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From: Richard Riehle <richard@adaworks.com>
Subject: Re: Ideas for Ada 200X
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 17:42:24 -0700
Date: 2003-06-12T00:39:53+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3EE7CC70.E1FD3A67@adaworks.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: bebbba07.0306101640.19178e81@posting.google.com

Russ wrote:

> Preben Randhol <randhol+abuse@pvv.org> wrote in message news:<slrnbebc2b.ht.randhol+abuse@kiuk0152.chembio.ntnu.no>...
> > Russ wrote:
> > > Secondly, I'll bet that far more programmers use "+=", when given the
> > > option, than don't. How many C++ or Python programmers do you think
> > > write var1 = var1 + var2 when they can write var1 += var2? Not many
> > > good ones, I'll bet.
> >
> > What about *= and /= ?
>
> I think those get used quite a bit too, though probably not as much as
> += and -=.

I think it is important to consider this proposed addition to the language
in terms of the underlying goal of Ada.  I paraphrase,

             A language design that enables a compiler to detect and report
             on the maximum number of errors as early in the development
             process as possible.

The implications of that design goal include a strong model for confirmability,
a high degree of internal consistency, along with a syntax and a semantics that
supports that goal.

Can this goal be supported with +=,  *=,  /=, and other variations from the
C family of languages?  I submit that it can.   Can there be some underlying
benefit from these variations that might improve optimization of code?  I
think that is still not proven, even though there cases in C and C++ where
there is a difference.

Should we do what can be done simply because it can be done?   We must
ask ourselves, "At what price?"    Will it help make Ada more popular?
Hardly.  Will it make it more readable?  Not likely.   Will it improve support
for the above stated goal?   Probably not.

In the end, the argument boils down to the issue of making one language look
like another, and benefits seem marginal, at best.    I have yet to see anyone
cite the benefits for this addition to the language.

Richard Riehle




  parent reply	other threads:[~2003-06-12  0:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 456+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-05-27  7:44 Ideas for Ada 200X Tony Gair
2003-05-27 13:56 ` Preben Randhol
2003-05-27 15:09   ` chris.danx
2003-05-28 12:19     ` Marin David Condic
2003-05-28 14:31       ` Mark Lorenzen
2003-05-28 13:35         ` Mirko Aigner
2003-05-28 14:37       ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2003-05-28 17:01         ` Ideas for Ada 200X (Ada.Sockets) Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-05-28 17:43           ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-05-28 18:09             ` Jano
2003-05-28 19:24               ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-05-28 19:02             ` chris.danx
2003-05-28 21:20               ` Robert A Duff
2003-05-29 15:45                 ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2003-05-29 16:53                   ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-05-30  9:42                     ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2003-05-30 17:17                       ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-05-30 18:52                         ` Wesley Groleau
2003-05-30 20:52                           ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-05-31  6:12                             ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2003-05-30 21:32                         ` Simon Wright
2003-06-02 21:01                           ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-06-04 21:30                             ` Simon Wright
2003-05-31  6:05                         ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2003-06-01 20:54                           ` Ideas for Ada 200X (Ada.Sockets, enlightened) Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-06-02  7:45                             ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2003-06-02 17:02                               ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-05-29 17:08                   ` Ideas for Ada 200X (Ada.Sockets) tmoran
2003-05-30  9:47                     ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2003-05-30  0:23                   ` Ideas for Ada 200X (CONSOLE_IO) Richard Riehle
2003-05-30  9:46                     ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2003-05-30  7:39                   ` Ideas for Ada 200X (Ada.Sockets) Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-06-02  8:32                 ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2003-06-02 14:00                   ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-06-03  8:11                     ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2003-05-28 19:56             ` Martin Dowie
2003-05-28 21:04             ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-05-28 23:05               ` Robert A Duff
2003-05-29 15:47               ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2003-05-29 16:42                 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-05-30  9:57                   ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2003-05-30 17:25                     ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-05-29 15:16             ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2003-05-28 17:53         ` Ideas for Ada 200X Marin David Condic
2003-05-29 15:52           ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2003-05-30 12:17             ` Marin David Condic
2003-05-30 17:34               ` Ideas for Ada 200X (GNAT.IO_Aux.Get_Line) Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-05-31 18:43                 ` Richard Riehle
2003-06-01 19:38                   ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-06-03  0:20                     ` Randy Brukardt
2003-05-28 15:57       ` Ideas for Ada 200X Robert C. Leif
2003-05-28 19:06         ` chris.danx
2003-05-30  0:39       ` Richard Riehle
2003-05-30  6:49         ` Preben Randhol
2003-05-30 15:15           ` Richard Riehle
2003-05-30 12:30         ` Marin David Condic
