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From: "Warren W. Gay VE3WWG" <ve3wwg@cogeco.ca>
Subject: Re: Ideas for Ada 200X (Ada.Sockets)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 12:53:55 -0400
Date: 2003-05-29T12:53:55-04:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3ED63B23.5040308@cogeco.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: mWpBa.16582$8g5.278184@news2.e.nsc.no

Tarjei T. Jensen wrote:
> Robert A Duff  wrote:
...
> One could also add a layer to the socket library in order to simplify socket
> programming for ordinary mortals. e.g. add a tcp client and server library.
> This is not supposed to be something fancy; just something that hides the
> ugly stuff and works reasonably well and with no surprises.
> 
> How simple should such a library be? Just four procedures: open_tcp_client,
> open_tcp_server, read_tcp, write_tcp. That's it. The latter should ideally
> be just aliases for more general read and write procedures/functions.

In fairness, there is more to sockets than just that. Consider:

- What about UNIX sockets?
- On UNIX sockets:
    - what about sending/receiving user credentials?
    - what about sending/receiving open file descriptors?
    - what about other out-of-band data?
- What are the name services APIs provided?
- How are name services choices and errors handled?
- Do you support Ada streams on the socket(s)?
- Are Ada streams buffered for better performance (note earlier threads
   about the abysmal performance of some T'Write() operations).
- Does Ada streams I/O convert to endian neutral network formats
   (a la XDR routines for RPC?)
- What about UDP and lower level IP services?
- What about raw socket services?
- What about authentication?  SSL? Kerberos?  <This is a biggy>

I am not saying it shouldn't be done, but I think you've overly
trivialized it. 8-)

I think most people would settle for a good TCP
level API for applications. But this would need to include naming
services at a minimum, and ideally Ada streams with
endian neutral I/O to be truly useful.

It would also be useful for Ada0X to include some extensions to the
distributed annex to consider standard ways to authenticate. This is
perhaps one of the biggest thorn patches for distributed computing in
hostile environments. I would love to see SSL (perhaps) as a builtin
selectable option for the channel filter for example.

-- 
Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
http://home.cogeco.ca/~ve3wwg




  reply	other threads:[~2003-05-29 16:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 452+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-05-27  7:44 Ideas for Ada 200X Tony Gair
2003-05-27 13:56 ` Preben Randhol
2003-05-27 15:09   ` chris.danx
2003-05-28 12:19     ` Marin David Condic
2003-05-28 14:31       ` Mark Lorenzen
2003-05-28 13:35         ` Mirko Aigner
2003-05-28 14:37       ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2003-05-28 17:01         ` Ideas for Ada 200X (Ada.Sockets) Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-05-28 17:43           ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-05-28 18:09             ` Jano
2003-05-28 19:24               ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-05-28 19:02             ` chris.danx
2003-05-28 21:20               ` Robert A Duff
2003-05-29 15:45                 ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2003-05-29 16:53                   ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG [this message]
2003-05-30  9:42                     ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2003-05-30 17:17                       ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-05-30 18:52                         ` Wesley Groleau
2003-05-30 20:52                           ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-05-31  6:12                             ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2003-05-30 21:32                         ` Simon Wright
2003-06-02 21:01                           ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-06-04 21:30                             ` Simon Wright
2003-05-31  6:05                         ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2003-06-01 20:54                           ` Ideas for Ada 200X (Ada.Sockets, enlightened) Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-06-02  7:45                             ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2003-06-02 17:02                               ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-05-29 17:08                   ` Ideas for Ada 200X (Ada.Sockets) tmoran
2003-05-30  9:47                     ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2003-05-30  0:23                   ` Ideas for Ada 200X (CONSOLE_IO) Richard Riehle
2003-05-30  9:46                     ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2003-05-30  7:39                   ` Ideas for Ada 200X (Ada.Sockets) Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-06-02  8:32                 ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2003-06-02 14:00                   ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-06-03  8:11                     ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2003-05-28 19:56             ` Martin Dowie
2003-05-28 21:04             ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-05-28 23:05               ` Robert A Duff
2003-05-29 15:47               ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2003-05-29 16:42                 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-05-30  9:57                   ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2003-05-30 17:25                     ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-05-29 15:16             ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2003-05-28 17:53         ` Ideas for Ada 200X Marin David Condic
2003-05-29 15:52           ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2003-05-30 12:17             ` Marin David Condic
2003-05-30 17:34               ` Ideas for Ada 200X (GNAT.IO_Aux.Get_Line) Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-05-31 18:43                 ` Richard Riehle
2003-06-01 19:38                   ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-06-03  0:20                     ` Randy Brukardt
2003-05-28 15:57       ` Ideas for Ada 200X Robert C. Leif
