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From: Richard Riehle <richard@adaworks.com>
Subject: Re: the Ada mandate, and why it collapsed and died (was): 64 bit addressing and OOP
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 11:55:26 -0700
Date: 2003-04-18T18:54:51+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3EA04A1E.CAFC1FEF@adaworks.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: a3eaa964.0304162216.60978001@posting.google.com

Kent Paul Dolan wrote:

> I merely lack the level of specific
> formal education in computer language
> design that make most of what the OP
> thinks of as "simple principles" look
> simple when reduced to standards-ese, or
> look simple when trying to convince
> other mid-level and junior programmers
> that Ada is an "easily understood
> language".

I suppose I should interpret that as a response to my
contention that Ada is not as hard to learn as many
have suggested.    In fact,  Ada, once some fundamental
ideas are understood, is not that difficult.   However,
in its early days, when those fundamental ideas were
new, even  revolutionary, they were difficult for even
experienced programmers to grasp.    Now, so many of
those ideas have been adopted in the design of other
programming languages, that, when one mentions one
of them in the context of Ada, the response is often, "So
what?  Language XYZ has that feature too."

True, not all of the ideas have been adopted.  The most
difficult  idea for many programmers to grasp is the set
of visibility rules in Ada.   In my experience, once those
are understood, everything else falls into place.  Some
Ada programmers spend years fighting the visibility
rules, and continue to raise questions, debate, and
engage in endless language lawyering in an attempt to
subvert, thwart, or whine about them.

> If that claim were true, the years of
> language lawyering that have filled and
> continue to fill comp.lang.ada would not
> have been necessary. In the case, Ada is
> conceptually an extremely difficult
> language to understand, and I'm not sure
> why that needed to be so.  Pascal [from
> which Ada mostly derives], at least in
> its early incarnations, is in contrast
> supremely easy to understand from the
> practicing programmer's viewpoint, which
> made it a splendid learning langauge and
> quite fair in practice as well.

I disagree.  Ada is not conceptually difficult to
learn or understand.  It does include some new
ideas, and new ideas are sometimes difficult to
grasp at first.  That is quite different.

Again, many people who were required to learn
Ada for their work were resentful of the mandate
and spent their time inventing reasons why they
believed they could not do something instead of
discovering how easily they could do it.

If a programmer wants to fight the visibility rules,
for example, he can do so, can grumble about them,
find reasons why writing a particular program is so
hard,  and so on.   This attitude reminds me of my
first experience on a part-time high-school job in
which I was required to use a floor-buffer.   The
standard floor-buffer uses a large circulating brush
which, as it polishes the floor, can exert a powerful
thrust vectored over its clockwise motion.   A human,
regardless of their strength, cannot overcome the force
of the brush using brute strength.   That same human,
learning to gently balance the rotating brush, can make
it go anywhere.  I became quite skilled at controlling
the buffer and could eventually command it using a
single finger.

The Ada visibility rules are a powerful force in the language
design.  The programmer can exert all kinds of energy in
complaints about it.  However, once one understands this
feature, takes charge of its inherent force, and incoporates it
into a design and corresponding source code, it makes the
Ada programming (and especially the maintenance) process
much more pleasant than one might find in competing programming
languages.

Most of Ada is pretty simple.   Besides the visibility rules,
there are two other parts of the language that are a bit
difficult for some newcomers:  accessibility rules (for
objects and access types) which prevent many of the pointer
related mistakes so common in many languages,  and tasking,
a feature designed to incorporate concurrency in the language.

Most of the other features of the language, such as type safety rules,
separate compilation,  type derivation,  object aggregates, abstract
data types,  control over defined scope,  generic templates,  exception
handling,  packaging of common entities,  information hiding,
encapsulation, etc;  these features that once seemed so strange to
programmers experienced in procedural abstractions, are now
commonplace throughout the programming language community.
When introduced in Ada, they seemed strange, even bizzare. Now
they are accepted practice.

Even so, Ada is not intended for one-person, single program, projects
where an individual programmer can grasp every detail of the program.
It is intended for large-scale projects where many programmers and
designers must interact over a set of complex requirements and integrate

those requirements into a single, well-functioning whole.  Ada makes
that kind of project easier to develop, easier than one might experience

in most other languages.

One can make the case that Ada is not the best choice for certain
classes
of software.  I still believe it is not appropriate, using the current
compiler
technology, for eight-bit microcontrollers (e.g., I-8051),  but a subset
of
Ada might be.   Smalltalk is still a better language for some kinds of
software, especially where one needs a lot of dynamic properties and
frequent modification of the code.  Smalltalk is, however, a terrible
choice for the kinds of software Ada is targeted to build.

There are other languages one can compare to Ada that also have serious
potential for embedded-real-time safety-critical software.   As I
examine
them, in some detail, I keep discovering that they simply fall short.
It is
said, "The Devil is in the details."    C++, for example, when I look at
it
closely, seems inappropriate for developing software of the kind I just
described.   Each time I look for a competing technology, when compared
to Ada, it simply falls short.

A better Ada could be designed.   There are things about the language
that could be improved.   I hope someone will eventually design a
language that is better than the current Ada design.  At this point,
though,
when I am looking for a language that has a high regard for reliability
and dependability,  Ada still has the edge.

