15 13:57                                   ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-16 22:49                                   ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-08-17 14:07                                     ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-17 23:45                                       ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-08-15 16:13                                 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-08-16  2:27                                   ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-08-16 10:02                                     ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-16 10:01                                   ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-16 11:03                                   ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-16 11:39                                     ` Stephane Richard
2003-08-13 12:12                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-08-13 13:15                         ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-13 13:52                           ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-14 13:15                             ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-14 14:11                               ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-15 13:11                                 ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-15 14:04                                   ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-16 11:23                                     ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-13 18:14                           ` Georg B.
2003-08-14 13:25                             ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-15  9:35                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-08-15 13:17                                 ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-15 14:50                                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-08-14 17:05                             ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-08-15  8:44                               ` ADCLing (was: Re: Realtime/embedded project to help with employment.) Georg Bauhaus
2003-08-15  8:48                                 ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-15 13:19                               ` Realtime/embedded project to help with employment Marin David Condic
2003-08-15 14:12                                 ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-16 11:43                                   ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-16 11:59                                     ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-16 14:55                                     ` Ludovic Brenta
2003-08-16 23:34                                       ` Software Patent Concerns => New Black Markets? Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-08-17 19:04                                         ` Robert C. Leif
2003-08-17 23:03                                           ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-08-18  7:20                                             ` Ludovic Brenta
2003-08-18 14:25                                               ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-08-18 14:38                                               ` chris
2003-08-19 10:36                                                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-08-19 11:32                                                 ` Wojtek Narczynski
2003-08-18 18:31                                               ` Robert C. Leif
2003-08-18 19:04                                                 ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-08-18 19:36                                                 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-08-19  6:58                                                   ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-19 15:06                                                     ` Robert C. Leif
2003-08-19 17:00                                                       ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-08-20 10:55                                                       ` Wojtek Narczynski
2003-08-20 12:49                                                         ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2003-08-20 19:16                                                         ` Dmytry Lavrov
2003-08-21  8:12                                                           ` Wojtek Narczynski
2003-08-21 17:47                                                             ` Dmytry Lavrov
2003-08-21 17:53                                                               ` Dmytry Lavrov
2003-08-19 13:45                                                   ` Wojtek Narczynski
2003-08-19 14:43                                                     ` Hyman Rosen
2003-08-19 17:48                                                       ` Wojtek Narczynski
2003-08-19 20:47                                                     ` Robert C. Leif
2003-08-20  4:16                                                       ` Hyman Rosen
2003-08-20 22:45                                                         ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-08-21  4:08                                                           ` Hyman Rosen
2003-08-19 10:28                                                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-08-19 12:01                                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-08-19 16:53                                                 ` Software Patent Concerns => (FSF is Robin Hood?) Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-08-19 17:16                                                 ` Software Patent Concerns => New Black Markets? Ed Falis
2003-08-20 22:27                                                   ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-08-21 23:02                                                     ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-08-19 17:54                                             ` Patent Guy
2003-08-20  1:34                                               ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-08-20  3:35                                                 ` Wes Groleau
2003-08-20  6:08                                                 ` Patent Guy
2003-08-20 16:59                                                   ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-08-20 21:37                                                     ` Patent Guy
2003-08-20 22:10                                                 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-08-21 20:22                                                   ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-08-22  9:36                                                     ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-08-22 17:19                                                       ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-08-20 22:32                                               ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-08-19 11:19                                           ` Wojtek Narczynski
2003-08-17 14:13                                       ` Realtime/embedded project to help with employment Marin David Condic
2003-08-15 14:53                                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-08-15 19:17                                   ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-08-16 10:08                                     ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-16 17:40                                       ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-08-18  6:35                                         ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-18 16:37                                           ` Frank J. Lhota
2003-08-18 20:32                                             ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-18 20:47                                               ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-08-19 16:02                                             ` John R. Strohm
2003-08-16 23:23                                 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-08-13 19:03                           ` Hyman Rosen
2003-08-10 17:26               ` Michael Erdmann
2003-08-10 11:17             ` Mário Amado Alves
2003-08-10 16:50               ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-10 17:20           ` Michael Erdmann
2003-08-13 14:21           ` Stephane Richard
2003-08-13 16:36             ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-08-08 23:39         ` Luke A. Guest
2003-08-09 13:40           ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-09 16:02             ` Luke A. Guest
2003-08-09 22:47               ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-10 10:38                 ` Luke A. Guest
2003-08-11 10:08                   ` Mark Lorenzen
2003-08-11 18:39                     ` Luke A. Guest
2003-08-11 21:04                       ` Mark Lorenzen
2003-08-11 22:59                         ` Luke A. Guest
2003-08-12 12:12                           ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-22 21:53                             ` Luke A. Guest
2003-08-23  2:55                               ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-08-23 12:54                               ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-12 14:55                       ` Colin Paul Gloster
2003-08-12 15:03                         ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-08-12 13:43                     ` Dmytry Lavrov
2003-08-09  3:52         ` Steve
2003-08-09 13:47           ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-22 21:28         ` Luke A. Guest
2003-08-08 13:32       ` chris
2003-08-07 18:44     ` Luke A. Guest
2003-08-07 19:40       ` Jeffrey Carter
2003-08-07 21:42         ` Luke A. Guest
2003-08-08  1:07           ` Jeffrey Carter
2003-08-08 12:00           ` Phil Thornley
2003-08-08 13:46             ` Martin Dowie
2003-08-08 14:46               ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2003-08-08 15:55                 ` Martin Dowie
2003-08-08 23:37             ` Luke A. Guest
2003-08-10  9:43               ` JP Thornley
2003-08-12 15:25               ` Colin Paul Gloster
2003-08-22 21:25                 ` Luke A. Guest
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