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From: "Robert I. Eachus" <rieachus@attbi.com>
Subject: Re: Quality systems (Was: Using Ada for device drivers? (Was: the Ada mandate, and why it collapsed and died))
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 15:40:54 GMT
Date: 2003-05-16T15:40:54+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3EC50672.2010405@attbi.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: fZQwa.855043$F1.107665@sccrnsc04

Shayne Wissler wrote (I'm quoting it in full because it deserves to be 
reread):

> I think what it indicates is that the development methods used are 
> brittle--which leads to the brittle code. If you see the secondary bug to 
> primary bug ratio consistently rising, the first thing to do is ask 
> questions about who is managing the project, not about the software itself. 
> Even the best software will have bad ratios if the people working on it are 
> sloppy.
> 
> Although it's not easy, I don't think it's rocket science to be able to make 
> consistent progress. If, for every bug you hit, you always investigate why 
> the bug happened, and then modify your approach accordingly, I don't think 
> you can get into the spiral you're referring to. I think it only happens 
> when people stop introspecting, and just blindly pull a bug off the top of 
> the list and proceed with "fixing" it.
> 
> A methodical approach can appear to be less efficient, and I'm sure it's the 
> pressure to deliver that leads to many breaches in integrity to a proper 
> engineering methodology. Of course, in the long run, such breaches always 
> end up costing you more.
> 
> A lot of software does deserve to be completely rewritten. But that should 
> be apparent by how slow you have to go when adding features, not by 
> ever-cascading bugs. On the contrary, if you see bugs spiraling out of 
> control, that's evidence that you don't want that particular team and/or 
> its management to undertake rewriting the system.

Everything you say is true, and good advice.  But you need to know where 
I am coming from.  At MITRE software engineers are often used by the 
government as firemen to go into an out-of-control project and determine 
what can be done to fix things.  Sometimes the advice has to be that the 
project is hopeless and can't be saved.  If the software is too brittle, 
it doesn't matter how it got that way, all that matters is that the only 
way to ever deliver a product is to fund a new project with a new team, 
and bury the original code so that it can't possibly be reused. 
Expensive?  Not really.  It is like a fireman deciding that they can 
save all the buildings around the one that is burning, or try to save 
that building and lose everything.  It is not a decision you take lightly.

Let me give two examples.  The first is one where MITRE was involved, 
called Cheyanne Mountain Upgrade.  At the time it was started, the 
Soviet Union was still a threat, and NORAD being off the air for even 
part of a day was considered unacceptable.  The overall project was a 
success, even though the reasons for that success involved spending 
extra money to put firewalls between each component of the upgrade. 
Some of the components were late and involved lots of nasty problems 
like changes in requirements.  (It doesn't matter if the system can deal 
with the original threat assessment.  If the threat changes, the real 
requirements must change.  Also one of the biggest requirements changes 
was caused by the Goldwater-Nichols reorganization of the DoD command 
structure.)  But because of the firewalling each component was of 
managable size and could be installed without depending on other parts 
of CMU.

The other example is a program where MITRE was not the FFRDC invovled. 
The A-12 attack aircraft program for the Navy did not have this type of 
firewalling.  By the time that budget overruns and schedule delays 
brought the program to the attention of Congress, the whole project was 
unsalvageable.  (And, yes, some of the people who let it get out of 
control were fired. See http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/a-12.htm 
for a write up of the disaster.)

In any case, my reasons for wanting to develop a defect management tool 
was not for the people actually involved in the project.  It was so that 
the government and FFRDC people involved in managing the project for the 
government could detect the problem before it was too late.  The most 
important thing to take away from this discussion is that it is possible 
to get to the point where it really is too late to save the project.






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2003-02-26 22:22                     ` Ada versus language-X and "getting real work done" (was): 64 bit addressing and OOP Kent Paul Dolan
2003-02-26 22:50                       ` Hyman Rosen
2003-02-27  7:09                         ` Kent Paul Dolan
2003-02-27 15:32                           ` Hyman Rosen
2003-02-28  0:05                             ` Kent Paul Dolan
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2003-02-27  3:35                           ` Steve
2003-02-27  7:17                             ` Kent Paul Dolan
2003-02-27  4:38                           ` Hyman Rosen
2003-02-27  6:47                             ` Karel Miklav
2003-04-16 20:33                             ` Tom Welsh
2003-04-23 17:56                               ` Tor Iver Wilhelmsen
2003-02-27 22:06                           ` Dr Chaos
2003-02-27 23:49                             ` JXStern
2003-02-28  0:45                               ` Dr Chaos
2003-02-28  1:08                                 ` JXStern
2003-03-07 16:14                           ` Grant Wagner
2003-04-16 20:36                             ` Tom Welsh
2003-03-07 18:59                           ` John R. Strohm
2003-03-10 15:22                             ` soft-eng
2003-03-10 18:13                               ` John R. Strohm
2003-02-27 12:35                       ` Marin David Condic
2003-02-27 23:57                         ` Kent Paul Dolan
2003-02-28 11:52                           ` Marin David Condic
2003-02-28  0:13                         ` Karen
2003-02-27 14:30                       ` Colin Paul Gloster
2003-02-27 15:26                       ` soft-eng
2003-02-27 20:27                         ` Mark Thornton
2003-02-27 23:52                         ` Kent Paul Dolan
2003-02-28 14:15                           ` soft-eng
2003-03-01 22:08                             ` AG
     [not found]                               ` <gf906vsc9rt677tusubo3btsjmn1ev1sgm@4ax.com>
2003-03-02 20:55                                 ` AG
2003-03-02 23:38                               ` soft-eng
2003-03-03 12:33                                 ` Lloyd Bonafide
2003-03-03 13:58                             ` soft-eng
2003-02-27 20:18                       ` Mark Thornton
2003-02-27 18:13                         ` CJT
2003-02-26 22:48                     ` the Ada mandate, and why it collapsed and died " Kent Paul Dolan
2003-02-27  0:38                       ` Robert C. Leif
2003-02-27 12:28                         ` Preben Randhol
2003-02-28  3:51                           ` the Ada mandate, and why it collapsed and died Richard Riehle
2003-02-28 12:24                             ` Marin David Condic
2003-02-28 12:48                               ` Marin David Condic
2003-03-01  1:42                                 ` Robert C. Leif
2003-03-01  2:56                                 ` Richard Riehle
2003-03-01 13:13                                   ` Marin David Condic
2003-03-02  0:39                                     ` Robert C. Leif
2003-03-02 16:27                                     ` John R. Strohm
2003-03-02 20:03                                       ` Robert A Duff
2003-03-03  1:21                                         ` Hide or reveal ? (Re: the Ada mandate, and why it collapsed and died) Faust
2003-03-03  8:05                                           ` Preben Randhol
2003-03-03  9:04                                             ` Faust
2003-03-03 18:04                                       ` the Ada mandate, and why it collapsed and died Marin David Condic
2003-04-16 20:48                       ` the Ada mandate, and why it collapsed and died (was): 64 bit addressing and OOP Tom Welsh
2003-04-17  6:16                         ` Kent Paul Dolan
2003-04-17 11:15                           ` Tom Welsh
2003-04-18 18:55                           ` Richard Riehle
2003-04-22 19:26                             ` soft-eng
2003-04-22 22:40                               ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-04-22 23:23                                 ` Wesley Groleau
2003-04-22 23:30                                 ` Robert A Duff
2003-04-23  1:05                                   ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-04-27 16:11                                     ` Robert A Duff
2003-04-28  9:31                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-04-28 23:17                                         ` Robert A Duff
2003-04-29  7:53                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-04-28 18:16                                       ` Randy Brukardt
2003-04-23  1:41                                   ` Dr Chaos
2003-04-27 16:21                                     ` Robert A Duff
2003-04-23  5:14                                   ` Wesley Groleau
2003-04-27 16:22                                     ` Robert A Duff
2003-04-27 21:34                                       ` Wesley Groleau
2003-04-28  9:33                                       ` AG
2003-04-23 23:06                                   ` Kent Paul Dolan
2003-04-24  0:43                                     ` Dr Chaos
2003-04-27 16:29                                     ` Robert A Duff
2003-04-23 12:39                                 ` soft-eng
2003-04-23 13:50                                   ` Stephen Leake
2003-04-23 16:55                                     ` soft-eng
2003-04-23 17:10                                   ` P S Norby
2003-04-23 17:57                                   ` Bill Findlay