2003-05-30 13:29           ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2003-05-30 15:24             ` Richard Riehle
2003-05-30 16:02               ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2003-05-30 21:15                 ` Simon Wright
2003-05-30 17:26               ` Wesley Groleau
2003-05-30 19:17                 ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-05-30 20:40                   ` Wesley Groleau
2003-05-31  3:37                 ` Marin David Condic
2003-05-30 21:10           ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-05-31  3:51             ` Marin David Condic
2003-05-31 12:15               ` Dale Stanbrough
2003-05-31 12:49                 ` Marin David Condic
2003-05-31 13:27               ` Simon Wright
2003-05-31 22:09                 ` Marin David Condic
2003-06-01  3:09                   ` Robert C. Leif
2003-06-01  9:19                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-06-01 20:39                       ` Robert C. Leif
2003-06-02  5:13                   ` Wesley Groleau
2003-06-02 12:15                     ` Marin David Condic
2003-06-02 18:46                       ` Wesley Groleau
2003-06-02 17:31               ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-09-12 12:20               ` How to get a »Conventional Ada Library« (Was: Ideas for Ada 200X) Jacob Sparre Andersen
2003-09-12 12:52                 ` Marin David Condic
2003-09-12 13:07                 ` How to get a �Conventional Ada Library� " Martin Dowie
2003-09-13 12:41                   ` How to get a »Conventional Ada Library« " Marin David Condic
2003-09-12 17:43                 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-13  8:37                   ` Mário Amado Alves
2003-09-13 13:08                   ` Marin David Condic
2003-09-13 20:48                     ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-14 20:05                       ` Marin David Condic
2003-09-18 16:22                     ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-09-19 12:22                       ` Marin David Condic
2003-09-19 16:25                         ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-09-20  2:57                           ` Marin David Condic
2003-09-26  0:13                       ` Matthew Heaney
2003-09-26 13:11                         ` Marin David Condic
2003-09-27  1:06                           ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-27 14:59                             ` Marin David Condic
2003-09-27 23:31                               ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-28 14:55                                 ` Marin David Condic
2003-09-28 17:56                                   ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-29 22:14                                     ` Marin David Condic
2003-06-02  4:51             ` Ideas for Ada 200X Robert C. Leif
2003-05-30 19:43       ` chris.danx
2003-05-28  3:38 ` Frank
2003-05-27 18:53   ` Wesley Groleau
2003-05-28 17:02     ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-05-27 20:38   ` Gautier Write-only
2003-05-28 10:12     ` domin
2003-05-28 10:17       ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-05-28 10:51       ` Preben Randhol
2003-05-29  3:02       ` Wesley Groleau
2003-05-29 18:51         ` Robert A Duff
2003-05-30  6:46           ` Preben Randhol
2003-05-31 18:59           ` Richard Riehle
2003-06-02  8:54             ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-06-03  5:59               ` Richard Riehle
2003-05-28 10:17     ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-05-28 10:30       ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-05-28 10:51         ` Ian Wild
2003-05-28 11:19           ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-05-28 21:34             ` Robert A Duff
2003-05-29 20:56               ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-06-02 11:00               ` Ian Wild
2003-05-28 17:35     ` Alfred Hilscher
2003-05-31 18:46     ` Richard Riehle
2003-05-27 20:43   ` Martin Dowie
2003-05-28  0:25   ` Robert C. Leif
2003-05-28 10:54     ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-05-28 16:03       ` Robert C. Leif
2003-05-28  1:38   ` Jeffrey Carter
2003-05-28  8:04     ` Stuart Palin
2003-05-28  8:06       ` Stuart Palin
2003-05-28  9:44         ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-05-28 13:27           ` Stephen Leake
2003-05-28 15:38             ` Stuart Palin
2003-05-28 17:38         ` Alfred Hilscher
2003-05-28 17:08           ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-05-28 17:38             ` Robert A Duff
2003-05-28 18:30               ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2003-05-28 18:54                 ` Robert A Duff
2003-05-28 20:01                   ` Martin Dowie
2003-05-29  0:14               ` Hyman Rosen
2003-05-29  2:53               ` Wesley Groleau
2003-05-29 18:49                 ` Robert A Duff
2003-05-30  2:38                   ` Mark A. Biggar
2003-05-30 12:55                     ` Robert A Duff
2003-05-30 13:27                       ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2003-05-29  9:17               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-05-30 10:19                 ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2003-05-30 10:36                   ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-05-30 10:43                     ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2003-05-30 13:04                       ` Robert A Duff
2003-05-31 10:17                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-05-28 18:50             ` Pascal Obry
2003-05-29 12:40             ` Alfred Hilscher
2003-05-29 20:59               ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-05-30  6:40             ` Preben Randhol
2003-05-29  2:59           ` Steve
2003-05-29 21:01             ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-05-30  7:26             ` Russ
2003-05-30 16:23               ` Stephen Leake
2003-05-30 17:13                 ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-06-02  9:30                   ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2003-06-02 11:28                     ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-06-02 13:45                     ` Bill Findlay
