From: "Robert I. Eachus" <rieachus@attbi.com>
Subject: Re: Ariane5 FAQ
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 21:24:13 GMT
Date: 2003-07-22T21:24:13+00:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <3F1DAB65.1090004@attbi.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 1058900795.12630@master.nyc.kbcfp.com
Hyman Rosen wrote:
> They didn't just move the software, they moved the hardware too.
> I don't "want" anything. The investigatory report says that the
> Ariane 4 SRI software and documentation failed to make obviously
> clear its dependence on the details of the Ariane 4 flight path,
> which helped lead to the assumption by the Ariane 5 people that
> it would "just work". The failure to check for overflow in the
> Ariane 4 code was not an essential part of its operation, but a
> shortcut taken in order to reduce CPU usage. Software which has
> such sensitive dependency on input is brittle and fragile, and
> should accordingly come plastered with warning stickers.
Why, why, do you keep spouting this nonsense? The documentation for the
SRI software not only showed a dependence on the Ariane 4 flight path,
but it explicitly stated that it had not been checked against the Ariane
5 requirements.
The massive failure was the direct result of the political and
management decisions which prevented the (Ariane 4 project) SRI
engineers from seeing the Ariane 5 requirements, and prevented all the
engineers, software, hardware, and test employed on the Ariane 5
development from ever seeing the Ariane 4 SRI documentation.
Now I could go on long and loud about a contract situation where the
Ariane 4 SRI upgrade was performened under those circumstances. But I
wouldn't expect it to have these consequences. It was the combination
of several separate management decisions, each of which can be
criticised in hindsight, but all with the same engineering consequence,
the Ariane 5 REQUIREMENTS were never compared to the Ariane 4 SRI
SPECIFICATION. If that had happened several major problems INCLUDING
this one would have been discovered.
In fact, the actual failure was caused by another of these mismatches.
The software for the engine controllers was set to take the data from
the SRI, compare it to the (current) stack limits then pass either the
maximum permitted deflection or the requested deflection to the servos.
So what happened when the engine controllers got junk data? The engines
were deflected to the structural limit for the Ariane 4 stack at this
point in its flight profile. Of course, the Ariane 5 stack was bigger,
the aerodynamic stresses greater, and it disintegrated. Then the range
safety officer triggered the self-destruct. The same thing could have
happened if Ariane 501 had hit wind shear.
Also the SRI software used the Ariane 4 moments of inertia in its
control laws. The report seems to indicate that there was a 10 Hz
ocillation building up due to this. If it had gone on would that have
been sufficient to destroy Ariane 501? Probably.
--
Robert I. Eachus
�In an ally, considerations of house, clan, planet, race are
insignificant beside two prime questions, which are: 1. Can he shoot? 2.
Will he aim at your enemy?� -- from the Laiden novels by Sharon Lee and
Steve Miller.
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Thread overview: 158+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2003-07-21 2:10 Ariane5 FAQ Alexandre E. Kopilovitch
2003-07-21 14:52 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-21 15:54 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-07-21 18:01 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-21 18:10 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-07-21 18:49 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-21 19:13 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-07-21 19:43 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-21 20:46 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-07-22 2:04 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-22 5:12 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-07-22 19:09 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-22 8:03 ` Leif Roar Moldskred
2003-07-22 9:00 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-07-23 0:13 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-23 0:31 ` Bobby D. Bryant
2003-07-23 13:53 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-24 16:35 ` Richard Riehle
2003-07-25 1:21 ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-07-25 4:26 ` Richard Riehle
2003-07-25 12:35 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-25 15:47 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-07-25 16:51 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-25 18:44 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-07-25 21:08 ` Simon Wright
2003-07-26 1:02 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-07-26 2:44 ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-07-27 17:05 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-27 22:19 ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-07-28 1:17 ` Berend de Boer
2003-07-28 2:39 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-07-28 3:16 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-28 17:34 ` Mike Silva
2003-07-28 18:03 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-29 0:41 ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-07-29 16:24 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-07-30 0:53 ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-07-31 21:41 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-08-01 20:19 ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-07-29 4:43 ` Richard Riehle
2003-07-29 6:06 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-29 8:06 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-07-29 19:42 ` Berend de Boer
2003-07-29 21:14 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-07-30 1:13 ` Berend de Boer