2003-04-23 18:38                                   ` Dr Chaos
2003-04-24 13:03                                     ` soft-eng
2003-04-24 14:12                                       ` Wesley Groleau
2003-04-24 20:27                                         ` Kent Paul Dolan
2003-04-24 17:53                                       ` Mike Silva
2003-04-25 12:48                                         ` soft-eng
2003-04-26  5:16                                           ` Mike Silva
2003-04-26 14:49                                             ` soft-eng
2003-04-26 21:34                                               ` AG
2003-04-26 23:06                                                 ` Wesley Groleau
2003-05-01  9:33                                                   ` Tom Welsh
2003-04-27  2:03                                                 ` Mike Silva
2003-04-27  5:36                                                   ` AG
2003-04-27 20:35                                                     ` Eric G. Miller
2003-04-27 21:40                                                     ` Wesley Groleau
2003-04-28 21:42                                                       ` The Ghost In The Machine
2003-04-29  3:44                                                         ` Wesley Groleau
2003-04-28 17:42                                                     ` Mike Silva
2003-04-27  2:00                                               ` Frank J. Lhota
2003-04-27  2:27                                                 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-04-27  6:24                                               ` Kent Paul Dolan
2003-04-28 12:51                                                 ` soft-eng
2003-04-28 20:25                                                   ` Kent Paul Dolan
2003-04-30 14:48                                                     ` soft-eng
2003-04-30 19:30                                                       ` Rod Davison
2003-04-24 22:09                                       ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-04-25 17:37                                         ` soft-eng
2003-04-25 18:48                                           ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-04-26  2:27                                             ` AG
2003-04-26 14:54                                             ` soft-eng
2003-04-26  1:15                                           ` the Ada mandate, and why it collapsed and died (was): 64 bit addressing a Dave Harris
2003-04-27 20:12                                             ` Hyman Rosen
2003-04-24 23:25                                       ` the Ada mandate, and why it collapsed and died (was): 64 bit addressing and OOP Richard Riehle
2003-04-25 17:28                                         ` soft-eng
2003-04-25  1:51                                       ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-04-26 15:17                                         ` soft-eng
2003-04-25  6:44                                       ` Tom Welsh
2003-04-25  6:58                                         ` AG
2003-04-25 12:43                                           ` soft-eng
2003-04-25 18:04                                             ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-04-26  3:38                                               ` Wesley Groleau
2003-04-26  3:52                                                 ` AG
2003-04-26 12:00                                                 ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-04-25 12:37                                         ` soft-eng
2003-04-25 18:23                                           ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-04-26  1:32                                           ` Richard Riehle
2003-04-26 14:59                                             ` soft-eng
2003-04-30  2:26                                               ` Richard Riehle
2003-04-30 12:12                                                 ` soft-eng
2003-04-30 14:21                                                   ` John R. Strohm
2003-05-01 14:45                                                     ` soft-eng
2003-05-02  1:12                                                       ` Richard Riehle
2003-05-02 13:20                                                         ` soft-eng
2003-05-02 14:45                                                           ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-05-02 14:58                                                           ` Martin Dowie
2003-05-02 17:10                                                           ` Richard Riehle
2003-05-02 15:20                                                         ` Kevin Cline
2003-05-02 15:42                                                           ` Graham Perkins
2003-05-03  4:24                                                             ` Wesley Groleau
2003-05-04 18:20                                                               ` Hyman Rosen
2003-05-06 11:57                                                               ` The Ghost In The Machine
2003-05-07  1:28                                                                 ` Wesley Groleau
2003-05-08 12:41                                                                   ` The Ghost In The Machine
2003-05-08 15:21                                                                     ` Frank J. Lhota
2003-05-10 23:23                                                                       ` The Ghost In The Machine
2003-05-08 21:57                                                             ` Kevin Cline
2003-05-09  6:32                                                               ` apm
2003-04-28  9:05                                             ` Peter Hermann
2003-04-23 13:08                                 ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-04-23  5:57                               ` Richard Riehle
2003-04-23 10:51                                 ` Volkert
2003-04-23 12:24                                 ` soft-eng
2003-04-23 16:31                                   ` Marc A. Criley
2003-04-23 17:18                                   ` tmoran
2003-04-24 12:46                                     ` soft-eng
2003-04-24 13:04                                       ` Using Ada for device drivers? (Was: the Ada mandate, and why it collapsed and died) Jacob Sparre Andersen
2003-04-24 17:50                                         ` soft-eng
2003-04-24 18:37                                           ` tmoran
2003-04-24 19:11                                           ` Robert Spooner
2003-04-25 13:01                                             ` soft-eng
2003-04-25 14:02                                               ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-04-24 20:10                                           ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-04-25 17:22                                             ` soft-eng
2003-04-25 18:24                                               ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-04-24 23:23                                           ` Using Ada for device drivers? Vinzent Hoefler
2003-04-24 23:30                                           ` Using Ada for device drivers? (Was: the Ada mandate, and why it collapsed and died) Kaz Kylheku
2003-04-25 14:11                                             ` Using Ada for device drivers? Georg Bauhaus
2003-04-26 23:23                                               ` Kent Paul Dolan
2003-04-27  1:53                                             ` Using Ada for device drivers? (Was: the Ada mandate, and why it collapsed and died) Frank J. Lhota
2003-04-25  7:46                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-04-30  3:09                                           ` Will
2003-04-30  6:13                                             ` John R. Strohm
2003-04-30 12:31                                               ` Will
2003-04-30 17:17                                                 ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-05-01  3:37                                                   ` Will
2003-05-01  3:56                                                     ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-05-01 12:21                                                     ` Marin David Condic
2003-05-01 15:16                                                       ` Wesley Groleau
2003-05-02  4:15                                                       ` Will
2003-05-02 13:57                                                         ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-05-02 16:15                                                           ` Mark
2003-05-03  3:13                                                           ` Will
2003-05-03  4:24                                                             ` Chad R. Meiners
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2003-05-01 15:53                                                   ` Robert A Duff
2003-05-02  1:17                                                 ` Richard Riehle
2003-04-30 16:35                                               ` Kaz Kylheku
2003-04-30 17:22                                                 ` Frank J. Lhota
2003-05-01 19:03                                                   ` Kaz Kylheku
2003-05-02  8:26                                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-05-02 18:43                                                     ` Using Ada for device drivers? Georg Bauhaus
2003-04-30 20:15                                                 ` Using Ada for device drivers? (Was: the Ada mandate, and why it collapsed and died) John R. Strohm
2003-05-01 14:21                                                   ` soft-eng
2003-05-01 15:22                                                     ` Wesley Groleau
2003-05-01 15:56                                                       ` Hyman Rosen
2003-05-02  3:15                                                         ` James S. Rogers