Richad Riehle






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2003-02-26 22:22                     ` Ada versus language-X and "getting real work done" (was): 64 bit addressing and OOP Kent Paul Dolan
2003-02-26 22:50                       ` Hyman Rosen
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2003-02-27  3:35                           ` Steve
2003-02-27  7:17                             ` Kent Paul Dolan
2003-02-27  4:38                           ` Hyman Rosen
2003-02-27  6:47                             ` Karel Miklav
2003-04-16 20:33                             ` Tom Welsh
2003-04-23 17:56                               ` Tor Iver Wilhelmsen
2003-02-27 22:06                           ` Dr Chaos
2003-02-27 23:49                             ` JXStern
2003-02-28  0:45                               ` Dr Chaos
2003-02-28  1:08                                 ` JXStern
2003-03-07 16:14                           ` Grant Wagner
2003-04-16 20:36                             ` Tom Welsh
2003-03-07 18:59                           ` John R. Strohm
2003-03-10 15:22                             ` soft-eng
2003-03-10 18:13                               ` John R. Strohm
2003-02-27  7:09                         ` Kent Paul Dolan
2003-02-27 15:32                           ` Hyman Rosen
2003-02-28  0:05                             ` Kent Paul Dolan
2003-02-27 12:35                       ` Marin David Condic
2003-02-27 23:57                         ` Kent Paul Dolan
2003-02-28 11:52                           ` Marin David Condic
2003-02-28  0:13                         ` Karen
2003-02-27 14:30                       ` Colin Paul Gloster
2003-02-27 15:26                       ` soft-eng
2003-02-27 20:27                         ` Mark Thornton
2003-02-27 23:52                         ` Kent Paul Dolan
2003-02-28 14:15                           ` soft-eng
2003-03-01 22:08                             ` AG
     [not found]                               ` <gf906vsc9rt677tusubo3btsjmn1ev1sgm@4ax.com>
2003-03-02 20:55                                 ` AG
2003-03-02 23:38                               ` soft-eng
2003-03-03 12:33                                 ` Lloyd Bonafide
2003-03-03 13:58                             ` soft-eng
2003-02-27 20:18                       ` Mark Thornton
2003-02-27 18:13                         ` CJT
2003-02-26 22:48                     ` the Ada mandate, and why it collapsed and died " Kent Paul Dolan
2003-02-27  0:38                       ` Robert C. Leif
2003-02-27 12:28                         ` Preben Randhol
2003-02-28  3:51                           ` the Ada mandate, and why it collapsed and died Richard Riehle
2003-02-28 12:24                             ` Marin David Condic
2003-02-28 12:48                               ` Marin David Condic
2003-03-01  1:42                                 ` Robert C. Leif
2003-03-01  2:56                                 ` Richard Riehle
2003-03-01 13:13                                   ` Marin David Condic
2003-03-02  0:39                                     ` Robert C. Leif
2003-03-02 16:27                                     ` John R. Strohm
2003-03-02 20:03                                       ` Robert A Duff
2003-03-03  1:21                                         ` Hide or reveal ? (Re: the Ada mandate, and why it collapsed and died) Faust
2003-03-03  8:05                                           ` Preben Randhol
2003-03-03  9:04                                             ` Faust
2003-03-03 18:04                                       ` the Ada mandate, and why it collapsed and died Marin David Condic
2003-04-16 20:48                       ` the Ada mandate, and why it collapsed and died (was): 64 bit addressing and OOP Tom Welsh
2003-04-17  6:16                         ` Kent Paul Dolan
2003-04-17 11:15                           ` Tom Welsh
2003-04-18 18:55                           ` Richard Riehle [this message]
2003-04-22 19:26                             ` soft-eng
2003-04-22 22:40                               ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-04-22 23:23                                 ` Wesley Groleau
2003-04-22 23:30                                 ` Robert A Duff
2003-04-23  1:05                                   ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-04-27 16:11                                     ` Robert A Duff
2003-04-28  9:31                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-04-28 23:17                                         ` Robert A Duff
2003-04-29  7:53                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-04-28 18:16                                       ` Randy Brukardt
2003-04-23  1:41                                   ` Dr Chaos
2003-04-27 16:21                                     ` Robert A Duff
2003-04-23  5:14                                   ` Wesley Groleau
2003-04-27 16:22                                     ` Robert A Duff
2003-04-27 21:34                                       ` Wesley Groleau
2003-04-28  9:33                                       ` AG
2003-04-23 23:06                                   ` Kent Paul Dolan
2003-04-24  0:43                                     ` Dr Chaos
2003-04-27 16:29                                     ` Robert A Duff
2003-04-23 12:39                                 ` soft-eng
2003-04-23 13:50                                   ` Stephen Leake
2003-04-23 16:55                                     ` soft-eng
2003-04-23 17:10                                   ` P S Norby
2003-04-23 17:57                                   ` Bill Findlay
2003-04-23 18:38                                   ` Dr Chaos
2003-04-24 13:03                                     ` soft-eng
2003-04-24 14:12                                       ` Wesley Groleau
2003-04-24 20:27                                         ` Kent Paul Dolan
2003-04-24 17:53                                       ` Mike Silva
2003-04-25 12:48                                         ` soft-eng
2003-04-26  5:16                                           ` Mike Silva
2003-04-26 14:49                                             ` soft-eng
2003-04-26 21:34                                               ` AG
2003-04-26 23:06                                                 ` Wesley Groleau
2003-05-01  9:33                                                   ` Tom Welsh
2003-04-27  2:03                                                 ` Mike Silva
2003-04-27  5:36                                                   ` AG
2003-04-27 20:35                                                     ` Eric G. Miller
2003-04-27 21:40                                                     ` Wesley Groleau
2003-04-28 21:42                                                       ` The Ghost In The Machine
2003-04-29  3:44                                                         ` Wesley Groleau
2003-04-28 17:42                                                     ` Mike Silva
2003-04-27  2:00                                               ` Frank J. Lhota
2003-04-27  2:27                                                 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-04-27  6:24                                               ` Kent Paul Dolan
2003-04-28 12:51                                                 ` soft-eng
2003-04-28 20:25                                                   ` Kent Paul Dolan
2003-04-30 14:48                                                     ` soft-eng
2003-04-30 19:30                                                       ` Rod Davison
2003-04-24 22:09                                       ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-04-25 17:37                                         ` soft-eng
2003-04-25 18:48                                           ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-04-26  2:27                                             ` AG
2003-04-26 14:54                                             ` soft-eng
2003-04-26  1:15                                           ` the Ada mandate, and why it collapsed and died (was): 64 bit addressing a Dave Harris
2003-04-27 20:12                                             ` Hyman Rosen
2003-04-24 23:25                                       ` the Ada mandate, and why it collapsed and died (was): 64 bit addressing and OOP Richard Riehle
2003-04-25 17:28                                         ` soft-eng
2003-04-25  1:51                                       ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-04-26 15:17                                         ` soft-eng
2003-04-25  6:44                                       ` Tom Welsh
2003-04-25  6:58                                         ` AG
2003-04-25 12:43                                           ` soft-eng
2003-04-25 18:04                                             ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-04-26  3:38                                               ` Wesley Groleau
2003-04-26  3:52                                                 ` AG
2003-04-26 12:00                                                 ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-04-25 12:37                                         ` soft-eng
2003-04-25 18:23                                           ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-04-26  1:32                                           ` Richard Riehle
2003-04-26 14:59                                             ` soft-eng
2003-04-30  2:26                                               ` Richard Riehle
2003-04-30 12:12                                                 ` soft-eng
2003-04-30 14:21                                                   ` John R. Strohm
2003-05-01 14:45                                                     ` soft-eng
2003-05-02  1:12                                                       ` Richard Riehle
2003-05-02 13:20                                                         ` soft-eng
2003-05-02 14:45                                                           ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-05-02 14:58                                                           ` Martin Dowie
2003-05-02 17:10                                                           ` Richard Riehle
2003-05-02 15:20                                                         ` Kevin Cline
2003-05-02 15:42                                                           ` Graham Perkins
2003-05-03  4:24                                                             ` Wesley Groleau
2003-05-04 18:20                                                               ` Hyman Rosen
2003-05-06 11:57                                                               ` The Ghost In The Machine
2003-05-07  1:28                                                                 ` Wesley Groleau
2003-05-08 12:41                                                                   ` The Ghost In The Machine