2003-06-02 13:57                       ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-06-02 14:25                         ` Bill Findlay
2003-06-02 14:55                           ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-06-02 15:46                       ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2003-05-31  0:49                 ` Russ
2003-05-31  6:45                   ` Pascal Obry
2003-05-31 10:25                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-05-31 11:42                       ` Pascal Obry
2003-05-31 13:42                         ` Bill Findlay
2003-05-31 13:59                           ` Bill Findlay
2003-05-31 15:31                           ` John R. Strohm
2003-05-31 16:04                             ` Bill Findlay
2003-05-31 19:18                               ` John R. Strohm
2003-05-31 22:50                                 ` Bill Findlay
2003-06-01  0:15                                   ` John R. Strohm
2003-06-01  1:13                                     ` Bill Findlay
2003-06-02  5:20                             ` [off-topic] format request Wesley Groleau
2003-06-02  6:56                               ` John R. Strohm
2003-06-02 18:51                                 ` Wesley Groleau
2003-06-03  0:42                                   ` John R. Strohm
2003-06-02  6:59                               ` John R. Strohm
2003-05-31 17:18                           ` Ideas for Ada 200X Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-05-31 18:23                             ` Bill Findlay
2003-05-31 22:09                               ` Bill Findlay
2003-05-31 20:08                           ` Robert A Duff
2003-05-31 21:38                             ` John R. Strohm
2003-05-31 23:14                               ` Preben Randhol
2003-05-31 23:51                               ` Robert A Duff
2003-05-31 19:05                     ` Richard Riehle
2003-05-31 23:13                       ` Preben Randhol
2003-06-02  9:36                         ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2003-06-02 11:06                           ` Preben Randhol
2003-05-31  9:27                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-05-31 13:42                   ` Preben Randhol
2003-06-02 16:29                   ` Stephen Leake
2003-06-02 17:58                     ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-06-02 19:11                       ` Stephen Leake
2003-06-02 21:58                         ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-06-03 15:40                           ` Word origins Stephen Leake
2003-06-03 15:51                             ` Preben Randhol
2003-06-04  7:38                               ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-06-04  7:38                             ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-06-16 21:38                           ` Ideas for Ada 200X Vinzent Hoefler
2003-06-03  2:59                     ` Steve
2003-05-30 17:18               ` Wesley Groleau
2003-05-30 17:41                 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-05-30 18:47                   ` Wesley Groleau
2003-05-31 18:49                 ` Russ
2003-06-02  5:27                   ` Wesley Groleau
2003-06-03  5:27                     ` Russ
2003-06-03  7:36                       ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2003-06-03 19:01                         ` Russ
2003-06-03 21:03                           ` tmoran
2003-06-04  2:25                             ` Russ
2003-06-04  1:18                           ` tmoran
2003-06-04 10:10                             ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2003-06-04 13:33                               ` Bill Findlay
2003-06-04 14:21                                 ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2003-06-04 20:04                                   ` Bill Findlay
2003-06-05  7:55                                     ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2003-06-04 13:43                               ` Bill Findlay
2003-06-04 14:50                                 ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2003-06-04 18:10                               ` tmoran
2003-06-05  7:41                                 ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2003-06-04 10:16                             ` Preben Randhol
2003-06-04  8:37                           ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2003-06-03  8:09                       ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2003-06-03 17:58                         ` Russ
2003-06-05  2:18                           ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-06-05  8:32                             ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2003-06-03 11:30                       ` Preben Randhol
2003-06-03 11:32                         ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2003-06-03 11:46                           ` Marin David Condic
2003-06-03 12:13                             ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2003-06-03 12:32                               ` Preben Randhol
2003-06-03 12:37                                 ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2003-06-03 12:50                                   ` Preben Randhol
2003-06-03 13:20                                     ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2003-06-03 14:13                                       ` Preben Randhol
2003-06-03 14:22                                       ` Preben Randhol
2003-06-03 14:25                                       ` Adrian Knoth
2003-06-03 14:22                                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-06-03 14:37                                     ` Bill Findlay
2003-06-03 16:33                                       ` Robert A Duff
2003-06-03 16:43                                         ` Bill Findlay
2003-06-03 12:06                           ` Preben Randhol
2003-06-03 12:23                             ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2003-06-03 13:36                               ` Bill Findlay
2003-06-03 16:44                                 ` Robert A Duff
2003-06-03 17:01                                   ` Hyman Rosen
2003-06-03 18:47                                   ` Bill Findlay
2003-06-03 19:18                                     ` Robert A Duff