2003-05-02  3:24                                                         ` Wesley Groleau
2003-05-11 18:52                                                           ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-05-11 20:11                                                             ` Hyman Rosen
2003-05-11 21:09                                                               ` John R. Strohm
2003-05-11 23:43                                                                 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-05-11 23:54                                                                   ` Bill Findlay
2003-05-12 17:23                                                                   ` Mike Silva
2003-05-12 18:20                                                                     ` Stephen Leake
2003-05-13 11:42                                                                     ` Marin David Condic
2003-05-15 18:18                                                                       ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-05-12 18:28                                                                   ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-05-11 21:57                                                               ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-05-12  0:06                                                                 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-05-12  1:04                                                                   ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-05-12  3:53                                                                   ` Wesley Groleau
2003-05-11 23:33                                                               ` Wesley Groleau
2003-05-11 23:51                                                                 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-05-12  8:40                                                                   ` Preben Randhol
     [not found]                                                                 ` <bqj3p-t23.ln1@beastie.ix.netcom.com>
2003-05-12  5:04                                                                   ` Wesley Groleau
2003-05-12 14:03                                                                     ` OT: Card Shuffling Frank J. Lhota
2003-05-11 23:50                                                               ` Using Ada for device drivers? (Was: the Ada mandate, and why it collapsed and died) Bill Findlay
2003-05-12  8:18                                                               ` Preben Randhol
2003-05-11 21:07                                                             ` John R. Strohm
2003-05-12  0:49                                                               ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-05-12 18:23                                                                 ` Stephen Leake
2003-05-14  5:00                                                                   ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-05-13  2:19                                                                 ` John R. Strohm
2003-05-13  3:21                                                             ` Dr Chaos
2003-05-01 18:35                                                     ` Marc A. Criley
2003-05-01 20:49                                                       ` Robert A Duff
2003-05-02  1:27                                                       ` soft-eng
2003-05-02  3:05                                                         ` John R. Strohm
2003-05-02 13:07                                                           ` soft-eng
2003-05-02 13:14                                                             ` Martin Dowie
2003-05-02 14:23                                                             ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-05-02 17:27                                                             ` Richard Riehle
2003-05-02 21:20                                                             ` Tom Welsh
2003-05-04 13:09                                                               ` Bill Findlay
2003-05-03  4:09                                                             ` Dr Chaos
2003-05-02  3:30                                                         ` James S. Rogers
2003-05-02 13:16                                                           ` soft-eng
2003-05-02 14:28                                                             ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-05-02 17:35                                                             ` Richard Riehle
2003-05-02 21:23                                                             ` Tom Welsh
2003-05-02 22:18                                                             ` Jim Rogers
2003-05-03  4:07                                                               ` Dr Chaos
2003-05-06 13:21                                                               ` soft-eng
2003-05-06 19:03                                                                 ` Jim Rogers
2003-05-07 13:04                                                                   ` soft-eng
2003-05-07 14:05                                                                     ` Preben Randhol
2003-05-07 17:29                                                                       ` soft-eng
2003-05-07 19:37                                                                         ` Mark Thornton
2003-05-08 13:48                                                                           ` soft-eng
2003-05-08 15:46                                                                             ` Thant Tessman
2003-05-09  3:37                                                                               ` Wesley Groleau
2003-05-09  7:23                                                                                 ` Marshall Spight
2003-05-09 13:14                                                                                   ` soft-eng
2003-05-09 12:31                                                                                 ` soft-eng
2003-05-10  4:57                                                                                   ` Tim Ottinger
2003-05-11 19:24                                                                                     ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-05-12  9:51                                                                                     ` Leif Roar Moldskred
2003-05-09 15:09                                                                                 ` Thant Tessman
2003-05-07 22:58                                                                         ` Dr Chaos
2003-05-08 14:06                                                                           ` soft-eng
2003-05-08 17:57                                                                             ` Dr Chaos
2003-05-08 18:20                                                                             ` tmoran
2003-05-09 13:22                                                                               ` soft-eng
2003-05-11 20:12                                                                                 ` Richard Riehle
2003-05-11 20:24                                                                                   ` Hyman Rosen
2003-05-13  1:39                                                                                     ` Using Ada for device drivers? (Was: the Ada mandate, and whyit " Richard Riehle
2003-05-08 23:16                                                                             ` Using Ada for device drivers? (Was: the Ada mandate, and why it " John R. Strohm
2003-05-09 12:24                                                                               ` soft-eng
2003-05-09 16:03                                                                                 ` John R. Strohm
2003-05-09 16:28                                                                                   ` John R. Strohm
2003-05-09 23:45                                                                                     ` soft-eng
2003-05-10  2:32                                                                                       ` John R. Strohm
2003-05-10  4:24                                                                                     ` Jim Weirich
2003-05-08 12:29                                                                         ` Marin David Condic
2003-05-08 20:22                                                                           ` soft-eng
2003-05-08 21:33                                                                             ` Robert A Duff
2003-05-08 23:21                                                                             ` John R. Strohm
2003-05-09  8:30                                                                             ` Tom Welsh
2003-05-09 13:18                                                                               ` soft-eng
2003-05-09 15:01                                                                                 ` Tom Welsh
2003-05-09 23:41                                                                               ` Dr Chaos
2003-05-12 13:43                                                                                 ` soft-eng
2003-05-13  3:25                                                                                   ` Dr Chaos
2003-05-13 17:30                                                                                     ` soft-eng
2003-05-13 22:19                                                                                       ` Dr Chaos
2003-05-14 12:53                                                                                         ` soft-eng
2003-05-14 14:55                                                                                           ` Preben Randhol
2003-05-14 22:56                                                                                             ` Thant Tessman
2003-05-13 10:36                                                                                 ` Larry Kilgallen