2003-05-08 15:21                                                                     ` Frank J. Lhota
2003-05-10 23:23                                                                       ` The Ghost In The Machine
2003-05-08 21:57                                                             ` Kevin Cline
2003-05-09  6:32                                                               ` apm
2003-04-28  9:05                                             ` Peter Hermann
2003-04-23 13:08                                 ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-04-23  5:57                               ` Richard Riehle
2003-04-23 10:51                                 ` Volkert
2003-04-23 12:24                                 ` soft-eng
2003-04-23 16:31                                   ` Marc A. Criley
2003-04-23 17:18                                   ` tmoran
2003-04-24 12:46                                     ` soft-eng
2003-04-24 13:04                                       ` Using Ada for device drivers? (Was: the Ada mandate, and why it collapsed and died) Jacob Sparre Andersen
2003-04-24 17:50                                         ` soft-eng
2003-04-24 18:37                                           ` tmoran
2003-04-24 19:11                                           ` Robert Spooner
2003-04-25 13:01                                             ` soft-eng
2003-04-25 14:02                                               ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-04-24 20:10                                           ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-04-25 17:22                                             ` soft-eng
2003-04-25 18:24                                               ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-04-24 23:23                                           ` Using Ada for device drivers? Vinzent Hoefler
2003-04-24 23:30                                           ` Using Ada for device drivers? (Was: the Ada mandate, and why it collapsed and died) Kaz Kylheku
2003-04-25 14:11                                             ` Using Ada for device drivers? Georg Bauhaus
2003-04-26 23:23                                               ` Kent Paul Dolan
2003-04-27  1:53                                             ` Using Ada for device drivers? (Was: the Ada mandate, and why it collapsed and died) Frank J. Lhota
2003-04-25  7:46                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-04-30  3:09                                           ` Will
2003-04-30  6:13                                             ` John R. Strohm
2003-04-30 12:31                                               ` Will
2003-04-30 17:17                                                 ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-05-01  3:37                                                   ` Will
2003-05-01  3:56                                                     ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-05-01 12:21                                                     ` Marin David Condic
2003-05-01 15:16                                                       ` Wesley Groleau
2003-05-02  4:15                                                       ` Will
2003-05-02 13:57                                                         ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-05-02 16:15                                                           ` Mark
2003-05-03  3:13                                                           ` Will
2003-05-03  4:24                                                             ` Chad R. Meiners
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2003-05-01 15:53                                                   ` Robert A Duff
2003-05-02  1:17                                                 ` Richard Riehle
2003-04-30 16:35                                               ` Kaz Kylheku
2003-04-30 17:22                                                 ` Frank J. Lhota
2003-05-01 19:03                                                   ` Kaz Kylheku
2003-05-02  8:26                                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-05-02 18:43                                                     ` Using Ada for device drivers? Georg Bauhaus
2003-04-30 20:15                                                 ` Using Ada for device drivers? (Was: the Ada mandate, and why it collapsed and died) John R. Strohm
2003-05-01 14:21                                                   ` soft-eng
2003-05-01 15:22                                                     ` Wesley Groleau
2003-05-01 15:56                                                       ` Hyman Rosen
2003-05-02  3:15                                                         ` James S. Rogers
2003-05-02  3:24                                                         ` Wesley Groleau
2003-05-11 18:52                                                           ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-05-11 20:11                                                             ` Hyman Rosen
2003-05-11 21:09                                                               ` John R. Strohm
2003-05-11 23:43                                                                 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-05-11 23:54                                                                   ` Bill Findlay
2003-05-12 17:23                                                                   ` Mike Silva
2003-05-12 18:20                                                                     ` Stephen Leake
2003-05-13 11:42                                                                     ` Marin David Condic
2003-05-15 18:18                                                                       ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-05-12 18:28                                                                   ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-05-11 21:57                                                               ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-05-12  0:06                                                                 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-05-12  1:04                                                                   ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-05-12  3:53                                                                   ` Wesley Groleau
2003-05-11 23:33                                                               ` Wesley Groleau
2003-05-11 23:51                                                                 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-05-12  8:40                                                                   ` Preben Randhol
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2003-05-12  5:04                                                                   ` Wesley Groleau
2003-05-12 14:03                                                                     ` OT: Card Shuffling Frank J. Lhota
2003-05-11 23:50                                                               ` Using Ada for device drivers? (Was: the Ada mandate, and why it collapsed and died) Bill Findlay
2003-05-12  8:18                                                               ` Preben Randhol
2003-05-11 21:07                                                             ` John R. Strohm
2003-05-12  0:49                                                               ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-05-12 18:23                                                                 ` Stephen Leake
2003-05-14  5:00                                                                   ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-05-13  2:19                                                                 ` John R. Strohm
2003-05-13  3:21                                                             ` Dr Chaos
2003-05-01 18:35                                                     ` Marc A. Criley
2003-05-01 20:49                                                       ` Robert A Duff
2003-05-02  1:27                                                       ` soft-eng
2003-05-02  3:05                                                         ` John R. Strohm
2003-05-02 13:07                                                           ` soft-eng
2003-05-02 13:14                                                             ` Martin Dowie
2003-05-02 14:23                                                             ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-05-02 17:27                                                             ` Richard Riehle
2003-05-02 21:20                                                             ` Tom Welsh
2003-05-04 13:09                                                               ` Bill Findlay
2003-05-03  4:09                                                             ` Dr Chaos
2003-05-02  3:30                                                         ` James S. Rogers
2003-05-02 13:16                                                           ` soft-eng
2003-05-02 14:28                                                             ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-05-02 17:35                                                             ` Richard Riehle
2003-05-02 21:23                                                             ` Tom Welsh
2003-05-02 22:18                                                             ` Jim Rogers
2003-05-03  4:07                                                               ` Dr Chaos
2003-05-06 13:21                                                               ` soft-eng
2003-05-06 19:03                                                                 ` Jim Rogers
2003-05-07 13:04                                                                   ` soft-eng
2003-05-07 14:05                                                                     ` Preben Randhol
2003-05-07 17:29                                                                       ` soft-eng
2003-05-07 19:37                                                                         ` Mark Thornton
2003-05-08 13:48                                                                           ` soft-eng
2003-05-08 15:46                                                                             ` Thant Tessman
2003-05-09  3:37                                                                               ` Wesley Groleau
2003-05-09  7:23                                                                                 ` Marshall Spight
2003-05-09 13:14                                                                                   ` soft-eng
2003-05-09 12:31                                                                                 ` soft-eng
2003-05-10  4:57                                                                                   ` Tim Ottinger
