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From: Marin David Condic <nobody@noplace.com>
Subject: Re: Realtime/embedded project to help with employment.
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 08:34:04 -0400
Date: 2003-08-12T12:36:23+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3F38DEBC.8040208@noplace.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 1060611604.45048@master.nyc.kbcfp.com

Well, I don't dispute that the GPL can be successfully used in 
developing and marketing a product. I simply dispute that it is the only 
"right" way to develop and market a product. I also dispute the notion 
that someone like RedHat didn't effectively get their engineering work 
done free of charge by a group of developers who released their work 
under the GPL.

Mind you, I don't fault RedHat for that. Linux was there under the GPL 
and RedHat didn't hold a gun to anyone's head and insist they give it to 
them free of charge. The guys who developed it can stare at RedHat's 
profit line and wish they had it, but they have nobody to blame but 
themselves. They voluntarily put up the "sweat equity" in RedHat and 
didn't get a single share of stock in return. That's their decision and 
they are the ones that have to live with it.

 From my perspective, I might make some software I wrote available to 
the rest of the world at no cost and in open source provided it was not 
used for some form of commercial gain (personal and internal-business 
use, not for resale). The minute someone wants to put it into a product 
and sell it, I want some piece of the action. I think that's basic 
justice and that's why I wouldn't release anything I wrote under the GPL 
- unless, possibly, there was a business case to be made as to why this 
particular piece of software would make me money if released under the GPL.

Dr. Leif and I disagree on some of the particulars of his ADCL, but we 
both wholeheartedly agree on the basic concept behind it - that if 
someone develops software that another party wants to use to make a 
profit, the developer ought to get something out of it. I can't and 
won't force that position on someone else, so if a developer wants to 
release his code under the GPL, that's his business. I just wouldn't do 
it myself and I wouldn't advise others to do it either unless there were 
particular circumstances that made it warranted. (Think about why the 
Grateful Dead allow bootleggers to record their live concerts and sell 
them without royalties to them. It promotes the band and helps them sell 
concert tickets as well as their studio albums without really cutting 
heavily into sales they might have had.)


MDC

Hyman Rosen wrote:
> 
> No one (here, anyway) has said otherwise. Notice that GNAT/ACT has
> been purely GPL from inception, and nevertheless their developers
> are compensated for their work, so there is proof by existence that
> the GPL and getting paid can coincide. The same model should work
> in other circumstances. That is, you find someone who has a critical
> need for a software product that does not yet exist, and is therefore
> willing to pay for it, but also does not mind if the product is free
> software.
> 