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2003-05-13 20:53                                                                                   ` Simon Wright
2003-05-08 14:34                                                                         ` Preben Randhol
2003-05-08 17:58                                                                           ` Dr Chaos
2003-05-07 16:33                                                                     ` Wesley Groleau
2003-05-07 18:48                                                                     ` Jim Rogers
2003-05-07 19:09                                                                     ` Gautier
2003-05-07 22:45                                                                     ` Dr Chaos
2003-05-02 12:57                                                         ` Marc A. Criley
2003-05-02 18:55                                                           ` Hyman Rosen
2003-05-09 14:57                                                             ` soft-eng
2003-05-09 15:44                                                               ` Hyman Rosen
2003-05-10 17:17                                                                 ` soft-eng
2003-05-12  8:06                                                                   ` Preben Randhol
2003-05-12 13:48                                                                     ` soft-eng
2003-05-12 14:33                                                                       ` Preben Randhol
2003-05-08  5:14                                                         ` Gautier
2003-05-09 14:12                                                           ` soft-eng
2003-05-09 14:33                                                             ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-05-09 14:38                                                             ` Frank J. Lhota
2003-05-09 16:09                                                             ` John R. Strohm
2003-05-09 23:49                                                               ` soft-eng
2003-05-10  2:44                                                                 ` John R. Strohm
2003-05-11 20:59                                                                   ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-05-11 22:24                                                                     ` Shayne Wissler
2003-05-13  3:15                                                                   ` Dr Chaos
2003-05-13 14:29                                                                     ` Robert Spooner
2003-05-13 14:46                                                                       ` James S. Rogers
2003-05-10 10:49                                                                 ` Dale Stanbrough
2003-05-12  5:36                                                                   ` Quality systems (Was: Using Ada for device drivers? (Was: the Ada mandate, and why it collapsed and died)) Anders Wirzenius
2003-05-13  0:29                                                                     ` Willard Thompson
2003-05-13  2:16                                                                       ` John R. Strohm
2003-05-13 13:53                                                                         ` Kent Paul Dolan
2003-05-13  6:36                                                                       ` Anders Wirzenius
2003-05-13 13:43                                                                         ` soft-eng
2003-05-13 13:49                                                                           ` Preben Randhol
2003-05-13 14:28                                                                             ` Robert Spooner
2003-05-13 17:17                                                                               ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-05-14 14:35                                                                               ` The Ghost In The Machine
2003-05-14 12:27                                                                             ` Marin David Condic
2003-05-14 15:16                                                                               ` Preben Randhol
2003-05-14 16:50                                                                                 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-05-14 18:45                                                                                   ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-05-15 16:32                                                                                     ` Stephen Leake
2003-05-15 17:18                                                                                       ` Quality systems Vinzent Hoefler
2003-05-15 17:48                                                                                     ` Quality systems (Was: Using Ada for device drivers? (Was: the Ada mandate, and why it collapsed and died)) Jim Rogers
2003-05-16 12:53                                                                               ` soft-eng
2003-05-16 13:36                                                                                 ` Steve O'Neill
2003-05-16 13:44                                                                                 ` Preben Randhol
2003-05-17  8:34                                                                                 ` Martin Dowie
2003-05-17 16:30                                                                                   ` Wesley Groleau
2003-05-17  9:10                                                                                 ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-05-17 14:45                                                                                 ` Marin David Condic
2003-05-14  7:36                                                                           ` Anders Wirzenius
2003-05-14 14:30                                                                             ` Robert Spooner
2003-05-14 17:10                                                                             ` Wesley Groleau
2003-05-15 14:00                                                                             ` soft-eng
2003-05-16  6:12                                                                               ` Anders Wirzenius
2003-05-16 14:25                                                                                 ` soft-eng
2003-05-16 22:20                                                                                   ` Quality systems Georg Bauhaus
2003-05-14 13:49                                                                           ` Quality systems (Was: Using Ada for device drivers? (Was: the Ada mandate, and why it collapsed and died)) Marc A. Criley
2003-05-15  1:47                                                                             ` soft-eng
2003-05-15  6:43                                                                               ` tmoran
2003-05-15 14:29                                                                                 ` achrist
2003-05-15 14:34                                                                                   ` David Lightstone
2003-05-15 15:20                                                                                     ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-05-16  5:17                                                                                     ` Richard Riehle
2003-05-21 20:11                                                                                     ` Brian Gaffney
2003-05-21 21:51                                                                                       ` David Lightstone
2003-05-22  2:37                                                                                       ` achrist
2003-05-22 20:34                                                                                         ` Randy Brukardt
2003-05-28 22:56                                                                                         ` David Lightstone
2003-05-22 20:29                                                                                       ` Randy Brukardt
2003-05-23  6:15                                                                                         ` Richard Riehle
2003-05-23 10:37                                                                                           ` Dale Stanbrough
2003-05-15 14:38                                                                                   ` Quality systems (Was: Using Ada for device drivers? (Was: theAda " David C. Hoos
2003-05-15 15:20                                                                                     ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-05-15 16:34                                                                                     ` tmoran
2003-05-15 15:20                                                                                   ` Quality systems (Was: Using Ada for device drivers? (Was: the Ada " Vinzent Hoefler
2003-05-15 23:00                                                                                     ` achrist
2003-05-16  3:22                                                                                       ` Ada for tiny machines ? Wesley Groleau
2003-05-16  4:40                                                                                       ` Quality systems (Was: Using Ada for device drivers? (Was: the Ada tmoran
2003-05-16 14:31                                                                                         ` achrist
2003-05-17  5:11                                                                                           ` tmoran
2003-05-17 18:33                                                                                             ` achrist
2003-05-18  3:19                                                                                               ` tmoran
2003-05-15 15:04                                                                                 ` Quality systems (Was: Using Ada for device drivers? (Was: the Ada mandate, and why it collapsed and died)) Wesley Groleau