2003-05-11 19:24                                                                                     ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-05-12  9:51                                                                                     ` Leif Roar Moldskred
2003-05-09 15:09                                                                                 ` Thant Tessman
2003-05-07 22:58                                                                         ` Dr Chaos
2003-05-08 14:06                                                                           ` soft-eng
2003-05-08 17:57                                                                             ` Dr Chaos
2003-05-08 18:20                                                                             ` tmoran
2003-05-09 13:22                                                                               ` soft-eng
2003-05-11 20:12                                                                                 ` Richard Riehle
2003-05-11 20:24                                                                                   ` Hyman Rosen
2003-05-13  1:39                                                                                     ` Using Ada for device drivers? (Was: the Ada mandate, and whyit " Richard Riehle
2003-05-08 23:16                                                                             ` Using Ada for device drivers? (Was: the Ada mandate, and why it " John R. Strohm
2003-05-09 12:24                                                                               ` soft-eng
2003-05-09 16:03                                                                                 ` John R. Strohm
2003-05-09 16:28                                                                                   ` John R. Strohm
2003-05-09 23:45                                                                                     ` soft-eng
2003-05-10  2:32                                                                                       ` John R. Strohm
2003-05-10  4:24                                                                                     ` Jim Weirich
2003-05-08 12:29                                                                         ` Marin David Condic
2003-05-08 20:22                                                                           ` soft-eng
2003-05-08 21:33                                                                             ` Robert A Duff
2003-05-08 23:21                                                                             ` John R. Strohm
2003-05-09  8:30                                                                             ` Tom Welsh
2003-05-09 13:18                                                                               ` soft-eng
2003-05-09 15:01                                                                                 ` Tom Welsh
2003-05-09 23:41                                                                               ` Dr Chaos
2003-05-12 13:43                                                                                 ` soft-eng
2003-05-13  3:25                                                                                   ` Dr Chaos
2003-05-13 17:30                                                                                     ` soft-eng
2003-05-13 22:19                                                                                       ` Dr Chaos
2003-05-14 12:53                                                                                         ` soft-eng
2003-05-14 14:55                                                                                           ` Preben Randhol
2003-05-14 22:56                                                                                             ` Thant Tessman
2003-05-13 10:36                                                                                 ` Larry Kilgallen
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2003-05-13 20:53                                                                                   ` Simon Wright
2003-05-08 14:34                                                                         ` Preben Randhol
2003-05-08 17:58                                                                           ` Dr Chaos
2003-05-07 16:33                                                                     ` Wesley Groleau
2003-05-07 18:48                                                                     ` Jim Rogers
2003-05-07 19:09                                                                     ` Gautier
2003-05-07 22:45                                                                     ` Dr Chaos
2003-05-02 12:57                                                         ` Marc A. Criley
2003-05-02 18:55                                                           ` Hyman Rosen
2003-05-09 14:57                                                             ` soft-eng
2003-05-09 15:44                                                               ` Hyman Rosen
2003-05-10 17:17                                                                 ` soft-eng
2003-05-12  8:06                                                                   ` Preben Randhol
2003-05-12 13:48                                                                     ` soft-eng
2003-05-12 14:33                                                                       ` Preben Randhol
2003-05-08  5:14                                                         ` Gautier
2003-05-09 14:12                                                           ` soft-eng
2003-05-09 14:33                                                             ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-05-09 14:38                                                             ` Frank J. Lhota
2003-05-09 16:09                                                             ` John R. Strohm
2003-05-09 23:49                                                               ` soft-eng
2003-05-10  2:44                                                                 ` John R. Strohm
2003-05-11 20:59                                                                   ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-05-11 22:24                                                                     ` Shayne Wissler
2003-05-13  3:15                                                                   ` Dr Chaos
2003-05-13 14:29                                                                     ` Robert Spooner
2003-05-13 14:46                                                                       ` James S. Rogers
2003-05-10 10:49                                                                 ` Dale Stanbrough
2003-05-12  5:36                                                                   ` Quality systems (Was: Using Ada for device drivers? (Was: the Ada mandate, and why it collapsed and died)) Anders Wirzenius
2003-05-13  0:29                                                                     ` Willard Thompson
2003-05-13  2:16                                                                       ` John R. Strohm
2003-05-13 13:53                                                                         ` Kent Paul Dolan
2003-05-13  6:36                                                                       ` Anders Wirzenius
2003-05-13 13:43                                                                         ` soft-eng
2003-05-13 13:49                                                                           ` Preben Randhol
2003-05-13 14:28                                                                             ` Robert Spooner
2003-05-13 17:17                                                                               ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-05-14 14:35                                                                               ` The Ghost In The Machine
2003-05-14 12:27                                                                             ` Marin David Condic
2003-05-14 15:16                                                                               ` Preben Randhol
2003-05-14 16:50                                                                                 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-05-14 18:45                                                                                   ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-05-15 16:32                                                                                     ` Stephen Leake
2003-05-15 17:18                                                                                       ` Quality systems Vinzent Hoefler
2003-05-15 17:48                                                                                     ` Quality systems (Was: Using Ada for device drivers? (Was: the Ada mandate, and why it collapsed and died)) Jim Rogers
2003-05-16 12:53                                                                               ` soft-eng
2003-05-16 13:36                                                                                 ` Steve O'Neill
2003-05-16 13:44                                                                                 ` Preben Randhol
2003-05-17  8:34                                                                                 ` Martin Dowie
2003-05-17 16:30                                                                                   ` Wesley Groleau
2003-05-17  9:10                                                                                 ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-05-17 14:45                                                                                 ` Marin David Condic
2003-05-14  7:36                                                                           ` Anders Wirzenius
2003-05-14 14:30                                                                             ` Robert Spooner
2003-05-14 17:10                                                                             ` Wesley Groleau
2003-05-15 14:00                                                                             ` soft-eng
2003-05-16  6:12                                                                               ` Anders Wirzenius
2003-05-16 14:25                                                                                 ` soft-eng
2003-05-16 22:20                                                                                   ` Quality systems Georg Bauhaus
2003-05-14 13:49                                                                           ` Quality systems (Was: Using Ada for device drivers? (Was: the Ada mandate, and why it collapsed and died)) Marc A. Criley
2003-05-15  1:47                                                                             ` soft-eng
2003-05-15  6:43                                                                               ` tmoran