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Thread overview: 292+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-08-02 10:06 Realtime/embedded project to help with employment Luke A. Guest
2003-08-06  0:35 ` Luke A. Guest
2003-08-06 12:00   ` Phil Thornley
2003-08-06 12:15   ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-07 18:38     ` Luke A. Guest
2003-08-08 11:51       ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-08 21:02         ` rleif
2003-08-09 14:00           ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-09 15:53           ` Michael Erdmann
2003-08-10  5:01             ` rleif
2003-08-10  7:10               ` Hyman Rosen
2003-08-10 16:35                 ` rleif
2003-08-10 17:53                   ` Hyman Rosen
2003-08-12 16:14                     ` Colin Paul Gloster
2003-08-12 18:12                       ` Ed Falis
2003-08-10 22:45                   ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-08-12 14:55                   ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-13 12:59                     ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-13 13:46                       ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-13 14:50                       ` Hyman Rosen
2003-08-13 17:02                         ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-08-12 14:59                   ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-12 15:05                     ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-08-12 15:16                       ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-12 16:08                         ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-08-12 17:35                           ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-13  7:33                             ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-08-13  7:45                               ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-13 10:13                                 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-08-13 11:00                                   ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-13 11:48                                     ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-08-13 12:12                                       ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-13 11:32                                   ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-12 16:17                   ` Colin Paul Gloster
2003-08-13  3:58                     ` Robert C. Leif
2003-08-19 13:54                       ` Colin Paul Gloster
2003-08-10 17:04                 ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-11 14:20                   ` Hyman Rosen
2003-08-12 12:34                     ` Marin David Condic [this message]
2003-08-12 13:48                       ` Hyman Rosen
2003-08-13  3:58                         ` Robert C. Leif
2003-08-13  7:14                           ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-13 13:24                             ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-13 13:54                               ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-15  0:19                             ` Robert C. Leif
2003-08-15  8:35                               ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-15 14:26                                 ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-08-15 14:37                                   ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-15 16:14                                     ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-08-16 10:02                                       ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-16 18:07                                         ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-08-18  6:38                                           ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-18 13:34                                             ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-08-18 15:43                                               ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-18 18:36                                                 ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-08-18 20:30                                                   ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-18 21:32                                                     ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-08-18 19:04                                               ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-18 19:28                                                 ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-08-19  6:29                                                   ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-19 20:48                                                     ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-08-16 13:57                                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-08-16 18:18                                         ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-08-16 18:33                                           ` Stephane Richard
2003-08-17 12:52                                             ` Stephane Richard
2003-08-17 13:20                                               ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-08-18  6:41                                               ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-17 23:03                                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-08-18  1:51                                             ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-08-13 11:14                           ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-08-13 12:49                             ` Frank J. Lhota
2003-08-13 23:34                           ` Luke A. Guest
2003-08-13 12:34                         ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-13 13:10                           ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-13 13:30                             ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-13 13:47                               ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-14 12:32                                 ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-14 13:56                                   ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-15 12:22                                     ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-17  7:47                                       ` Hyman Rosen
2003-08-13 13:55                           ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-08-14 12:40                             ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-18 11:10                               ` Dale Stanbrough
2003-08-13 14:40                           ` Hyman Rosen
2003-08-13 16:49                             ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-08-14 13:01                               ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-14 16:46                                 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-08-15  4:22                                   ` Robert C. Leif
2003-08-15  9:48                                     ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-08-15 21:59                                       ` Robert C. Leif
2003-08-16  1:36                                         ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-08-17 11:30                                           ` Simon Wright
2003-08-17 12:08                                             ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-08-17 12:30                                               ` Jeffrey Creem
2003-08-16  1:58                                         ` George Shapovalov
2003-08-16 10:08                                         ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-16 11:50                                         ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-16 12:04                                           ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-16 18:25                                             ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-08-18  6:46                                               ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-18 13:48                                                 ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-08-16 13:31                                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-08-17 14:27                                             ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-17 23:40                                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-08-18  2:00                                                 ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-08-18 12:04                                                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-08-17  8:26                                     ` Hyman Rosen
2003-08-17 19:04                                       ` Robert C. Leif
2003-08-15 12:40                                   ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-16 22:32                                     ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-08-17 12:22                                       ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-17 23:34                                         ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-08-14 12:52                             ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-14 14:03                               ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-12 14:52                       ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-13 12:41                         ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-13 13:32                           ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-12 22:15                       ` Luke A. Guest
2003-08-13  1:04                         ` Hyman Rosen
2003-08-13  2:08                           ` Wesley Groleau
2003-08-13 12:54                             ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-13 13:36                               ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-13 16:52                               ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-08-13  7:11                           ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-13 22:26                             ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-08-14  2:19                               ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-08-14  6:54                                 ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-14 15:03                                 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-08-15  0:46                                   ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-08-15  8:22                                   ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-15 16:21                                     ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-08-16 10:04                                       ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-14  8:27                           ` Luke A. Guest
2003-08-14  9:58                             ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-14 13:22                               ` Hyman Rosen
2003-08-14 14:11                                 ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-14 17:46                               ` Luke A. Guest
2003-08-15  8:29                                 ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-15 18:56                                   ` Luke A. Guest
2003-08-16 10:06                                     ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-13  7:08                         ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-13 12:49                         ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-13 16:54                           ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-08-13 17:20                             ` Hyman Rosen
2003-08-13 22:06                               ` Dale Stanbrough
2003-08-13 23:40                               ` Luke A. Guest