2003-05-16 12:31                                                                                   ` soft-eng
2003-05-16 13:47                                                                                     ` Preben Randhol
2003-05-16 18:20                                                                                     ` Wesley Groleau
2003-05-16 14:04                                                                                 ` soft-eng
2003-05-16 17:42                                                                                   ` Steve O'Neill
2003-05-15  8:13                                                                               ` Preben Randhol
2003-05-15 18:07                                                                                 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-05-15 18:26                                                                                   ` Shayne Wissler
2003-05-16 15:40                                                                                     ` Robert I. Eachus [this message]
2003-05-16 17:24                                                                                     ` soft-eng
2003-05-16 18:54                                                                                       ` Linnea
2003-05-17  0:43                                                                                         ` soft-eng
2003-05-16 19:20                                                                                       ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-05-16 20:57                                                                                         ` Larry Hazel
2003-05-17  0:42                                                                                         ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-05-17  0:47                                                                                         ` soft-eng
2003-05-17  1:55                                                                                         ` soft-eng
2003-05-17 15:28                                                                                     ` Bjorn Reese
2003-05-17 17:28                                                                                       ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-05-15 19:48                                                                                   ` Robert Spooner
2003-05-16  2:47                                                                                     ` John R. Strohm
2003-05-16  4:03                                                                                       ` Dr Chaos
2003-05-15 19:39                                                                                 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-05-16  6:23                                                                                   ` Preben Randhol
2003-05-16  9:56                                                                                     ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2003-05-16 17:30                                                                                       ` Logic Errors and Ada (Was: A big hairy thread on Ada, Quality, and Drivers) Marc A. Criley
2003-05-18 23:02                                                                                         ` soft-eng
2003-05-19  1:37                                                                                           ` James S. Rogers
2003-05-19  3:13                                                                                             ` Wesley Groleau
2003-05-19  5:44                                                                                             ` Anders Wirzenius
2003-05-20  0:55                                                                                               ` James S. Rogers
2003-05-19  2:00                                                                                           ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-05-20 10:28                                                                                             ` Logic Errors and Ada Peter Hermann
2003-05-21  3:05                                                                                               ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-05-19 11:11                                                                                           ` Logic Errors and Ada (Was: A big hairy thread on Ada, Quality, and Drivers) Martin Dowie
2003-05-19 19:42                                                                                             ` Simon Wright
2003-05-19 20:30                                                                                               ` Dr Chaos
2003-05-19 22:10                                                                                                 ` Preben Randhol
2003-05-20 13:36                                                                                                   ` Stephen Leake
2003-05-20  7:34                                                                                               ` Martin Dowie
2003-05-20 13:04                                                                                                 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-05-20 21:19                                                                                                   ` Martin Dowie
2003-05-21  7:19                                                                                                     ` Martin Dowie
2003-05-19 16:30                                                                                           ` Marc A. Criley
2003-05-19 21:57                                                                                           ` Gautier Write-only
2003-05-20 16:21                                                                                             ` soft-eng
2003-05-20 20:45                                                                                               ` Gautier Write-only
2003-05-20 20:52                                                                                               ` Tom Welsh
2003-05-16 17:43                                                                                       ` Quality systems (Was: Using Ada for device drivers? (Was: the Ada mandate, and why it collapsed and died)) Chad R. Meiners
2003-05-16  9:39                                                                               ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2003-05-16 22:32                                                                                 ` AG
2003-05-17  1:48                                                                                   ` soft-eng
2003-05-17  3:20                                                                                     ` AG
2003-05-17  3:47                                                                                     ` James S. Rogers
2003-05-19  1:57                                                                                       ` Hyman Rosen
2003-05-19  6:30                                                                                         ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-05-19  7:42                                                                                           ` Hyman Rosen
2003-05-19  8:21                                                                                             ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-05-19 14:07                                                                                               ` Hyman Rosen
2003-05-19 14:31                                                                                                 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-05-19 15:00                                                                                                   ` Hyman Rosen
2003-05-19 15:21                                                                                                     ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-05-20 16:10                                                                                                   ` Robert A Duff
2003-05-20 19:23                                                                                                     ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-05-20 19:54                                                                                                       ` Robert A Duff
2003-05-22 21:15                                                                                                         ` Randy Brukardt
2003-05-23  0:48                                                                                                           ` Hyman Rosen
2003-05-23 18:38                                                                                                             ` Randy Brukardt
2003-05-24 22:42                                                                                                               ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-05-25 10:53                                                                                                                 ` Matthew Woodcraft
2003-05-25 21:12                                                                                                                   ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-05-25 12:33                                                                                                                 ` Marin David Condic
2003-05-25 19:47                                                                                                                   ` Hyman Rosen
2003-05-26 12:32                                                                                                                     ` Marin David Condic
2003-05-26 15:57                                                                                                                       ` Hyman Rosen