2003-05-15 14:29                                                                                 ` achrist
2003-05-15 14:34                                                                                   ` David Lightstone
2003-05-15 15:20                                                                                     ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-05-16  5:17                                                                                     ` Richard Riehle
2003-05-21 20:11                                                                                     ` Brian Gaffney
2003-05-21 21:51                                                                                       ` David Lightstone
2003-05-22  2:37                                                                                       ` achrist
2003-05-22 20:34                                                                                         ` Randy Brukardt
2003-05-28 22:56                                                                                         ` David Lightstone
2003-05-22 20:29                                                                                       ` Randy Brukardt
2003-05-23  6:15                                                                                         ` Richard Riehle
2003-05-23 10:37                                                                                           ` Dale Stanbrough
2003-05-15 14:38                                                                                   ` Quality systems (Was: Using Ada for device drivers? (Was: theAda " David C. Hoos
2003-05-15 15:20                                                                                     ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-05-15 16:34                                                                                     ` tmoran
2003-05-15 15:20                                                                                   ` Quality systems (Was: Using Ada for device drivers? (Was: the Ada " Vinzent Hoefler
2003-05-15 23:00                                                                                     ` achrist
2003-05-16  3:22                                                                                       ` Ada for tiny machines ? Wesley Groleau
2003-05-16  4:40                                                                                       ` Quality systems (Was: Using Ada for device drivers? (Was: the Ada tmoran
2003-05-16 14:31                                                                                         ` achrist
2003-05-17  5:11                                                                                           ` tmoran
2003-05-17 18:33                                                                                             ` achrist
2003-05-18  3:19                                                                                               ` tmoran
2003-05-15 15:04                                                                                 ` Quality systems (Was: Using Ada for device drivers? (Was: the Ada mandate, and why it collapsed and died)) Wesley Groleau
2003-05-16 12:31                                                                                   ` soft-eng
2003-05-16 13:47                                                                                     ` Preben Randhol
2003-05-16 18:20                                                                                     ` Wesley Groleau
2003-05-16 14:04                                                                                 ` soft-eng
2003-05-16 17:42                                                                                   ` Steve O'Neill
2003-05-15  8:13                                                                               ` Preben Randhol
2003-05-15 18:07                                                                                 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-05-15 18:26                                                                                   ` Shayne Wissler
2003-05-16 15:40                                                                                     ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-05-16 17:24                                                                                     ` soft-eng
2003-05-16 18:54                                                                                       ` Linnea
2003-05-17  0:43                                                                                         ` soft-eng
2003-05-16 19:20                                                                                       ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-05-16 20:57                                                                                         ` Larry Hazel
2003-05-17  0:42                                                                                         ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-05-17  0:47                                                                                         ` soft-eng
2003-05-17  1:55                                                                                         ` soft-eng
2003-05-17 15:28                                                                                     ` Bjorn Reese
2003-05-17 17:28                                                                                       ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-05-15 19:48                                                                                   ` Robert Spooner
2003-05-16  2:47                                                                                     ` John R. Strohm
2003-05-16  4:03                                                                                       ` Dr Chaos
2003-05-15 19:39                                                                                 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-05-16  6:23                                                                                   ` Preben Randhol
2003-05-16  9:56                                                                                     ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2003-05-16 17:30                                                                                       ` Logic Errors and Ada (Was: A big hairy thread on Ada, Quality, and Drivers) Marc A. Criley
2003-05-18 23:02                                                                                         ` soft-eng
2003-05-19  1:37                                                                                           ` James S. Rogers
2003-05-19  3:13                                                                                             ` Wesley Groleau
2003-05-19  5:44                                                                                             ` Anders Wirzenius
2003-05-20  0:55                                                                                               ` James S. Rogers
2003-05-19  2:00                                                                                           ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-05-20 10:28                                                                                             ` Logic Errors and Ada Peter Hermann
2003-05-21  3:05                                                                                               ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-05-19 11:11                                                                                           ` Logic Errors and Ada (Was: A big hairy thread on Ada, Quality, and Drivers) Martin Dowie
2003-05-19 19:42                                                                                             ` Simon Wright
2003-05-19 20:30                                                                                               ` Dr Chaos
2003-05-19 22:10                                                                                                 ` Preben Randhol
2003-05-20 13:36                                                                                                   ` Stephen Leake
2003-05-20  7:34                                                                                               ` Martin Dowie
2003-05-20 13:04                                                                                                 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-05-20 21:19                                                                                                   ` Martin Dowie
2003-05-21  7:19                                                                                                     ` Martin Dowie
2003-05-19 16:30                                                                                           ` Marc A. Criley
2003-05-19 21:57                                                                                           ` Gautier Write-only
2003-05-20 16:21                                                                                             ` soft-eng
2003-05-20 20:45                                                                                               ` Gautier Write-only
2003-05-20 20:52                                                                                               ` Tom Welsh
2003-05-16 17:43                                                                                       ` Quality systems (Was: Using Ada for device drivers? (Was: the Ada mandate, and why it collapsed and died)) Chad R. Meiners
2003-05-16  9:39                                                                               ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2003-05-16 22:32                                                                                 ` AG
2003-05-17  1:48                                                                                   ` soft-eng
2003-05-17  3:20                                                                                     ` AG
2003-05-17  3:47                                                                                     ` James S. Rogers
2003-05-19  1:57                                                                                       ` Hyman Rosen
2003-05-19  6:30                                                                                         ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-05-19  7:42                                                                                           ` Hyman Rosen
2003-05-19  8:21                                                                                             ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-05-19 14:07                                                                                               ` Hyman Rosen
