From: Marin David Condic <nobody@noplace.com>
Subject: Re: terminate applications
Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 07:36:23 -0400
Date: 2003-07-27T11:36:25+00:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <3F23B937.5010608@noplace.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: bfu697$j1mk7$1@ID-25716.news.uni-berlin.de
O.K. but that is just making a case for why we need a library of common
stuff outside of the ARM. I'll agree that there are all sorts of useful
things that are difficult to specify to a sufficient level of detail to
make them suitable for an ISO standard. But if the alternative is to say
"Go roll your own..." or "You can find that in one or more of fifty
libraries lying around the internet somewhere..." then I think it is
unacceptable. You want to know that the code you wrote is making a call
to something that will be supported in some fashion on most platforms by
most compilers without having to make source code changes.
If we had a conventional library ("Provisional Standard" was the name
suggested by Dr. Leif, but I'm willing to call it anything the community
likes) that was adopted by most of the vendors, you could put a call
such as this in there and not worry that nobody bothered to specify its
behavior to some high level of detail or build a validation suite to be
sure that it killed a program in exactly this particular manner with
precisely these side effects. It would just exist in the library as a
portable abstraction for the OS call and it does whatever happens when
the OS call executes. No updates to the ARM, flexible implementation
allowed, everybody can build portable code, no rigorous and costly
validation procedures, Ada becomes more useful to everyone, everybody
wins. I can't see how that would be a bad thing.
MDC
Nick Roberts wrote:
>
> I think this suggestion makes it clear that: the semantics of such a
> procedure would be difficult to define, and impossible to enforce or test;
> it truly could be really dangerous in some environments. You might consider
> all the above a bit too much to add to the RM to be worth it.
>
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2003-07-18 9:36 terminate applications christoph.grein
2003-07-18 10:54 ` Jeffrey Creem
2003-07-18 11:51 ` Marin David Condic
2003-07-18 13:26 ` Nick Roberts
2003-07-18 15:18 ` Jeffrey Creem
2003-07-19 15:44 ` Marin David Condic
2003-07-20 2:03 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-07-20 11:04 ` Marin David Condic
2003-07-20 17:53 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-07-21 12:02 ` Marin David Condic
2003-07-21 20:31 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-07-22 12:11 ` Marin David Condic
2003-07-22 12:26 ` Arnaud Charlet
2003-07-22 12:36 ` Marin David Condic
2003-07-22 13:23 ` Arnaud Charlet
2003-07-22 23:23 ` Marin David Condic
2003-07-22 23:46 ` Samuel Tardieu
2003-07-23 12:22 ` Marin David Condic
2003-07-23 22:17 ` Randy Brukardt
2003-07-24 1:47 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-24 3:36 ` tmoran
2003-07-24 3:44 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-24 8:02 ` Samuel Tardieu
2003-07-24 19:54 ` Randy Brukardt
2003-07-24 7:45 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-07-24 14:54 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-07-24 15:46 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-07-26 2:58 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-07-28 8:17 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-07-28 21:08 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-07-29 10:42 ` Marin David Condic
2003-07-29 13:47 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-29 17:04 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-07-24 12:01 ` Marin David Condic
2003-07-24 20:12 ` Randy Brukardt
2003-07-24 23:11 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-07-26 12:52 ` Marin David Condic
2003-07-26 3:28 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-07-24 11:51 ` Marin David Condic
2003-07-24 20:32 ` Randy Brukardt
2003-07-26 3:16 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-07-26 13:16 ` Marin David Condic
2003-07-26 15:23 ` Nick Roberts
2003-07-26 15:48 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-07-27 11:36 ` Marin David Condic [this message]
2003-07-26 19:52 ` rleif
2003-07-26 13:01 ` Marin David Condic
2003-07-24 14:46 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-07-24 18:50 ` tmoran
2003-07-26 13:21 ` Marin David Condic
2003-07-23 4:02 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-07-23 12:28 ` Marin David Condic
2003-07-24 16:06 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-07-26 13:33 ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-07-26 17:27 ` Larry Kilgallen
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2003-07-26 20:18 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-07-26 20:24 ` Larry Kilgallen
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2003-07-26 15:07 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-07-27 11:43 ` Marin David Condic
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2003-07-27 21:52 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-07-28 2:45 ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-08-01 17:00 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-08-01 17:56 ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-08-01 18:17 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-08-01 18:48 ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-07-22 12:59 ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2003-07-22 5:16 ` Randy Brukardt
2003-07-22 12:02 ` Marin David Condic
2003-07-22 14:45 ` Nick Roberts
2003-07-23 1:08 ` Dave Thompson
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2003-07-17 10:39 Riccardo
2003-07-17 19:54 ` Nick Roberts
2003-07-17 20:55 ` Mark A. Biggar
2003-07-17 22:44 ` Nick Roberts
2003-07-18 3:55 ` sk
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