2003-05-27 12:02                                                                                                                         ` Marin David Condic
2003-05-27 12:26                                                                                                                           ` Dale Stanbrough
2003-05-28 11:25                                                                                                                             ` Marin David Condic
2003-05-28  6:56                                                                                                                           ` AG
2003-05-28 11:34                                                                                                                             ` Marin David Condic
2003-05-28  8:24                                                                                                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-05-28 11:38                                                                                                                             ` Marin David Condic
2003-05-29  9:17                                                                                                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-05-29 10:55                                                                                                                                 ` Marin David Condic
2003-05-28  9:13                                                                                                                           ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-05-28 11:53                                                                                                                             ` Saturated Math (was: " Marin David Condic
2003-05-28 13:02                                                                                                                               ` Saturated Math Vinzent Hoefler
2003-05-28 18:56                                                                                                                                 ` Randy Brukardt
2003-05-28 20:06                                                                                                                                   ` Robert A Duff
2003-05-29  9:17                                                                                                                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-05-28 21:19                                                                                                                                   ` Dale Stanbrough
2003-05-28 21:45                                                                                                                                   ` Robert C. Leif
2003-05-29 11:02                                                                                                                                   ` Marin David Condic
2003-05-30  8:42                                                                                                                                     ` Dale Stanbrough
2003-05-30  9:22                                                                                                                                       ` AG
2003-05-30 10:54                                                                                                                                         ` Dale Stanbrough
2003-05-30 11:11                                                                                                                                           ` AG
2003-05-30 13:46                                                                                                                                             ` Dale Stanbrough
2003-05-30 18:55                                                                                                                                               ` Randy Brukardt
2003-05-30 19:31                                                                                                                                                 ` Robert A Duff
2003-05-31  7:25                                                                                                                                               ` AG
2003-05-31 12:12                                                                                                                                                 ` Dale Stanbrough
2003-05-30 11:41                                                                                                                                       ` Marin David Condic
2003-05-30 19:10                                                                                                                                         ` Randy Brukardt
2003-05-30 20:33                                                                                                                                         ` tmoran
2003-05-31  3:13                                                                                                                                           ` Marin David Condic
2003-05-31 13:31                                                                                                                                             ` Simon Wright
2003-05-30 22:50                                                                                                                                         ` John Griffiths
2003-05-31  9:30                                                                                                                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-05-31  9:30                                                                                                                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-05-31 12:37                                                                                                                                           ` Marin David Condic
2003-05-30 18:49                                                                                                                                       ` Randy Brukardt
2003-05-30 19:46                                                                                                                                         ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-05-29  0:23                                                                                                                                 ` Robert A Duff
2003-05-29  3:13                                                                                                                                   ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-05-29 11:08                                                                                                                                   ` Marin David Condic
2003-05-29 17:08                                                                                                                                     ` tmoran
2003-05-30  1:33                                                                                                                                       ` Robert C. Leif
2003-05-30 11:32                                                                                                                                       ` Marin David Condic
2003-05-29 17:13                                                                                                                                     ` Mike Silva
2003-06-01 17:17                                                                                                                                       ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-05-30 14:12                                                                                                                                   ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-05-30 14:23                                                                                                                                     ` Robert A Duff
2003-05-30 14:45                                                                                                                                       ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-05-30 16:03                                                                                                                                         ` Robert A Duff
2003-05-30 11:47                                                                                                                   ` Quality systems (Was: Using Ada for device drivers? (Was: the Ada mandate, and why it collapsed and died)) Mark Lorenzen
2003-05-30 11:50                                                                                                                     ` Marin David Condic
2003-05-31  9:30                                                                                                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-05-31 12:45                                                                                                                         ` Marin David Condic
2003-05-31 17:19                                                                                                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-05-27 21:08                                                                                                                 ` Randy Brukardt
2003-05-23  7:27                                                                                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-05-23 21:21                                                                                                             ` Robert A Duff
2003-05-24  7:33                                                                                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-05-25  5:50                                                                                                             ` Hyman Rosen