2003-05-19 14:31                                                                                                 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-05-19 15:00                                                                                                   ` Hyman Rosen
2003-05-19 15:21                                                                                                     ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-05-20 16:10                                                                                                   ` Robert A Duff
2003-05-20 19:23                                                                                                     ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-05-20 19:54                                                                                                       ` Robert A Duff
2003-05-22 21:15                                                                                                         ` Randy Brukardt
2003-05-23  0:48                                                                                                           ` Hyman Rosen
2003-05-23 18:38                                                                                                             ` Randy Brukardt
2003-05-24 22:42                                                                                                               ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-05-25 10:53                                                                                                                 ` Matthew Woodcraft
2003-05-25 21:12                                                                                                                   ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-05-25 12:33                                                                                                                 ` Marin David Condic
2003-05-25 19:47                                                                                                                   ` Hyman Rosen
2003-05-26 12:32                                                                                                                     ` Marin David Condic
2003-05-26 15:57                                                                                                                       ` Hyman Rosen
2003-05-27 12:02                                                                                                                         ` Marin David Condic
2003-05-27 12:26                                                                                                                           ` Dale Stanbrough
2003-05-28 11:25                                                                                                                             ` Marin David Condic
2003-05-28  6:56                                                                                                                           ` AG
2003-05-28 11:34                                                                                                                             ` Marin David Condic
2003-05-28  8:24                                                                                                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-05-28 11:38                                                                                                                             ` Marin David Condic
2003-05-29  9:17                                                                                                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-05-29 10:55                                                                                                                                 ` Marin David Condic
2003-05-28  9:13                                                                                                                           ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-05-28 11:53                                                                                                                             ` Saturated Math (was: " Marin David Condic
2003-05-28 13:02                                                                                                                               ` Saturated Math Vinzent Hoefler
2003-05-28 18:56                                                                                                                                 ` Randy Brukardt
2003-05-28 20:06                                                                                                                                   ` Robert A Duff
2003-05-29  9:17                                                                                                                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-05-28 21:19                                                                                                                                   ` Dale Stanbrough
2003-05-28 21:45                                                                                                                                   ` Robert C. Leif
2003-05-29 11:02                                                                                                                                   ` Marin David Condic
2003-05-30  8:42                                                                                                                                     ` Dale Stanbrough
2003-05-30  9:22                                                                                                                                       ` AG
2003-05-30 10:54                                                                                                                                         ` Dale Stanbrough
2003-05-30 11:11                                                                                                                                           ` AG
2003-05-30 13:46                                                                                                                                             ` Dale Stanbrough
2003-05-30 18:55                                                                                                                                               ` Randy Brukardt
2003-05-30 19:31                                                                                                                                                 ` Robert A Duff
2003-05-31  7:25                                                                                                                                               ` AG
2003-05-31 12:12                                                                                                                                                 ` Dale Stanbrough
2003-05-30 11:41                                                                                                                                       ` Marin David Condic
2003-05-30 19:10                                                                                                                                         ` Randy Brukardt
2003-05-30 20:33                                                                                                                                         ` tmoran
2003-05-31  3:13                                                                                                                                           ` Marin David Condic
2003-05-31 13:31                                                                                                                                             ` Simon Wright
2003-05-30 22:50                                                                                                                                         ` John Griffiths
2003-05-31  9:30                                                                                                                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-05-31  9:30                                                                                                                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-05-31 12:37                                                                                                                                           ` Marin David Condic
2003-05-30 18:49                                                                                                                                       ` Randy Brukardt
2003-05-30 19:46                                                                                                                                         ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-05-29  0:23                                                                                                                                 ` Robert A Duff
2003-05-29  3:13                                                                                                                                   ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-05-29 11:08                                                                                                                                   ` Marin David Condic
2003-05-29 17:08                                                                                                                                     ` tmoran
2003-05-30  1:33                                                                                                                                       ` Robert C. Leif
2003-05-30 11:32                                                                                                                                       ` Marin David Condic
2003-05-29 17:13                                                                                                                                     ` Mike Silva
2003-06-01 17:17                                                                                                                                       ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-05-30 14:12                                                                                                                                   ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-05-30 14:23                                                                                                                                     ` Robert A Duff
2003-05-30 14:45                                                                                                                                       ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-05-30 16:03                                                                                                                                         ` Robert A Duff