2003-05-28 19:06         ` chris.danx
2003-05-30  0:39       ` Richard Riehle
2003-05-30  6:49         ` Preben Randhol
2003-05-30 15:15           ` Richard Riehle
2003-05-30 12:30         ` Marin David Condic
2003-05-30 13:29           ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2003-05-30 15:24             ` Richard Riehle
2003-05-30 16:02               ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2003-05-30 21:15                 ` Simon Wright
2003-05-30 17:26               ` Wesley Groleau
2003-05-30 19:17                 ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-05-30 20:40                   ` Wesley Groleau
2003-05-31  3:37                 ` Marin David Condic
2003-05-30 21:10           ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-05-31  3:51             ` Marin David Condic
2003-05-31 12:15               ` Dale Stanbrough
2003-05-31 12:49                 ` Marin David Condic
2003-05-31 13:27               ` Simon Wright
2003-05-31 22:09                 ` Marin David Condic
2003-06-01  3:09                   ` Robert C. Leif
2003-06-01  9:19                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-06-01 20:39                       ` Robert C. Leif
2003-06-02  5:13                   ` Wesley Groleau
2003-06-02 12:15                     ` Marin David Condic
2003-06-02 18:46                       ` Wesley Groleau
2003-06-02 17:31               ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-09-12 12:20               ` How to get a »Conventional Ada Library« (Was: Ideas for Ada 200X) Jacob Sparre Andersen
2003-09-12 12:52                 ` Marin David Condic
2003-09-12 13:07                 ` How to get a �Conventional Ada Library� " Martin Dowie
2003-09-13 12:41                   ` How to get a »Conventional Ada Library« " Marin David Condic
2003-09-12 17:43                 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-13  8:37                   ` Mário Amado Alves
2003-09-13 13:08                   ` Marin David Condic
2003-09-13 20:48                     ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-14 20:05                       ` Marin David Condic
2003-09-18 16:22                     ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-09-19 12:22                       ` Marin David Condic
2003-09-19 16:25                         ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-09-20  2:57                           ` Marin David Condic
2003-09-26  0:13                       ` Matthew Heaney
2003-09-26 13:11                         ` Marin David Condic
2003-09-27  1:06                           ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-27 14:59                             ` Marin David Condic
2003-09-27 23:31                               ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-28 14:55                                 ` Marin David Condic
2003-09-28 17:56                                   ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-29 22:14                                     ` Marin David Condic
2003-06-02  4:51             ` Ideas for Ada 200X Robert C. Leif
2003-05-30 19:43       ` chris.danx
2003-05-28  3:38 ` Frank
2003-05-27 18:53   ` Wesley Groleau
2003-05-28 17:02     ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-05-27 20:38   ` Gautier Write-only
2003-05-28 10:12     ` domin
2003-05-28 10:17       ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-05-28 10:51       ` Preben Randhol
2003-05-29  3:02       ` Wesley Groleau
2003-05-29 18:51         ` Robert A Duff
2003-05-30  6:46           ` Preben Randhol
2003-05-31 18:59           ` Richard Riehle
2003-06-02  8:54             ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-06-03  5:59               ` Richard Riehle
2003-05-28 10:17     ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-05-28 10:30       ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-05-28 10:51         ` Ian Wild
2003-05-28 11:19           ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-05-28 21:34             ` Robert A Duff
2003-05-29 20:56               ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-06-02 11:00               ` Ian Wild
2003-05-28 17:35     ` Alfred Hilscher
2003-05-31 18:46     ` Richard Riehle
2003-05-27 20:43   ` Martin Dowie
2003-05-28  0:25   ` Robert C. Leif
2003-05-28 10:54     ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-05-28 16:03       ` Robert C. Leif
2003-05-28  1:38   ` Jeffrey Carter
2003-05-28  8:04     ` Stuart Palin
2003-05-28  8:06       ` Stuart Palin
2003-05-28  9:44         ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-05-28 13:27           ` Stephen Leake
2003-05-28 15:38             ` Stuart Palin
2003-05-28 17:38         ` Alfred Hilscher
2003-05-28 17:08           ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-05-28 17:38             ` Robert A Duff
2003-05-28 18:30               ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2003-05-28 18:54                 ` Robert A Duff
2003-05-28 20:01                   ` Martin Dowie
2003-05-29  0:14               ` Hyman Rosen
2003-05-29  2:53               ` Wesley Groleau
2003-05-29 18:49                 ` Robert A Duff
2003-05-30  2:38                   ` Mark A. Biggar
2003-05-30 12:55                     ` Robert A Duff
2003-05-30 13:27                       ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2003-05-29  9:17               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-05-30 10:19                 ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2003-05-30 10:36                   ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-05-30 10:43                     ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2003-05-30 13:04                       ` Robert A Duff
2003-05-31 10:17                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-05-28 18:50             ` Pascal Obry
2003-05-29 12:40             ` Alfred Hilscher
2003-05-29 20:59               ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-05-30  6:40             ` Preben Randhol
2003-05-29  2:59           ` Steve
2003-05-29 21:01             ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-05-30  7:26             ` Russ
2003-05-30 16:23               ` Stephen Leake
