From: "Robert I. Eachus" <rieachus@attbi.com>
Subject: Re: Ariane5 FAQ
Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 18:44:36 GMT
Date: 2003-07-25T18:44:36+00:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <3F217A92.20208@attbi.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 1059151910.357790@master.nyc.kbcfp.com
Hyman Rosen wrote:
> You seem to know more about the Ariane 5 project than what
> is found in the accident report. It would be kind if you can
> provide links that would give us more information, aside from
> the accident report which we already have.
How about another accident report, on the upper stage this time which
reveals that the same process problems existed throughout the Ariane 5
program: http://www.arianespace.com/site/news/releases/presrel01_8_07.html
As you can see, the base problem is the same as in the 501 failure.
Inadequate testing of the upper stage propulsion system under Ariane 5
conditions.
But the reasons that I got involved in a close scrutiny of the Ariane
501 failure was that Arianespace was in the same position on that
project as MITRE is on many DoD and other government projects. MITRE
acts as the system engineer for the government while contractors build
individual portions of the system. At the time of the Ariane 501
disaster I was in that role with respect to GEODSS and CMU.
A group from MITRE did a review of the project to see if we would have
caught the problem. And as I said the glaring hole in Arianespace's
process on Ariane 5 was this issue of distributing the overall project
requirements but having no process for insuring that all the original
requirements were met.
This is managing of several interlocking contracts is something that
MITRE often goes through. Using the old nomenclature the A spec
requirements would be distributed by the individual contractors to the
B5, and they would want MITRE to certify that meeting the B5
requirements would satisfy the A-spec requirements. We would always
refuse, and instead certify that they were contracted to meet the B5
requirements. Many contractors never understood the difference, but as
you can see from the Ariane 5, there is a difference and it is major.
For example on the SCIS contract I was actually the one to "pull the
trigger" and tell US Space Command after a particular performance
review, that they as the using customer had to bite the bullet and
accept that the system currently under contract would be of no use to
them. I won't go into gory details, but the Goldwater-Nichols
reorganization meant that the system under contract no longer met their
(A level) requirements. Obviously this was in no way the fault of the
contractor--or for that matter the government. But we needed
renegotiate the contract to reflect the changed requirements.
The changes caused by Goldwater-Nichols were not deployed in time for
the first Gulf War, but workarounds were used with Scud launch data.
The changes were there for the recent fighting in Afganistan and Iraq,
and were an improvement over the Gulf War situation. So
Goldwater-Nichols was a significant improvement in the way large scale
joint combat was run, and some of those changes had cost consequences.
Fine, as long as you go in with your eyes open--and continue to compare
the overall system to the overall system requirements not just the
detailed requirements.
--
Robert I. Eachus
�In an ally, considerations of house, clan, planet, race are
insignificant beside two prime questions, which are: 1. Can he shoot? 2.
Will he aim at your enemy?� -- from the Laiden novels by Sharon Lee and
Steve Miller.
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Thread overview: 158+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2003-07-21 2:10 Ariane5 FAQ Alexandre E. Kopilovitch
2003-07-21 14:52 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-21 15:54 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-07-21 18:01 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-21 18:10 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-07-21 18:49 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-21 19:13 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-07-21 19:43 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-21 20:46 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-07-22 2:04 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-22 5:12 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-07-22 19:09 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-22 8:03 ` Leif Roar Moldskred
2003-07-22 9:00 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-07-23 0:13 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-23 0:31 ` Bobby D. Bryant
2003-07-23 13:53 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-24 16:35 ` Richard Riehle
2003-07-25 1:21 ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-07-25 4:26 ` Richard Riehle
2003-07-25 12:35 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-25 15:47 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-07-25 16:51 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-25 18:44 ` Robert I. Eachus [this message]
2003-07-25 21:08 ` Simon Wright
2003-07-26 1:02 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-07-26 2:44 ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-07-27 17:05 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-27 22:19 ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-07-28 1:17 ` Berend de Boer
2003-07-28 2:39 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-07-28 3:16 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-28 17:34 ` Mike Silva
2003-07-28 18:03 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-29 0:41 ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-07-29 16:24 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-07-30 0:53 ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-07-31 21:41 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-08-01 20:19 ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-07-29 4:43 ` Richard Riehle
2003-07-29 6:06 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-29 8:06 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-07-29 19:42 ` Berend de Boer