2003-05-30 11:47                                                                                                                   ` Quality systems (Was: Using Ada for device drivers? (Was: the Ada mandate, and why it collapsed and died)) Mark Lorenzen
2003-05-30 11:50                                                                                                                     ` Marin David Condic
2003-05-31  9:30                                                                                                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-05-31 12:45                                                                                                                         ` Marin David Condic
2003-05-31 17:19                                                                                                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-05-27 21:08                                                                                                                 ` Randy Brukardt
2003-05-23  7:27                                                                                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-05-23 21:21                                                                                                             ` Robert A Duff
2003-05-24  7:33                                                                                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-05-25  5:50                                                                                                             ` Hyman Rosen
2003-05-25  9:13                                                                                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-05-25 20:46                                                                                                               ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-05-23 14:28                                                                                                           ` Quality systems (Was: Using Ada for device drivers? (Was: theAda " Robert C. Leif
2003-05-25 15:38                                                                                                             ` Quality systems (Was: Using Ada for device drivers? (Was: theAdamandate, " Tarjei T. Jensen
2003-05-20 20:59                                                                                                     ` Quality systems (Was: Using Ada for device drivers? (Was: the Ada mandate, " tmoran
2003-05-21 15:11                                                                                                       ` Robert A Duff
2003-05-21 15:47                                                                                                         ` Quality systems Peter Hermann
2003-05-21 16:24                                                                                                         ` Quality systems (Was: Using Ada for device drivers? (Was: the Ada mandate, and why it collapsed and died)) tmoran
2003-05-21 11:42                                                                                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-05-21 15:29                                                                                                       ` Robert A Duff
2003-05-22  7:29                                                                                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-05-22 12:27                                                                                                           ` Quality systems Peter Hermann
2003-05-22 17:21                                                                                                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-05-21 18:28                                                                                                       ` Quality systems (Was: Using Ada for device drivers? (Was: the Ada mandate, and why it collapsed and died)) John R. Strohm
2003-05-22  7:09                                                                                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-05-28 11:35                                                                                                     ` Quality systems (Was: Using Ada for device drivers? (Was: the Larry Kilgallen
     [not found]                                                                                                     ` <badvd5$raumj$1@ID-175126.newOrganization: LJK Software <QImmYdcyN2$d@eisner.encompasserve.org>
2003-05-28 12:29                                                                                                       ` Marin David Condic
2003-05-30 10:09                                                                                                     ` Quality systems (Was: Using Ada for device drivers? (Was: the Ada mandate, and why it collapsed and died)) Larry Kilgallen
2003-05-20  3:03                                                                                                 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-05-23  6:21                                                                                                 ` Quality systems (Was: Using Ada for device drivers? (Was: theAda " Richard Riehle
2003-05-19  7:57                                                                                         ` Quality systems (Was: Using Ada for device drivers? (Was: the Ada " Preben Randhol
2003-05-19 19:04                                                                                         ` Overflow checking in GNAT (Was: Quality systems) Jacob Sparre Andersen
2003-05-16 12:25                                                                               ` Quality systems (Was: Using Ada for device drivers? (Was: the Ada mandate, and why it collapsed and died)) Marc A. Criley
2003-05-16 13:21                                                                                 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-05-16 19:07                                                                                   ` Dr Chaos
2003-05-19  7:35                                                                                   ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2003-05-19  7:39                                                                                     ` Hyman Rosen
2003-05-19  8:46                                                                                       ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2003-05-19 14:01                                                                                         ` Hyman Rosen
2003-05-19 20:38                                                                                           ` Dr Chaos
2003-05-20  7:51                                                                                           ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2003-05-20  5:52                                                                                         ` The Ghost In The Machine
2003-05-20 13:18                                                                                           ` Hyman Rosen
2003-05-21 13:57                                                                                             ` The Ghost In The Machine
2003-05-21 14:22                                                                                               ` Hyman Rosen
2003-05-23  5:18                                                                                                 ` The Ghost In The Machine
2003-05-25  5:54                                                                                                   ` Hyman Rosen
2003-05-25  6:28                                                                                                     ` Dale Stanbrough
2003-05-25  6:35                                                                                                       ` Hyman Rosen
2003-05-16 18:14                                                                                 ` Wesley Groleau
2003-05-19 14:43                                                                                 ` Quality systems (Was: Using Ada for device drivers? (Was: the Larry Kilgallen
2003-05-19 15:04                                                                                   ` Hyman Rosen
2003-05-13 14:43                                                                         ` Quality systems (Was: Using Ada for device drivers? (Was: the Ada mandate, and why it collapsed and died)) soft-eng
2003-05-13 21:01                                                                           ` Wesley Groleau
2003-05-14 12:36                                                                             ` soft-eng
2003-05-15 13:55                                                                               ` Graham Perkins
2003-05-16 12:40                                                                                 ` soft-eng
2003-05-16 14:59                                                                                   ` Tom Welsh
2003-05-16 15:52                                                                                   ` Preben Randhol
2003-05-17 14:34                                                                                     ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2003-05-17 16:59                                                                                       ` Preben Randhol
2003-05-17 18:01                                                                                         ` WinGuru
2003-05-17 18:08                                                                                           ` Preben Randhol
2003-05-17 21:58                                                                                           ` AG
2003-05-18  8:12                                                                                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-05-18  7:50                                                                                         ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2003-05-18  9:07                                                                                           ` Preben Randhol
2003-05-18  9:10                                                                                             ` Preben Randhol
2003-05-18  9:27                                                                                             ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2003-05-18  9:56                                                                                               ` Preben Randhol
2003-05-18 13:39                                                                                               ` Marin David Condic