2003-06-03 19:39                                 ` Russ
2003-06-03 20:49                                   ` Bill Findlay
2003-06-03 13:15                             ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2003-06-03 12:37                       ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-06-03 15:26                       ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-06-03 22:20                         ` Russ
2003-06-03 22:44                           ` Bill Findlay
2003-06-04  2:37                             ` Russ
2003-06-04  9:16                               ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2003-06-04 10:21                               ` Preben Randhol
2003-06-04 12:51                               ` Robert A Duff
2003-06-05  6:06                                 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-06-04 16:59                               ` Stephen Leake
2003-06-04 22:38                                 ` Russ
2003-06-05 17:56                                   ` Stephen Leake
2003-06-06 17:15                                     ` Russ
2003-06-06 20:20                                       ` Robert A Duff
2003-06-07  6:24                                         ` Russ
2003-06-09 18:15                                           ` Stephen Leake
2003-06-10  6:33                                             ` Russ
2003-06-10  6:51                                               ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-06-10 10:18                                               ` Preben Randhol
2003-06-11  0:40                                                 ` Russ
2003-06-11  6:00                                                   ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-06-11  7:29                                                   ` Preben Randhol
2003-06-11 12:53                                                   ` Frank J. Lhota
2003-06-12  0:42                                                   ` Richard Riehle [this message]
2003-06-12 19:16                                                     ` Russ
2003-06-12 23:10                                                       ` Richard Riehle
2003-06-13  5:41                                                         ` Russ
2003-06-13  6:39                                                           ` tmoran
2003-06-13 12:19                                                             ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-06-13 13:40                                                             ` Hyman Rosen
2003-06-13  7:24                                                           ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-06-13 17:41                                                             ` Russ
2003-06-14 10:53                                                               ` Preben Randhol
2003-06-14 15:02                                                                 ` James Rogers
2003-06-14 15:39                                                                   ` Preben Randhol
2003-06-14 18:45                                                                 ` Russ
2003-06-16 11:23                                                               ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-06-13 11:22                                                           ` Preben Randhol
2003-06-13 17:55                                                             ` Russ
2003-06-13 16:22                                                           ` Richard Riehle
2003-06-13  7:24                                                       ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-06-14  2:12                                                         ` Steve
2003-06-15 17:05                                                           ` Richard Riehle
2003-06-15 18:05                                                             ` Sergey Koshcheyev
2003-06-16  5:45                                                               ` Richard Riehle
2003-06-16  5:10                                                             ` Steve
2003-06-16 13:49                                                               ` Bill Findlay
2003-06-16 14:07                                                                 ` Larry Hazel
2003-06-16 17:43                                                                   ` Russ
2003-06-16 16:19                                                                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-06-16 16:56                                                                   ` Bill Findlay
2003-06-16 17:09                                                                     ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-06-16 17:44                                                                       ` Bill Findlay
2003-06-16 19:14                                                                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-06-16 20:24                                                                           ` Bill Findlay
2003-06-16  6:25                                                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-06-16 17:16                                                             ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2003-06-16 17:46                                                               ` Bill Findlay
2003-06-16 18:19                                                                 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-06-16 18:40                                                                   ` Bill Findlay
2003-06-16 19:09                                                                     ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-06-16 19:29                                                                       ` Ideas for Ada 200X "left hand side" repeater Wesley Groleau
2003-06-16 20:31                                                                         ` Bill Findlay
2003-06-16 23:27                                                                           ` Wesley Groleau