2003-08-14  6:49                               ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-14 13:11                                 ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-14 14:06                                   ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-14 20:35                                     ` Pascal Obry
2003-08-15 12:51                                     ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-15 13:40                                       ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-16 10:33                                         ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-14 16:51                                   ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-08-15 12:58                                     ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-16 22:46                                       ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-08-14  3:19                             ` Robert C. Leif
2003-08-14 12:00                               ` Dmytry Lavrov
2003-08-14 13:29                               ` Hyman Rosen
2003-08-14 13:08                             ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-14 16:58                               ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-08-14 17:47                                 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-08-14 19:15                                   ` Stephane Richard
2003-08-15  8:26                                   ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-15 13:04                                 ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-15 13:57                                   ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-16 22:49                                   ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-08-17 14:07                                     ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-17 23:45                                       ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-08-15 16:13                                 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-08-16  2:27                                   ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-08-16 10:02                                     ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-16 10:01                                   ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-16 11:03                                   ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-16 11:39                                     ` Stephane Richard
2003-08-13 12:12                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-08-13 13:15                         ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-13 13:52                           ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-14 13:15                             ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-14 14:11                               ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-15 13:11                                 ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-15 14:04                                   ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-16 11:23                                     ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-13 18:14                           ` Georg B.
2003-08-14 13:25                             ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-15  9:35                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-08-15 13:17                                 ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-15 14:50                                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-08-14 17:05                             ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-08-15  8:44                               ` ADCLing (was: Re: Realtime/embedded project to help with employment.) Georg Bauhaus
2003-08-15  8:48                                 ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-15 13:19                               ` Realtime/embedded project to help with employment Marin David Condic
2003-08-15 14:12                                 ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-16 11:43                                   ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-16 11:59                                     ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-16 14:55                                     ` Ludovic Brenta
2003-08-16 23:34                                       ` Software Patent Concerns => New Black Markets? Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-08-17 19:04                                         ` Robert C. Leif
2003-08-17 23:03                                           ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-08-18  7:20                                             ` Ludovic Brenta
2003-08-18 14:25                                               ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-08-18 14:38                                               ` chris
2003-08-19 10:36                                                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-08-19 11:32                                                 ` Wojtek Narczynski
2003-08-18 18:31                                               ` Robert C. Leif
2003-08-18 19:04                                                 ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-08-18 19:36                                                 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-08-19  6:58                                                   ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-19 15:06                                                     ` Robert C. Leif
2003-08-19 17:00                                                       ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-08-20 10:55                                                       ` Wojtek Narczynski
2003-08-20 12:49                                                         ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2003-08-20 19:16                                                         ` Dmytry Lavrov
2003-08-21  8:12                                                           ` Wojtek Narczynski
2003-08-21 17:47                                                             ` Dmytry Lavrov
2003-08-21 17:53                                                               ` Dmytry Lavrov
2003-08-19 13:45                                                   ` Wojtek Narczynski
2003-08-19 14:43                                                     ` Hyman Rosen
2003-08-19 17:48                                                       ` Wojtek Narczynski
2003-08-19 20:47                                                     ` Robert C. Leif
2003-08-20  4:16                                                       ` Hyman Rosen
2003-08-20 22:45                                                         ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-08-21  4:08                                                           ` Hyman Rosen
2003-08-19 10:28                                                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-08-19 12:01                                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-08-19 16:53                                                 ` Software Patent Concerns => (FSF is Robin Hood?) Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-08-19 17:16                                                 ` Software Patent Concerns => New Black Markets? Ed Falis
2003-08-20 22:27                                                   ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-08-21 23:02                                                     ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-08-19 17:54                                             ` Patent Guy
2003-08-20  1:34                                               ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-08-20  3:35                                                 ` Wes Groleau
2003-08-20  6:08                                                 ` Patent Guy
2003-08-20 16:59                                                   ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-08-20 21:37                                                     ` Patent Guy
2003-08-20 22:10                                                 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-08-21 20:22                                                   ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-08-22  9:36                                                     ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-08-22 17:19                                                       ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-08-20 22:32                                               ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-08-19 11:19                                           ` Wojtek Narczynski
2003-08-17 14:13                                       ` Realtime/embedded project to help with employment Marin David Condic
2003-08-15 14:53                                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-08-15 19:17                                   ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-08-16 10:08                                     ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-16 17:40                                       ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-08-18  6:35                                         ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-18 16:37                                           ` Frank J. Lhota
2003-08-18 20:32                                             ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-18 20:47                                               ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-08-19 16:02                                             ` John R. Strohm
2003-08-16 23:23                                 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-08-13 19:03                           ` Hyman Rosen
2003-08-10 17:26               ` Michael Erdmann
2003-08-10 11:17             ` Mário Amado Alves
2003-08-10 16:50               ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-10 17:20           ` Michael Erdmann
2003-08-13 14:21           ` Stephane Richard
2003-08-13 16:36             ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-08-08 23:39         ` Luke A. Guest
2003-08-09 13:40           ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-09 16:02             ` Luke A. Guest
2003-08-09 22:47               ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-10 10:38                 ` Luke A. Guest
2003-08-11 10:08                   ` Mark Lorenzen
2003-08-11 18:39                     ` Luke A. Guest
2003-08-11 21:04                       ` Mark Lorenzen
2003-08-11 22:59                         ` Luke A. Guest
2003-08-12 12:12                           ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-22 21:53                             ` Luke A. Guest
2003-08-23  2:55                               ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-08-23 12:54                               ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-12 14:55                       ` Colin Paul Gloster
2003-08-12 15:03                         ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-08-12 13:43                     ` Dmytry Lavrov
2003-08-09  3:52         ` Steve
2003-08-09 13:47           ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-22 21:28         ` Luke A. Guest
2003-08-08 13:32       ` chris
2003-08-07 18:44     ` Luke A. Guest
2003-08-07 19:40       ` Jeffrey Carter
2003-08-07 21:42         ` Luke A. Guest
2003-08-08  1:07           ` Jeffrey Carter
2003-08-08 12:00           ` Phil Thornley
2003-08-08 13:46             ` Martin Dowie
2003-08-08 14:46               ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2003-08-08 15:55                 ` Martin Dowie
2003-08-08 23:37             ` Luke A. Guest
2003-08-10  9:43               ` JP Thornley
2003-08-12 15:25               ` Colin Paul Gloster
2003-08-22 21:25                 ` Luke A. Guest
2003-08-12 19:26               ` FJ de Bruin
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