2003-07-30 12:58 ` Richard Riehle
2003-07-30 15:04 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-29 19:46 ` Berend de Boer
2003-07-30 6:19 ` Richard Riehle
2003-07-30 7:31 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-30 13:03 ` Richard Riehle
2003-07-30 13:16 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-07-30 15:06 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-30 15:15 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-07-30 16:46 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-30 16:54 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-07-31 8:28 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-07-31 9:36 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-07-31 16:28 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-07-29 19:34 ` Berend de Boer
2003-07-29 20:49 ` Simon Wright
2003-07-29 21:52 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-07-28 18:01 ` Non-philosophical definition of Eiffel? (was: Re: Ariane5 FAQ) Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-07-28 18:18 ` Non-philosophical definition of Eiffel? Hyman Rosen
2003-07-29 8:43 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-07-29 13:43 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-29 14:56 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-07-29 16:35 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-29 21:39 ` Jim Rogers
2003-07-29 22:33 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-30 8:48 ` Pascal Obry
2003-07-30 15:19 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-30 18:47 ` Frank J. Lhota
2003-07-30 19:24 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-08-04 18:15 ` Robert Spooner
2003-07-29 22:02 ` Matthew Woodcraft
2003-07-30 9:19 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-07-30 16:38 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-31 9:58 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-07-31 15:49 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-08-01 7:57 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-08-01 13:31 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-29 19:58 ` Berend de Boer
2003-07-29 20:33 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-30 1:20 ` Berend de Boer
2003-07-30 1:49 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-30 2:52 ` Berend de Boer
2003-07-30 4:33 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-30 4:40 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-30 13:16 ` Matthew Heaney
2003-07-30 20:08 ` Berend de Boer
2003-07-30 3:03 ` Berend de Boer
2003-07-30 4:31 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-30 20:20 ` Berend de Boer
2003-07-30 21:05 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-29 19:51 ` Berend de Boer
2003-07-28 2:11 ` Ariane5 FAQ Hyman Rosen
2003-07-25 17:39 ` Mike Silva
2003-07-25 21:53 ` John R. Strohm
2003-07-22 18:29 ` Mike Silva
2003-07-22 18:50 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-22 19:00 ` Bobby D. Bryant
2003-07-22 20:47 ` Mike Silva
2003-07-22 21:11 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-22 21:38 ` Bobby D. Bryant
2003-07-23 13:56 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-22 21:52 ` Larry Elmore
2003-07-23 14:11 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-23 15:08 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-07-23 17:48 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-23 18:42 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-07-23 20:18 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-23 22:58 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-07-24 1:42 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-24 5:24 ` Mike Silva
2003-07-24 9:57 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-07-24 13:52 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-24 15:00 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-07-23 20:33 ` Mike Silva
2003-07-23 21:35 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-23 23:10 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-07-24 5:16 ` Mike Silva
2003-07-22 4:57 ` Richard Riehle
2003-07-22 9:00 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-07-22 9:03 ` John McCabe
2003-07-22 12:28 ` Marin David Condic
2003-07-23 19:40 ` Simon Wright
2003-07-22 3:11 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-07-22 9:05 ` John McCabe
2003-07-22 9:38 ` Bobby D. Bryant
2003-07-22 16:38 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-07-21 22:03 ` Bobby D. Bryant
2003-07-22 1:57 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-21 18:56 ` Francisco Malpartida
2003-07-22 2:22 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-22 7:19 ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2003-07-22 19:06 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-22 21:24 ` Robert I. Eachus [this message]
2003-07-23 11:55 ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2003-07-23 19:24 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-07-24 0:36 ` Bobby D. Bryant
2003-07-21 22:00 ` Bobby D. Bryant
2003-07-22 1:59 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-22 9:07 ` John McCabe
2003-07-22 13:25 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-22 0:16 ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-07-22 1:45 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-22 7:21 ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2003-07-21 23:24 ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-07-22 1:53 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-22 16:35 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-07-22 18:36 ` Mike Silva
2003-07-22 19:23 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-22 21:50 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-07-23 14:21 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-23 19:56 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-07-23 20:26 ` Hyman Rosen
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