2003-05-30 17:13                 ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-06-02  9:30                   ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2003-06-02 11:28                     ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-06-02 13:45                     ` Bill Findlay
2003-06-02 13:57                       ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-06-02 14:25                         ` Bill Findlay
2003-06-02 14:55                           ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-06-02 15:46                       ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2003-05-31  0:49                 ` Russ
2003-05-31  6:45                   ` Pascal Obry
2003-05-31 10:25                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-05-31 11:42                       ` Pascal Obry
2003-05-31 13:42                         ` Bill Findlay
2003-05-31 13:59                           ` Bill Findlay
2003-05-31 15:31                           ` John R. Strohm
2003-05-31 16:04                             ` Bill Findlay
2003-05-31 19:18                               ` John R. Strohm
2003-05-31 22:50                                 ` Bill Findlay
2003-06-01  0:15                                   ` John R. Strohm
2003-06-01  1:13                                     ` Bill Findlay
2003-06-02  5:20                             ` [off-topic] format request Wesley Groleau
2003-06-02  6:56                               ` John R. Strohm
2003-06-02 18:51                                 ` Wesley Groleau
2003-06-03  0:42                                   ` John R. Strohm
2003-06-02  6:59                               ` John R. Strohm
2003-05-31 17:18                           ` Ideas for Ada 200X Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-05-31 18:23                             ` Bill Findlay
2003-05-31 22:09                               ` Bill Findlay
2003-05-31 20:08                           ` Robert A Duff
2003-05-31 21:38                             ` John R. Strohm
2003-05-31 23:14                               ` Preben Randhol
2003-05-31 23:51                               ` Robert A Duff
2003-05-31 19:05                     ` Richard Riehle
2003-05-31 23:13                       ` Preben Randhol
2003-06-02  9:36                         ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2003-06-02 11:06                           ` Preben Randhol
2003-05-31  9:27                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-05-31 13:42                   ` Preben Randhol
2003-06-02 16:29                   ` Stephen Leake
2003-06-02 17:58                     ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-06-02 19:11                       ` Stephen Leake
2003-06-02 21:58                         ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-06-03 15:40                           ` Word origins Stephen Leake
2003-06-03 15:51                             ` Preben Randhol
2003-06-04  7:38                               ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-06-04  7:38                             ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-06-16 21:38                           ` Ideas for Ada 200X Vinzent Hoefler
2003-06-03  2:59                     ` Steve
2003-05-30 17:18               ` Wesley Groleau
2003-05-30 17:41                 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-05-30 18:47                   ` Wesley Groleau
2003-05-31 18:49                 ` Russ
2003-06-02  5:27                   ` Wesley Groleau
2003-06-03  5:27                     ` Russ
2003-06-03  7:36                       ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2003-06-03 19:01                         ` Russ
2003-06-03 21:03                           ` tmoran
2003-06-04  2:25                             ` Russ
2003-06-04  1:18                           ` tmoran
2003-06-04 10:10                             ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2003-06-04 13:33                               ` Bill Findlay
2003-06-04 14:21                                 ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2003-06-04 20:04                                   ` Bill Findlay
2003-06-05  7:55                                     ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2003-06-04 13:43                               ` Bill Findlay
2003-06-04 14:50                                 ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2003-06-04 18:10                               ` tmoran
2003-06-05  7:41                                 ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2003-06-04 10:16                             ` Preben Randhol
2003-06-04  8:37                           ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2003-06-03  8:09                       ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2003-06-03 17:58                         ` Russ
2003-06-05  2:18                           ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-06-05  8:32                             ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2003-06-03 11:30                       ` Preben Randhol
2003-06-03 11:32                         ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2003-06-03 11:46                           ` Marin David Condic
2003-06-03 12:13                             ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2003-06-03 12:32                               ` Preben Randhol
2003-06-03 12:37                                 ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2003-06-03 12:50                                   ` Preben Randhol
2003-06-03 13:20                                     ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2003-06-03 14:13                                       ` Preben Randhol
2003-06-03 14:22                                       ` Preben Randhol
2003-06-03 14:25                                       ` Adrian Knoth
2003-06-03 14:22                                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-06-03 14:37                                     ` Bill Findlay
2003-06-03 16:33                                       ` Robert A Duff
2003-06-03 16:43                                         ` Bill Findlay
2003-06-03 12:06                           ` Preben Randhol
2003-06-03 12:23                             ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2003-06-03 13:36                               ` Bill Findlay