2003-05-25  9:13                                                                                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-05-25 20:46                                                                                                               ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-05-23 14:28                                                                                                           ` Quality systems (Was: Using Ada for device drivers? (Was: theAda " Robert C. Leif
2003-05-25 15:38                                                                                                             ` Quality systems (Was: Using Ada for device drivers? (Was: theAdamandate, " Tarjei T. Jensen
2003-05-20 20:59                                                                                                     ` Quality systems (Was: Using Ada for device drivers? (Was: the Ada mandate, " tmoran
2003-05-21 15:11                                                                                                       ` Robert A Duff
2003-05-21 15:47                                                                                                         ` Quality systems Peter Hermann
2003-05-21 16:24                                                                                                         ` Quality systems (Was: Using Ada for device drivers? (Was: the Ada mandate, and why it collapsed and died)) tmoran
2003-05-21 11:42                                                                                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-05-21 15:29                                                                                                       ` Robert A Duff
2003-05-22  7:29                                                                                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-05-22 12:27                                                                                                           ` Quality systems Peter Hermann
2003-05-22 17:21                                                                                                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-05-21 18:28                                                                                                       ` Quality systems (Was: Using Ada for device drivers? (Was: the Ada mandate, and why it collapsed and died)) John R. Strohm
2003-05-22  7:09                                                                                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-05-28 11:35                                                                                                     ` Quality systems (Was: Using Ada for device drivers? (Was: the Larry Kilgallen
     [not found]                                                                                                     ` <badvd5$raumj$1@ID-175126.newOrganization: LJK Software <QImmYdcyN2$d@eisner.encompasserve.org>
2003-05-28 12:29                                                                                                       ` Marin David Condic
2003-05-30 10:09                                                                                                     ` Quality systems (Was: Using Ada for device drivers? (Was: the Ada mandate, and why it collapsed and died)) Larry Kilgallen
2003-05-20  3:03                                                                                                 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-05-23  6:21                                                                                                 ` Quality systems (Was: Using Ada for device drivers? (Was: theAda " Richard Riehle
2003-05-19  7:57                                                                                         ` Quality systems (Was: Using Ada for device drivers? (Was: the Ada " Preben Randhol
2003-05-19 19:04                                                                                         ` Overflow checking in GNAT (Was: Quality systems) Jacob Sparre Andersen
2003-05-16 12:25                                                                               ` Quality systems (Was: Using Ada for device drivers? (Was: the Ada mandate, and why it collapsed and died)) Marc A. Criley
2003-05-16 13:21                                                                                 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-05-16 19:07                                                                                   ` Dr Chaos
2003-05-19  7:35                                                                                   ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2003-05-19  7:39                                                                                     ` Hyman Rosen
2003-05-19  8:46                                                                                       ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2003-05-19 14:01                                                                                         ` Hyman Rosen
2003-05-19 20:38                                                                                           ` Dr Chaos
2003-05-20  7:51                                                                                           ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2003-05-20  5:52                                                                                         ` The Ghost In The Machine
2003-05-20 13:18                                                                                           ` Hyman Rosen
2003-05-21 13:57                                                                                             ` The Ghost In The Machine
2003-05-21 14:22                                                                                               ` Hyman Rosen
2003-05-23  5:18                                                                                                 ` The Ghost In The Machine
2003-05-25  5:54                                                                                                   ` Hyman Rosen
2003-05-25  6:28                                                                                                     ` Dale Stanbrough
2003-05-25  6:35                                                                                                       ` Hyman Rosen
2003-05-16 18:14                                                                                 ` Wesley Groleau
2003-05-19 14:43                                                                                 ` Quality systems (Was: Using Ada for device drivers? (Was: the Larry Kilgallen
2003-05-19 15:04                                                                                   ` Hyman Rosen
2003-05-13 14:43                                                                         ` Quality systems (Was: Using Ada for device drivers? (Was: the Ada mandate, and why it collapsed and died)) soft-eng
2003-05-13 21:01                                                                           ` Wesley Groleau
2003-05-14 12:36                                                                             ` soft-eng
2003-05-15 13:55                                                                               ` Graham Perkins
2003-05-16 12:40                                                                                 ` soft-eng
2003-05-16 14:59                                                                                   ` Tom Welsh
2003-05-16 15:52                                                                                   ` Preben Randhol
2003-05-17 14:34                                                                                     ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2003-05-17 16:59                                                                                       ` Preben Randhol
2003-05-17 18:01                                                                                         ` WinGuru
2003-05-17 18:08                                                                                           ` Preben Randhol
2003-05-17 21:58                                                                                           ` AG
2003-05-18  8:12                                                                                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-05-18  7:50                                                                                         ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2003-05-18  9:07                                                                                           ` Preben Randhol
2003-05-18  9:10                                                                                             ` Preben Randhol
2003-05-18  9:27                                                                                             ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2003-05-18  9:56                                                                                               ` Preben Randhol
2003-05-18 13:39                                                                                               ` Marin David Condic
2003-05-22 10:16                                                                                                 ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2003-05-22 11:43                                                                                                   ` Marin David Condic
2003-05-22 11:50                                                                                                     ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-05-22 12:52                                                                                                     ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-05-18  0:52                                                                                       ` tmoran
2003-05-18  7:54                                                                                         ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2003-05-18  9:04                                                                                           ` Preben Randhol
