From: Marin David Condic <nobody@noplace.com>
Subject: Re: Crosspost: Help wanted from comp.compilers
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 08:25:59 -0400
Date: 2003-07-17T12:26:02+00:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <3F1695D7.8010306@noplace.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: P7nRa.2159$7O.909@nwrdny01.gnilink.net
Not always the compiler maker either. I know that the DEC compilers had
a "feature" wherein they could compile a file on two different occasions
and get different code, despite there being no change in the file. The
reason was that the optimizer took advantage of the available working
set to bring in more code for optimization. Depending on the demand for
memory, it might get more or less memory on two different passes and
hence could (and did on at least three occasions I witnessed) produce
different code for an unchanged file. It was rare, but it was a risk.
For most people, this wouldn't be a problem, but for safety critical
embedded systems, it was.
Maybe this example doesn't really apply to specifications, since there
may not be much/any code generation going on and little/no optimization
- but it illustrates the difficulties the compiler writers may have in
knowing the consequences of what may happen in the field.
So, yes, I agree, compilers ought not to force recompilation when it is
unnecessary. But sometimes it is difficult to know when "unnecessary" is
a certainty & I can be forgiving of implementations that try to err on
the side of caution.
MDC
Hyman Rosen wrote:
> Marin David Condic wrote:
>
>> Can you really be certain that if you recompile a spec with different
>
> > compiler options, that this will in no way impact the way other things
> > might rely on it?
>
> Me, no. The compiler maker, yes.
>
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2003-07-15 5:46 Crosspost: Help wanted from comp.compilers John R. Strohm
2003-07-15 13:30 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-15 14:07 ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-07-15 21:02 ` John R. Strohm
2003-07-15 23:00 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-07-16 1:52 ` Jeffrey Carter
2003-07-16 4:45 ` John R. Strohm
2003-07-16 3:21 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-16 17:15 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-07-16 17:38 ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-07-16 18:04 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-16 21:05 ` John R. Strohm
2003-07-16 21:23 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-16 23:23 ` Marin David Condic
2003-07-17 1:39 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-17 12:25 ` Marin David Condic [this message]
2003-07-17 1:48 ` Randy Brukardt
2003-07-17 2:06 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-17 6:44 ` tmoran
2003-07-17 7:59 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-17 18:02 ` tmoran
2003-07-19 16:51 ` Richard Riehle
2003-07-20 10:38 ` Marin David Condic
2003-07-22 20:29 ` Simon Wright
2003-07-17 8:37 ` tmoran
2003-07-17 14:10 ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-07-17 18:02 ` tmoran
2003-07-17 18:14 ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-07-17 19:29 ` Robert A Duff
2003-07-17 13:12 ` Frank J. Lhota
2003-07-17 13:33 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-17 4:29 ` John R. Strohm
2003-07-17 4:58 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-17 6:44 ` tmoran
2003-07-17 7:50 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-17 18:02 ` tmoran
2003-07-17 18:14 ` Ed Falis
2003-07-17 18:35 ` David C. Hoos
2003-07-17 19:13 ` Ed Falis
2003-07-17 19:24 ` Robert A Duff
2003-07-17 19:39 ` Ed Falis
2003-07-17 20:20 ` Robert A Duff
2003-07-17 20:31 ` Ed Falis
2003-07-17 19:40 ` tmoran
2003-07-17 19:47 ` Ed Falis
2003-07-17 21:23 ` tmoran
2003-07-17 22:38 ` Ed Falis
2003-07-17 6:46 ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2003-07-17 9:50 ` Preben Randhol
2003-07-17 21:45 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-18 1:22 ` John R. Strohm
2003-07-18 3:15 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-18 6:18 ` John R. Strohm
2003-07-18 14:43 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-19 5:25 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-07-20 14:42 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-20 18:46 ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-07-21 15:37 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-21 17:59 ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-07-20 23:06 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-07-21 15:14 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-21 20:11 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-07-22 2:19 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-22 4:54 ` John R. Strohm
2003-07-22 5:02 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-07-22 11:53 ` Marin David Condic
2003-07-22 17:58 ` Randy Brukardt
2003-07-22 19:16 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-23 7:20 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-07-23 14:27 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-23 15:08 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-07-21 16:00 ` tmoran
2003-07-21 23:54 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-07-18 11:31 ` Larry Kilgallen
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2003-07-18 14:43 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-07-18 11:28 ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-07-16 23:14 ` Marin David Condic
2003-07-17 4:08 ` John R. Strohm
2003-07-17 9:42 ` Preben Randhol
2003-07-18 17:18 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-07-18 17:42 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-15 21:59 ` Christopher Browne
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