2003-06-03 16:44                                 ` Robert A Duff
2003-06-03 17:01                                   ` Hyman Rosen
2003-06-03 18:47                                   ` Bill Findlay
2003-06-03 19:18                                     ` Robert A Duff
2003-06-03 19:39                                 ` Russ
2003-06-03 20:49                                   ` Bill Findlay
2003-06-03 13:15                             ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2003-06-03 12:37                       ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-06-03 15:26                       ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-06-03 22:20                         ` Russ
2003-06-03 22:44                           ` Bill Findlay
2003-06-04  2:37                             ` Russ
2003-06-04  9:16                               ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2003-06-04 10:21                               ` Preben Randhol
2003-06-04 12:51                               ` Robert A Duff
2003-06-05  6:06                                 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-06-04 16:59                               ` Stephen Leake
2003-06-04 22:38                                 ` Russ
2003-06-05 17:56                                   ` Stephen Leake
2003-06-06 17:15                                     ` Russ
2003-06-06 20:20                                       ` Robert A Duff
2003-06-07  6:24                                         ` Russ
2003-06-09 18:15                                           ` Stephen Leake
2003-06-10  6:33                                             ` Russ
2003-06-10  6:51                                               ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-06-10 10:18                                               ` Preben Randhol
2003-06-11  0:40                                                 ` Russ
2003-06-11  6:00                                                   ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-06-11  7:29                                                   ` Preben Randhol
2003-06-11 12:53                                                   ` Frank J. Lhota
2003-06-12  0:42                                                   ` Richard Riehle
2003-06-12 19:16                                                     ` Russ
2003-06-12 23:10                                                       ` Richard Riehle
2003-06-13  5:41                                                         ` Russ
2003-06-13  6:39                                                           ` tmoran
2003-06-13 12:19                                                             ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-06-13 13:40                                                             ` Hyman Rosen
2003-06-13  7:24                                                           ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-06-13 17:41                                                             ` Russ
2003-06-14 10:53                                                               ` Preben Randhol
2003-06-14 15:02                                                                 ` James Rogers
2003-06-14 15:39                                                                   ` Preben Randhol
2003-06-14 18:45                                                                 ` Russ
2003-06-16 11:23                                                               ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-06-13 11:22                                                           ` Preben Randhol
2003-06-13 17:55                                                             ` Russ
2003-06-13 16:22                                                           ` Richard Riehle
2003-06-13  7:24                                                       ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-06-14  2:12                                                         ` Steve
2003-06-15 17:05                                                           ` Richard Riehle
2003-06-15 18:05                                                             ` Sergey Koshcheyev
2003-06-16  5:45                                                               ` Richard Riehle
2003-06-16  5:10                                                             ` Steve
2003-06-16 13:49                                                               ` Bill Findlay
2003-06-16 14:07                                                                 ` Larry Hazel
2003-06-16 17:43                                                                   ` Russ
2003-06-16 16:19                                                                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-06-16 16:56                                                                   ` Bill Findlay
2003-06-16 17:09                                                                     ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-06-16 17:44                                                                       ` Bill Findlay
2003-06-16 19:14                                                                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-06-16 20:24                                                                           ` Bill Findlay
2003-06-16  6:25                                                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-06-16 17:16                                                             ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2003-06-16 17:46                                                               ` Bill Findlay
2003-06-16 18:19                                                                 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-06-16 18:40                                                                   ` Bill Findlay
2003-06-16 19:09                                                                     ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-06-16 19:29                                                                       ` Ideas for Ada 200X "left hand side" repeater Wesley Groleau
2003-06-16 20:31                                                                         ` Bill Findlay
2003-06-16 23:27                                                                           ` Wesley Groleau