2003-07-29 21:14 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-07-30 1:13 ` Berend de Boer
2003-07-30 12:58 ` Richard Riehle
2003-07-30 15:04 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-29 19:46 ` Berend de Boer
2003-07-30 6:19 ` Richard Riehle
2003-07-30 7:31 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-30 13:03 ` Richard Riehle
2003-07-30 13:16 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-07-30 15:06 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-30 15:15 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-07-30 16:46 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-30 16:54 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-07-31 8:28 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-07-31 9:36 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-07-31 16:28 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-07-29 19:34 ` Berend de Boer
2003-07-29 20:49 ` Simon Wright
2003-07-29 21:52 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-07-28 18:01 ` Non-philosophical definition of Eiffel? (was: Re: Ariane5 FAQ) Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-07-28 18:18 ` Non-philosophical definition of Eiffel? Hyman Rosen
2003-07-29 8:43 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-07-29 13:43 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-29 14:56 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-07-29 16:35 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-29 21:39 ` Jim Rogers
2003-07-29 22:33 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-30 8:48 ` Pascal Obry
2003-07-30 15:19 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-30 18:47 ` Frank J. Lhota
2003-07-30 19:24 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-08-04 18:15 ` Robert Spooner
2003-07-29 22:02 ` Matthew Woodcraft
2003-07-30 9:19 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-07-30 16:38 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-31 9:58 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-07-31 15:49 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-08-01 7:57 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-08-01 13:31 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-29 19:58 ` Berend de Boer
2003-07-29 20:33 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-30 1:20 ` Berend de Boer
2003-07-30 1:49 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-30 2:52 ` Berend de Boer
2003-07-30 4:33 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-30 4:40 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-30 13:16 ` Matthew Heaney
2003-07-30 20:08 ` Berend de Boer
2003-07-30 3:03 ` Berend de Boer
2003-07-30 4:31 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-30 20:20 ` Berend de Boer
2003-07-30 21:05 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-29 19:51 ` Berend de Boer
2003-07-28 2:11 ` Ariane5 FAQ Hyman Rosen
2003-07-25 17:39 ` Mike Silva
2003-07-25 21:53 ` John R. Strohm
2003-07-22 18:29 ` Mike Silva
2003-07-22 18:50 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-22 19:00 ` Bobby D. Bryant
2003-07-22 20:47 ` Mike Silva
2003-07-22 21:11 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-22 21:38 ` Bobby D. Bryant
2003-07-23 13:56 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-22 21:52 ` Larry Elmore
2003-07-23 14:11 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-23 15:08 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-07-23 17:48 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-23 18:42 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-07-23 20:18 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-23 22:58 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-07-24 1:42 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-24 5:24 ` Mike Silva
2003-07-24 9:57 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-07-24 13:52 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-24 15:00 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-07-23 20:33 ` Mike Silva
2003-07-23 21:35 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-23 23:10 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-07-24 5:16 ` Mike Silva
2003-07-22 4:57 ` Richard Riehle
2003-07-22 9:00 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-07-22 9:03 ` John McCabe
2003-07-22 12:28 ` Marin David Condic
2003-07-23 19:40 ` Simon Wright
2003-07-22 3:11 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-07-22 9:05 ` John McCabe
2003-07-22 9:38 ` Bobby D. Bryant
2003-07-22 16:38 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-07-21 22:03 ` Bobby D. Bryant
2003-07-22 1:57 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-21 18:56 ` Francisco Malpartida
2003-07-22 2:22 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-22 7:19 ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2003-07-22 19:06 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-22 21:24 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-07-23 11:55 ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2003-07-23 19:24 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-07-24 0:36 ` Bobby D. Bryant
2003-07-21 22:00 ` Bobby D. Bryant
2003-07-22 1:59 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-22 9:07 ` John McCabe
2003-07-22 13:25 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-22 0:16 ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-07-22 1:45 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-22 7:21 ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2003-07-21 23:24 ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-07-22 1:53 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-22 16:35 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-07-22 18:36 ` Mike Silva
2003-07-22 19:23 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-22 21:50 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-07-23 14:21 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-23 19:56 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-07-23 20:26 ` Hyman Rosen
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