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From: "Warren W. Gay VE3WWG" <ve3wwg@cogeco.ca>
Subject: Re: ISO/IEC 14519 - Ada POSIX binding
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 12:54:12 -0400
Date: 2003-06-23T12:54:12-04:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3EF730B4.2060408@cogeco.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: m37k7frqmi.fsf@insalien.org

Ludovic Brenta wrote:
> Mark Lorenzen <mark.lorenzen@ofir.dk> writes:
...
> And here is another argument to support POSIX.5: Designing a new,
> incompatible, 

Whoa on incompatible! Incompatible to what?!?! There is not networking
package on Ada yet. There is no compatibility required!

> Ada interface to OS services would be a huge effort that
> would not necessarily yield better results than POSIX.5, 

No, and no. An Ada.Sockets package is not a complete re-implementation
of networking services any more than Ada.Text_IO must be. In GNAT
for example, the C stdio functions are used underneath the hood. In
the same way, any Ada.Sockets package is not required to re-invent
anything. It is merely a binding to O/S services, except in special
COTS like situations where the vendor may not supply any TCP/IP
service.

> but the
> results would definitely arrive at least 11 years after POSIX.5.  

Bzzzt. Wrong answer. ;-)

Many people have already implemented sockets packages that
are bindings. Ask them how long it took them.

 > So,
> I think it would be better to take POSIX.5 as a given, and spend
> quality time on standardising containers, for example.
> 
> To conclude: IMHO, designing a new Ada standard for sockets amounts to
> reinventing the wheel.

No. Ada.Text_IO is not a re-invention of stdio. For GNAT users, this
merely presents an _interface_. In most cases, this is what
Ada.Sockets will be. An _interface_.

The _only_ exception might be in embedded system situations where
the vendor has chosen to provide TCP/IP support in this way. But
even then, I doubt you would find it happen that way.

-- 
Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
http://home.cogeco.ca/~ve3wwg




  reply	other threads:[~2003-06-23 16:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-06-19 21:43 ISO/IEC 14519 - Ada POSIX binding Mark Lorenzen
2003-06-19 21:29 ` tmoran
2003-06-28 23:48   ` Richard Riehle
2003-06-20 11:57 ` Marin David Condic
2003-06-20 14:08   ` Ludovic Brenta
2003-06-20 16:39     ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-06-20 18:33       ` tmoran
2003-06-20 19:09         ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-06-21 19:14         ` Florian Weimer
2003-06-21 19:42           ` tmoran
2003-06-21 21:04             ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-06-29 15:05             ` Florian Weimer
2003-06-20 19:24       ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-06-20 20:49         ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-06-20 20:49       ` Wesley Groleau
2003-06-20 23:05         ` Mark Lorenzen
2003-06-21  1:49         ` David Emery
2003-06-21 19:19           ` Florian Weimer
2003-06-21 21:47             ` David Emery
2003-06-21 22:22               ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-06-23 16:13               ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-06-23 22:41                 ` Berend de Boer
2003-06-24  9:52                   ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2003-06-24 20:43                     ` Berend de Boer
2003-06-25  9:02                       ` Pascal Obry
2003-06-25  9:46                       ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2003-06-25 21:19                         ` Berend de Boer
2003-06-21 13:01       ` Pascal Obry
2003-06-21 12:11     ` Marin David Condic
2003-06-21 12:44       ` Ludovic Brenta
2003-06-21 13:03         ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-06-21 22:28           ` Ludovic Brenta
2003-06-22  3:45             ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-06-22  8:47               ` Mark Lorenzen
2003-06-23 16:36         ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-06-24 11:46           ` Marin David Condic
2003-06-21 19:09 ` Florian Weimer
2003-06-21 22:38   ` Mark Lorenzen
2003-06-21 22:51     ` Ludovic Brenta
2003-06-23 16:54       ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG [this message]
2003-06-24 11:49         ` Marin David Condic
2003-06-24 13:31           ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-06-23 16:46     ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-06-23 22:43       ` Berend de Boer
2003-06-29 15:10     ` Florian Weimer
2003-06-29 20:58       ` David Emery
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