2003-06-17  0:30                                                                         ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-06-17  8:18                                                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-06-17 10:37                                                                             ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-06-17 10:59                                                                           ` Bill Findlay
2003-06-17 13:16                                                                             ` Bill Findlay
2003-06-17 13:38                                                                               ` Preben Randhol
2003-06-17 13:43                                                                                 ` Bill Findlay
2003-06-17 13:56                                                                                   ` Preben Randhol
2003-06-17 16:59                                                                                     ` Wesley Groleau
2003-06-17 17:29                                                                                       ` Bill Findlay
2003-06-18  7:52                                                                                         ` Preben Randhol
2003-06-18 14:39                                                                                           ` Bill Findlay
2003-06-18  7:48                                                                                       ` Preben Randhol
2003-06-19  3:20                                                                                         ` Wesley Groleau
2003-06-19 12:22                                                                                           ` Preben Randhol
2003-06-19 16:23                                                                                             ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-06-20  7:29                                                                                               ` Preben Randhol
2003-06-20  8:00                                                                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-06-17 21:03                                                                               ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-06-18 22:13                                                                                 ` John R. Strohm
2003-06-18 23:50                                                                                   ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-06-17 15:23                                                                             ` Francisco Javier Loma Daza
2003-06-16 20:14                                                                       ` Ideas for Ada 200X Bill Findlay
2003-06-16 20:33                                                                         ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-06-16 20:52                                                                     ` Preben Randhol
2003-06-16 21:08                                                                       ` Bill Findlay
2003-06-16 21:13                                                                         ` Preben Randhol
2003-06-16 21:35                                                                           ` Bill Findlay
2003-06-17  8:08                                                                             ` Preben Randhol
2003-06-16 21:24                                                                         ` Pascal Obry
2003-06-16 21:30                                                                           ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-06-16 21:41                                                                             ` Bill Findlay
2003-06-16 21:52                                                                               ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-06-17 13:13                                                                                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-06-18  7:18                                                                                   ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-06-16 21:32                                                                           ` Bill Findlay
2003-06-17  5:56                                                                     ` Russ
2003-06-17  8:18                                                                       ` Preben Randhol
2003-06-17 19:48                                                                         ` Russ
2003-06-18  7:58                                                                           ` Preben Randhol
2003-06-17 22:20                                                                         ` Russ
2003-06-17 22:36                                                                           ` Bill Findlay
2003-06-19  1:39                                                                             ` Russ
2003-06-18  8:06                                                                           ` Preben Randhol
2003-06-18  8:10                                                                             ` Preben Randhol
2003-06-18 18:50                                                                           ` Brian Gaffney
2003-06-18 21:38                                                                             ` Russ
2003-06-19  7:42                                                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-06-19 17:33                                                                                 ` Russ
2003-06-20  7:53                                                                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-06-19 20:22                                                                               ` Brian Gaffney
2003-06-18 15:00                                                                     ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-06-19  0:31                                                                       ` Amir Yantimirov
2003-06-19 12:24                                                                         ` Preben Randhol
2003-06-20  2:08                                                                           ` Amir Yantimirov
2003-06-20  7:36                                                                             ` Preben Randhol
2003-06-21 12:20                                                                               ` John R. Strohm