2003-06-17  0:30                                                                         ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-06-17  8:18                                                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-06-17 10:37                                                                             ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-06-17 10:59                                                                           ` Bill Findlay
2003-06-17 13:16                                                                             ` Bill Findlay
2003-06-17 13:38                                                                               ` Preben Randhol
2003-06-17 13:43                                                                                 ` Bill Findlay
2003-06-17 13:56                                                                                   ` Preben Randhol
2003-06-17 16:59                                                                                     ` Wesley Groleau
2003-06-17 17:29                                                                                       ` Bill Findlay
2003-06-18  7:52                                                                                         ` Preben Randhol
2003-06-18 14:39                                                                                           ` Bill Findlay
2003-06-18  7:48                                                                                       ` Preben Randhol
2003-06-19  3:20                                                                                         ` Wesley Groleau
2003-06-19 12:22                                                                                           ` Preben Randhol
2003-06-19 16:23                                                                                             ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-06-20  7:29                                                                                               ` Preben Randhol
2003-06-20  8:00                                                                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-06-17 21:03                                                                               ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-06-18 22:13                                                                                 ` John R. Strohm
2003-06-18 23:50                                                                                   ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-06-17 15:23                                                                             ` Francisco Javier Loma Daza
2003-06-16 20:14                                                                       ` Ideas for Ada 200X Bill Findlay
2003-06-16 20:33                                                                         ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-06-16 20:52                                                                     ` Preben Randhol
2003-06-16 21:08                                                                       ` Bill Findlay
2003-06-16 21:13                                                                         ` Preben Randhol
2003-06-16 21:35                                                                           ` Bill Findlay
2003-06-17  8:08                                                                             ` Preben Randhol
2003-06-16 21:24                                                                         ` Pascal Obry
2003-06-16 21:30                                                                           ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-06-16 21:41                                                                             ` Bill Findlay
2003-06-16 21:52                                                                               ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-06-17 13:13                                                                                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-06-18  7:18                                                                                   ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-06-16 21:32                                                                           ` Bill Findlay
2003-06-17  5:56                                                                     ` Russ
2003-06-17  8:18                                                                       ` Preben Randhol
2003-06-17 19:48                                                                         ` Russ
2003-06-18  7:58                                                                           ` Preben Randhol
2003-06-17 22:20                                                                         ` Russ
2003-06-17 22:36                                                                           ` Bill Findlay
2003-06-19  1:39                                                                             ` Russ
2003-06-18  8:06                                                                           ` Preben Randhol
2003-06-18  8:10                                                                             ` Preben Randhol
2003-06-18 18:50                                                                           ` Brian Gaffney
2003-06-18 21:38                                                                             ` Russ
2003-06-19  7:42                                                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-06-19 17:33                                                                                 ` Russ
2003-06-20  7:53                                                                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-06-19 20:22                                                                               ` Brian Gaffney
2003-06-18 15:00                                                                     ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-06-19  0:31                                                                       ` Amir Yantimirov
2003-06-19 12:24                                                                         ` Preben Randhol
2003-06-20  2:08                                                                           ` Amir Yantimirov