2003-05-22 10:16                                                                                                 ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2003-05-22 11:43                                                                                                   ` Marin David Condic
2003-05-22 11:50                                                                                                     ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-05-22 12:52                                                                                                     ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-05-18  0:52                                                                                       ` tmoran
2003-05-18  7:54                                                                                         ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2003-05-18  9:04                                                                                           ` Preben Randhol
2003-05-18  9:25                                                                                             ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2003-05-18  9:55                                                                                               ` Preben Randhol
2003-05-18 10:50                                                                                                 ` Pascal Obry
2003-05-19  7:52                                                                                                   ` Preben Randhol
2003-05-18 10:16                                                                                               ` Dale Stanbrough
2003-05-18 11:06                                                                                                 ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2003-05-18 11:10                                                                                                   ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2003-05-18 11:37                                                                                                     ` Dale Stanbrough
2003-05-19  7:50                                                                                                       ` Preben Randhol
2003-05-19  8:23                                                                                                         ` Dale Stanbrough
2003-05-19 15:12                                                                                                         ` Wesley Groleau
2003-05-18 11:41                                                                                                     ` Dale Stanbrough
2003-05-19  7:47                                                                                                   ` Preben Randhol
2003-05-19 15:11                                                                                                     ` [off-topic] fruit inspection Wesley Groleau
2003-05-19 19:00                                                                                                       ` Preben Randhol
2003-05-22 11:00                                                                                 ` Quality systems (Was: Using Ada for device drivers? (Was: the Ada mandate, and why it collapsed and died)) Larry Kilgallen
     [not found]                                                                                 ` <9fa75d42.0305160440.7846d1Organization: LJK Software <bNuxBNMk4BSq@eisner.encompasserve.org>
2003-05-22 13:12                                                                                   ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2003-05-22 14:17                                                                                 ` Larry Kilgallen
     [not found]                                                                             ` <9fa75d42.0305140436.5 <ba067m$iph$1@south.jnrs.ja.net>
2003-05-15 14:18                                                                               ` Roy Smith
2003-05-15 16:44                                                                                 ` Quality systems Dave Aronson
2003-05-16  0:40                                                                                   ` Willard Thompson
2003-05-13 14:48                                                                         ` Quality systems (Was: Using Ada for device drivers? (Was: the Ada mandate, and why it collapsed and died)) Willard Thompson
2003-05-13 16:03                                                                     ` Kaz Kylheku
2003-05-09 16:23                                                             ` Using Ada for device drivers? (Was: the Ada mandate, and why it collapsed and died) Wesley Groleau
2003-05-09 18:52                                                             ` Jim Rogers
2003-05-12  0:47                                                               ` Dave Thompson
2003-05-14  3:25                                                                 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-05-14  5:19                                                                   ` Preben Randhol
2003-05-22  6:30                                                                   ` Dave Thompson
2003-05-09 19:27                                                             ` Marc A. Criley
2003-05-10 14:09                                                               ` Marin David Condic
2003-05-10 17:37                                                                 ` soft-eng
2003-05-10 18:00                                                                   ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-05-09 22:32                                                             ` Gautier
2003-05-01 19:29                                                     ` Gautier
2003-05-09 13:36                                                       ` soft-eng
2003-05-09 16:14                                                         ` John R. Strohm
2003-05-09 17:46                                                         ` soft-eng
2003-05-10  8:40                                                           ` Preben Randhol
2003-05-10  8:30                                                         ` Preben Randhol
2003-05-10 17:35                                                           ` soft-eng
2003-05-12  8:16                                                             ` Preben Randhol
2003-05-01 19:44                                                     ` Dr Chaos
2003-05-02 12:29                                                     ` Marin David Condic
2003-05-09 17:37                                                       ` soft-eng
2003-05-10  6:56                                                         ` Tom Welsh
2003-05-10 14:51                                                           ` Marin David Condic
2003-05-10 17:27                                                           ` soft-eng
2003-05-11  1:36                                                             ` John R. Strohm
2003-05-11 22:13                                                             ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-05-12 13:51                                                               ` soft-eng
2003-05-13 12:12                                                                 ` Using Ada for device drivers? Georg Bauhaus
2003-05-15  1:32                                                                   ` soft-eng
2003-05-15 17:54                                                                     ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-05-10 14:36                                                         ` Using Ada for device drivers? (Was: the Ada mandate, and why it collapsed and died) Marin David Condic
2003-05-02 18:21                                                 ` Using Ada for device drivers? Georg Bauhaus
2003-05-02 18:37                                                   ` Robert A Duff
2003-05-04 18:33                                                   ` Hyman Rosen
2003-05-05 12:30                                                     ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-05-05 13:12                                                       ` Hyman Rosen
2003-05-06 14:47                                                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-05-06 17:37                                                           ` Hyman Rosen
2003-05-06 21:02                                                             ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-05-06  9:15                                                     ` Peter Hermann
2003-05-06 19:40                                                     ` Jim Rogers
2003-05-06 20:13                                                       ` Hyman Rosen
2003-05-06 20:13                                                     ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-04-24 13:05                                       ` the Ada mandate, and why it collapsed and died (was): 64 bit addressing and OOP Larry Kilgallen
2003-04-24 13:33                                       ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-04-24 14:09                                       ` John R. Strohm
2003-04-24 20:37                                       ` Kaz Kylheku
2003-05-01  1:32                                       ` Adam Ruth
2003-04-23 18:31                                   ` Simon Wright
2003-04-23 18:40                                   ` Samuel Tardieu
2003-04-22 19:33                             ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-04-23  4:28                             ` Larry Kilgallen
     [not found]                             ` <9fa75d42.0304221126.7112b7d5@posting.gOrganization: LJK Software <d3xFAUvBYizb@eisner.encompasserve.org>
2003-04-22 21:50                               ` Robert A Duff
2003-04-23  0:01                                 ` Dale Stanbrough
2003-04-26 14:44                                   ` soft-eng
2003-04-27  4:55                                     ` Steve
2003-04-27 21:48                                       ` [off-topic] electronic mismatch Wesley Groleau
2003-04-23 13:15                               ` the Ada mandate, and why it collapsed and died (was): 64 bit addressing and OOP soft-eng
2003-04-23 18:40                                 ` Dr Chaos
2003-05-01  1:39                                 ` Adam Ruth
2003-04-23 13:54                               ` Larry Kilgallen
     [not found]                               ` <9fa75d42.030423Organization: LJK Software <kKoVGF55fYtj@eisner.encompasserve.org>
2003-04-23 15:47                                 ` H. S. Lahman
2003-04-25 19:38                                 ` soft-eng
2003-04-23 16:24                             ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-04-25  0:15                               ` Richard Riehle
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