2003-05-18  9:25                                                                                             ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2003-05-18  9:55                                                                                               ` Preben Randhol
2003-05-18 10:50                                                                                                 ` Pascal Obry
2003-05-19  7:52                                                                                                   ` Preben Randhol
2003-05-18 10:16                                                                                               ` Dale Stanbrough
2003-05-18 11:06                                                                                                 ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2003-05-18 11:10                                                                                                   ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2003-05-18 11:37                                                                                                     ` Dale Stanbrough
2003-05-19  7:50                                                                                                       ` Preben Randhol
2003-05-19  8:23                                                                                                         ` Dale Stanbrough
2003-05-19 15:12                                                                                                         ` Wesley Groleau
2003-05-18 11:41                                                                                                     ` Dale Stanbrough
2003-05-19  7:47                                                                                                   ` Preben Randhol
2003-05-19 15:11                                                                                                     ` [off-topic] fruit inspection Wesley Groleau
2003-05-19 19:00                                                                                                       ` Preben Randhol
2003-05-22 11:00                                                                                 ` Quality systems (Was: Using Ada for device drivers? (Was: the Ada mandate, and why it collapsed and died)) Larry Kilgallen
     [not found]                                                                                 ` <9fa75d42.0305160440.7846d1Organization: LJK Software <bNuxBNMk4BSq@eisner.encompasserve.org>
2003-05-22 13:12                                                                                   ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2003-05-22 14:17                                                                                 ` Larry Kilgallen
     [not found]                                                                             ` <9fa75d42.0305140436.5 <ba067m$iph$1@south.jnrs.ja.net>
2003-05-15 14:18                                                                               ` Roy Smith
2003-05-15 16:44                                                                                 ` Quality systems Dave Aronson
2003-05-16  0:40                                                                                   ` Willard Thompson
2003-05-13 14:48                                                                         ` Quality systems (Was: Using Ada for device drivers? (Was: the Ada mandate, and why it collapsed and died)) Willard Thompson
2003-05-13 16:03                                                                     ` Kaz Kylheku
2003-05-09 16:23                                                             ` Using Ada for device drivers? (Was: the Ada mandate, and why it collapsed and died) Wesley Groleau
2003-05-09 18:52                                                             ` Jim Rogers
2003-05-12  0:47                                                               ` Dave Thompson
2003-05-14  3:25                                                                 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-05-14  5:19                                                                   ` Preben Randhol
2003-05-22  6:30                                                                   ` Dave Thompson
2003-05-09 19:27                                                             ` Marc A. Criley
2003-05-10 14:09                                                               ` Marin David Condic
2003-05-10 17:37                                                                 ` soft-eng
2003-05-10 18:00                                                                   ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-05-09 22:32                                                             ` Gautier
2003-05-01 19:29                                                     ` Gautier
2003-05-09 13:36                                                       ` soft-eng
2003-05-09 16:14                                                         ` John R. Strohm
2003-05-09 17:46                                                         ` soft-eng
2003-05-10  8:40                                                           ` Preben Randhol
2003-05-10  8:30                                                         ` Preben Randhol
2003-05-10 17:35                                                           ` soft-eng
2003-05-12  8:16                                                             ` Preben Randhol
2003-05-01 19:44                                                     ` Dr Chaos
2003-05-02 12:29                                                     ` Marin David Condic
2003-05-09 17:37                                                       ` soft-eng
2003-05-10  6:56                                                         ` Tom Welsh
2003-05-10 14:51                                                           ` Marin David Condic
2003-05-10 17:27                                                           ` soft-eng
2003-05-11  1:36                                                             ` John R. Strohm
2003-05-11 22:13                                                             ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-05-12 13:51                                                               ` soft-eng
2003-05-13 12:12                                                                 ` Using Ada for device drivers? Georg Bauhaus
2003-05-15  1:32                                                                   ` soft-eng
2003-05-15 17:54                                                                     ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-05-10 14:36                                                         ` Using Ada for device drivers? (Was: the Ada mandate, and why it collapsed and died) Marin David Condic
2003-05-02 18:21                                                 ` Using Ada for device drivers? Georg Bauhaus
2003-05-02 18:37                                                   ` Robert A Duff
2003-05-04 18:33                                                   ` Hyman Rosen
2003-05-05 12:30                                                     ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-05-05 13:12                                                       ` Hyman Rosen
2003-05-06 14:47                                                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-05-06 17:37                                                           ` Hyman Rosen
2003-05-06 21:02                                                             ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-05-06  9:15                                                     ` Peter Hermann
2003-05-06 19:40                                                     ` Jim Rogers
2003-05-06 20:13                                                       ` Hyman Rosen
2003-05-06 20:13                                                     ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-04-24 13:05                                       ` the Ada mandate, and why it collapsed and died (was): 64 bit addressing and OOP Larry Kilgallen
2003-04-24 13:33                                       ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-04-24 14:09                                       ` John R. Strohm
2003-04-24 20:37                                       ` Kaz Kylheku
2003-05-01  1:32                                       ` Adam Ruth
2003-04-23 18:31                                   ` Simon Wright
2003-04-23 18:40                                   ` Samuel Tardieu
2003-04-22 19:33                             ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-04-23  4:28                             ` Larry Kilgallen
     [not found]                             ` <9fa75d42.0304221126.7112b7d5@posting.gOrganization: LJK Software <d3xFAUvBYizb@eisner.encompasserve.org>
2003-04-22 21:50                               ` Robert A Duff
2003-04-23  0:01                                 ` Dale Stanbrough
2003-04-26 14:44                                   ` soft-eng
2003-04-27  4:55                                     ` Steve
2003-04-27 21:48                                       ` [off-topic] electronic mismatch Wesley Groleau
2003-04-23 13:15                               ` the Ada mandate, and why it collapsed and died (was): 64 bit addressing and OOP soft-eng
2003-04-23 18:40                                 ` Dr Chaos
2003-05-01  1:39                                 ` Adam Ruth
2003-04-23 13:54                               ` Larry Kilgallen
     [not found]                               ` <9fa75d42.030423Organization: LJK Software <kKoVGF55fYtj@eisner.encompasserve.org>
2003-04-23 15:47                                 ` H. S. Lahman
2003-04-25 19:38                                 ` soft-eng
2003-04-23 16:24                             ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-04-25  0:15                               ` Richard Riehle
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