2003-06-20  7:36                                                                             ` Preben Randhol
2003-06-21 12:20                                                                               ` John R. Strohm
2003-06-19 18:37                                                                       ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-06-24 10:08                                                                         ` AG
2003-06-24 10:11                                                                           ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2003-06-25 20:06                                                                             ` Bill Findlay
2003-06-26  3:02                                                                               ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-06-17  5:10                                                             ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-06-16 11:23                                                           ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-06-16 15:36                                                             ` Wesley Groleau
2003-06-16 15:41                                                               ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-06-17  5:24                                                             ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-06-13 11:31                                                       ` Preben Randhol
2003-06-13 18:22                                                         ` Russ
2003-06-14 10:59                                                           ` Preben Randhol
2003-06-13 11:33                                                       ` Preben Randhol
2003-06-14  9:07                                                         ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-06-11  3:45                                               ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-06-10  9:12                                           ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2003-06-05 19:14                                   ` Wesley Groleau
2003-06-06 18:10                                     ` Russ
2003-06-06 19:10                                       ` Stephen Leake
2003-06-07  1:16                                       ` Wesley Groleau
2003-06-07  5:50                                         ` Russ
2003-06-07  6:32                                           ` tmoran
2003-06-07 18:39                                             ` Russ
2003-06-07 20:00                                               ` Wesley Groleau
2003-06-07 23:04                                                 ` tmoran
2003-06-08  0:48                                                   ` tmoran
2003-06-08  3:49                                                   ` Wesley Groleau
2003-06-08  3:32                                             ` Hyman Rosen
2003-06-09  7:08                                               ` Russ
2003-06-09  7:36                                                 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-06-09 15:51                                                 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-06-09 16:35                                                   ` tmoran
2003-06-09 16:56                                                     ` Hyman Rosen
2003-06-09 18:29                                                       ` tmoran
2003-06-09 19:49                                                         ` Hyman Rosen
2003-06-10 20:33                                                         ` Hyman Rosen
2003-06-10 21:17                                                           ` Ole Kristensen
2003-06-10 23:26                                                             ` tmoran
2003-06-11  4:07                                                               ` Hyman Rosen
2003-06-11  4:23                                                                 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-06-11 10:15                                                               ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2003-06-11 10:22                                                               ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2003-06-11  4:17                                                           ` Hyman Rosen
2003-06-04  9:11                           ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2003-06-04 16:54                           ` Stephen Leake
2003-06-05  4:40                           ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-06-05  8:27                             ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2003-06-05 12:49                               ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2003-06-05 18:02                               ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-06-05 14:14                             ` Bill Findlay
2003-06-05 18:06                             ` Stephen Leake
2003-06-06  1:59                               ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-06-09 23:57                                 ` Robert A Duff
2003-06-03 15:32                       ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-05-30 19:56               ` Robert A Duff
2003-05-31  4:30                 ` Russ
2003-06-02  5:17                   ` Wesley Groleau
2003-05-29  7:32           ` Martin Krischik
2003-05-29 22:48             ` Hyman Rosen
2003-05-30  6:13               ` Martin Krischik
2003-05-30  7:38                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-05-30 16:08                   ` Stephen Leake
2003-05-30 17:12                   ` Wesley Groleau
2003-05-30 17:25                     ` Preben Randhol
2003-05-30 18:49                       ` Wesley Groleau
2003-05-31 13:36                         ` Preben Randhol
2003-05-31  9:28                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-05-30  9:09                 ` Preben Randhol
2003-05-30 13:32                 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-05-30 16:16                   ` Stephen Leake
2003-05-30 17:22                     ` Hyman Rosen
2003-05-30  6:20           ` Preben Randhol
2003-05-29  2:01         ` Jeffrey Carter
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