2003-06-19 18:37                                                                       ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-06-24 10:08                                                                         ` AG
2003-06-24 10:11                                                                           ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2003-06-25 20:06                                                                             ` Bill Findlay
2003-06-26  3:02                                                                               ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-06-17  5:10                                                             ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-06-16 11:23                                                           ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-06-16 15:36                                                             ` Wesley Groleau
2003-06-16 15:41                                                               ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-06-17  5:24                                                             ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-06-13 11:31                                                       ` Preben Randhol
2003-06-13 18:22                                                         ` Russ
2003-06-14 10:59                                                           ` Preben Randhol
2003-06-13 11:33                                                       ` Preben Randhol
2003-06-14  9:07                                                         ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-06-11  3:45                                               ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-06-10  9:12                                           ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2003-06-05 19:14                                   ` Wesley Groleau
2003-06-06 18:10                                     ` Russ
2003-06-06 19:10                                       ` Stephen Leake
2003-06-07  1:16                                       ` Wesley Groleau
2003-06-07  5:50                                         ` Russ
2003-06-07  6:32                                           ` tmoran
2003-06-07 18:39                                             ` Russ
2003-06-07 20:00                                               ` Wesley Groleau
2003-06-07 23:04                                                 ` tmoran
2003-06-08  0:48                                                   ` tmoran
2003-06-08  3:49                                                   ` Wesley Groleau
2003-06-08  3:32                                             ` Hyman Rosen
2003-06-09  7:08                                               ` Russ
2003-06-09  7:36                                                 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-06-09 15:51                                                 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-06-09 16:35                                                   ` tmoran
2003-06-09 16:56                                                     ` Hyman Rosen
2003-06-09 18:29                                                       ` tmoran
2003-06-09 19:49                                                         ` Hyman Rosen
2003-06-10 20:33                                                         ` Hyman Rosen
2003-06-10 21:17                                                           ` Ole Kristensen
2003-06-10 23:26                                                             ` tmoran
2003-06-11  4:07                                                               ` Hyman Rosen
2003-06-11  4:23                                                                 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-06-11 10:15                                                               ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2003-06-11 10:22                                                               ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2003-06-11  4:17                                                           ` Hyman Rosen
2003-06-04  9:11                           ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2003-06-04 16:54                           ` Stephen Leake
2003-06-05  4:40                           ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-06-05  8:27                             ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2003-06-05 12:49                               ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2003-06-05 18:02                               ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-06-05 14:14                             ` Bill Findlay
2003-06-05 18:06                             ` Stephen Leake
2003-06-06  1:59                               ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-06-09 23:57                                 ` Robert A Duff
2003-06-03 15:32                       ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-05-30 19:56               ` Robert A Duff
2003-05-31  4:30                 ` Russ
2003-06-02  5:17                   ` Wesley Groleau
2003-05-29  7:32           ` Martin Krischik
2003-05-29 22:48             ` Hyman Rosen
2003-05-30  6:13               ` Martin Krischik
2003-05-30  7:38                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-05-30 16:08                   ` Stephen Leake
2003-05-30 17:12                   ` Wesley Groleau
2003-05-30 17:25                     ` Preben Randhol
2003-05-30 18:49                       ` Wesley Groleau
2003-05-31 13:36                         ` Preben Randhol
2003-05-31  9:28                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-05-30  9:09                 ` Preben Randhol
2003-05-30 13:32                 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-05-30 16:16                   ` Stephen Leake
2003-05-30 17:22                     ` Hyman Rosen
2003-05-30  6:20           ` Preben Randhol
2003-05-29  2:01         ` Jeffrey Carter
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-06-20  1:34 Russ
2003-06-20  2:13 ` Wesley Groleau
2003-06-21 12:24   ` John R. Strohm
2003-06-22  3:52     ` Wesley Groleau
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