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From: "Warren W. Gay VE3WWG" <ve3wwg@cogeco.ca>
Subject: Re: Why is Ada NOT a good choice for a beginner to programming?
Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 12:41:27 -0500
Date: 2003-01-08T12:41:27-05:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3E1C62C7.5070005@cogeco.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: cghp1vsnk37dnsviefsvmkdtjndqnumeu9@4ax.com

faust wrote:
>  "Jeffrey Creem" <jeff@thecreems.com> ,  emitted these fragments:
>>are more worried about picking the winner so they can be "right" then they
>>are about applying critical thinking and making an intellegent selection.
> 
> Since to many, languages are tools that they use in their professional
> lives, being "right" can be important.

Being "right" means being able to deliver, be on time, be reliable
and be able to maintain the result. Usually management will listen to
talented thinking and if you push your viewpoint, being right may
in fact mean doing "the real right thing".

However, if you must work within the confines of a larger team, where
your viewpoint is not shared WRT Ada (which seems rather common),
then unless you are top dog, or have convincing arguments for both
management and your team, you are correct in that the "right" thing
becomes muddied with politics (I will refuse to call it the "right
thing" however ;-)

> On the other hand, if you are a hobbyist , an academic or a government
> contractor, well you can ignore the market place.

I agree with Ted (in a separate post), that it is probably wise
to ignore the market popularity WRT tools. You need to look
at the life cycle of your product and then evaluate if a
waning market may influence your ability to provide support.
To base a new 20-year product on a trendy new tool, is for
example, not wise.

Someone last year (Ted?) was discussing the problem of providing
replacement motherboards for Navy ships, running military apps
on NT (I think it was). Imagine trying to buy the same thoroughly
tested 486 MBs today? Software support is not much different.

-- 
Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
http://home.cogeco.ca/~ve3wwg




  parent reply	other threads:[~2003-01-08 17:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 119+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-12-21  3:30 Why is Ada NOT a good choice for a beginner to programming? David Wright
2002-12-21  5:44 ` sk
2002-12-23 14:29   ` Wes Groleau
2002-12-23 17:36     ` sk
2002-12-23 18:24       ` David Wright
2002-12-23 19:16         ` sk
2002-12-23 19:48           ` David Wright
2002-12-23 21:33             ` Wes Groleau
2002-12-23 21:17           ` Robert A Duff
2002-12-24 19:22             ` faust
2002-12-24  0:46               ` Robert A Duff
2002-12-24  9:41                 ` Pascal Obry
2002-12-25  4:43                 ` faust
2002-12-27 17:54                   ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-01-02 13:50                     ` Wes Groleau
2002-12-25  7:24                 ` AG
2003-01-02  9:56                   ` John McCabe
2003-01-02 13:47                 ` Wes Groleau
2003-01-08 19:39                   ` faust
2003-01-08  2:44                     ` Jeffrey Creem
2003-01-08 18:54                       ` Wes Groleau
2003-01-08 19:48                         ` chris.danx
2003-01-08 21:59                           ` Wes Groleau
2003-01-09 15:31                             ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-01-10  3:26                               ` Hyman Rosen
2003-01-10 22:58                                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-01-10  3:51                               ` Kevin Cline
2003-01-10 13:29                               ` Wes Groleau
2003-01-11 12:09                               ` Richard Riehle
2003-01-11 18:13                                 ` Wes Groleau
2003-01-09 16:52                           ` faust
2003-01-08 21:57                             ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-01-09  0:59                       ` faust
2003-01-09  0:59                       ` faust
2003-01-08 13:14                         ` Ted Dennison
2003-01-08 17:41                         ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG [this message]
2003-01-09 16:40                           ` faust
2003-01-08 21:58                             ` Vinzent Hoefler
2002-12-23 21:30         ` Wes Groleau
2002-12-23 22:11           ` David Wright
2002-12-30 16:22         ` Mark
2002-12-24  0:50     ` Craig Carey
2002-12-29 14:44       ` Colin Paul Gloster
2002-12-21  8:39 ` arvids lemchens
2002-12-21  8:53 ` Gautier
2002-12-21  9:42 ` Craig Carey
2002-12-21 10:44 ` Dale Stanbrough
2002-12-21 15:47   ` Alfred Hilscher
2002-12-21 19:01     ` tmoran
2002-12-22  1:06       ` Robert C. Leif
2002-12-23 14:56         ` Wes Groleau
2002-12-23 11:05       ` Alfred Hilscher
2002-12-22  0:34     ` James S. Rogers
2002-12-23 11:11       ` Alfred Hilscher
2002-12-23 14:32         ` Wes Groleau
2002-12-23 19:54         ` tmoran
2002-12-21 10:51 ` Why is Ada a good choice for an ambitious beginner to programming Wojtek Narczynski
2002-12-22 14:40   ` Bill Findlay
2002-12-22 15:08     ` Bill Findlay
2002-12-22 23:02       ` David Wright
2002-12-23  1:36         ` Bill Findlay
2002-12-23  2:13           ` David Wright
2002-12-23 14:40           ` Wes Groleau
2002-12-27 21:25             ` Randy Brukardt
2002-12-23 11:52     ` Wojtek Narczynski
2002-12-23 14:12       ` Bill Findlay
2002-12-23 20:15         ` Wojtek Narczynski
2002-12-24 19:29           ` Bill Findlay
2002-12-24 22:56             ` Wojtek Narczynski
2002-12-24 23:31               ` Bill Findlay
2002-12-24 23:36               ` Adrian Knoth
2002-12-25  8:23             ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-27 17:27               ` Kevin Cline
2002-12-28  1:56                 ` Bill Findlay
2002-12-28  2:13                   ` Bill Findlay
2002-12-29  6:07                   ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-23 20:52         ` Wojtek Narczynski
2002-12-23 20:07     ` chris.danx
2003-01-02 10:04     ` John McCabe
2003-01-02 21:32       ` Bill Findlay
2003-01-04 22:55         ` David Wright
2003-01-05  0:50           ` Bill Findlay
2003-01-05  2:18             ` David Wright
2003-01-05  3:57               ` John R. Strohm
2003-01-10  2:51                 ` Richard Riehle
2003-01-10  9:45                   ` David Wright
2003-01-10 10:59                     ` Richard Riehle
2003-01-11 17:47                     ` u.r. faust
2003-01-06  9:43               ` John McCabe
2003-01-06 10:05         ` John McCabe
2003-01-06 11:13           ` Bill Findlay
2003-01-10  2:58           ` Richard Riehle
2003-01-10  9:29             ` John McCabe
2002-12-21 11:57 ` Why is Ada NOT a good choice for a beginner to programming? David Marceau
2002-12-21 15:59 ` Alfred Hilscher
2002-12-21 17:48 ` Britt Snodgrass
2002-12-21 20:05 ` Peter Hend�n
2002-12-22  1:54 ` faust
2002-12-22  1:28   ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-22  2:11     ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-12-22 22:49     ` faust
     [not found] ` <u7m2ua.qk3.ln@beastie.ix.netcom.com>
2002-12-23 14:55   ` Wes Groleau
2002-12-24 14:01 ` W D Tate
2002-12-24 20:06   ` Rod Haper
2002-12-25  0:37   ` noone
2002-12-26 13:23     ` W D Tate
2002-12-26 20:37       ` David Starner
2002-12-27 14:02         ` W D Tate
2003-01-13 12:18 ` John English
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-12-21 15:47 Alexandre E. Kopilovitch
2002-12-23 14:48 ` Wes Groleau
2003-01-10  6:38 Grein, Christoph
2003-01-10  8:21 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-01-10 15:51 ` Kevin Cline
2003-01-10 19:00 ` Kevin Cline
2003-01-10  8:35 Grein, Christoph
2003-01-10  9:26 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-01-13 16:49 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-01-13  6:13 Grein, Christoph
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