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From: "Warren W. Gay VE3WWG" <ve3wwg@cogeco.ca>
Subject: Re: Anybody in US using ADA ? One silly idea..
Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 13:13:54 -0500
Date: 2003-01-03T13:13:54-05:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3E15D2E2.9040807@cogeco.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: av2trp$n65$1@slb3.atl.mindspring.net

Marin David Condic wrote:
> It might not hurt to start over again with a new name and a new language
> that patterned itself on Ada - just to get away from the negative
> impressions and bad press. But if all we've got is another language, it
> won't do any better. It has to offer the developer something he can't get
> elsewhere and it has to address a real need that's not being satisfied. I
> think "Reliability" etc. are all good points, but any language or language
> revision needs to consider what will help get it adopted by a larger crowd -
> and "Reliability" just isn't cutting it.
> 
> MDC

While I just finished harping on library/binding support in an earlier
post in reply to you, I just realized something reading this reply. Java
has had (at least initially) the same binding/library challenges that
Ada95 has in the current general purpose world. Yet everyone and their
grandmother has come out with bindings to databases etc. to make Java
work within an application framework with great enthusiasm.

Q. So why is the enthusiasm so different for Ada, than it is/has been
    for Java?

The overwhelming difference (I think) is simply that Java is new and is
seen as (or was) "cutting edge". Ada is seen simply as "old and big".

You don't find Borland (for example) thrilled about selling support
for Ada, but they might be enthused over selling Java support.

Could there be more substance to the "new" suggestion after all?

Maybe the Ada way must distance itself from:

   - the Military association
   - the US assocation(?)
   - the committee association
   - the being "old" asociation
   - the being "big and clumsy" association

and maybe it just needs to be resold as :

   - the latest new computer science theory of "reliable computing"
     (even though the solution was well understood in ages past ;-)

Just like in science where the theory is often not well accepted
until the author of it passes away, we may need to have Ada
reborn to have it gain acceptance.  ;-)

-- 
Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
http://home.cogeco.ca/~ve3wwg




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Thread overview: 341+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-12-31 18:37 Anybody in US using ADA ? Mr Bill
2002-12-31 18:55 ` John R. Strohm
2003-01-01  3:20   ` Marin David Condic
2003-01-01  7:11     ` tmoran
2003-01-01 14:31       ` Marin David Condic
2003-01-01 22:49         ` tmoran
2003-01-02 12:45           ` Marin David Condic
2003-01-02 18:08             ` Anybody in US using ADA ? New language competition? Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-01-03  2:47               ` Marin David Condic
2003-01-03  6:01                 ` Robert C. Leif
2003-01-03 17:58                 ` Anybody in US using ADA ? New language competition? (long) Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-01-04 14:57                   ` Marin David Condic
2003-01-06 15:53                     ` Wes Groleau
2003-01-06 16:36                       ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-01-06 20:47                       ` Randy Brukardt
2003-01-07 13:15                         ` Wes Groleau
2003-01-07 19:05                           ` Randy Brukardt
2003-01-07 19:37                             ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-01-07 20:52                             ` Wes Groleau
2003-01-08 20:05                               ` Randy Brukardt
2003-01-07 21:23                             ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-01-08  0:30                             ` Richard Riehle
2003-01-08 20:12                               ` Randy Brukardt
2003-01-07 13:11                       ` Marin David Condic
2003-01-06 18:22                     ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-01-06 20:52                       ` Randy Brukardt
2003-01-07 13:56                         ` Marin David Condic
2003-01-07 19:15                           ` Randy Brukardt
2003-01-08 13:14                             ` Marin David Condic
2003-01-08 18:04                               ` tmoran
2003-01-08 18:05                               ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-01-08 20:20                                 ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-01-09 13:21                                 ` Marin David Condic
2003-01-08 20:24                               ` Randy Brukardt
2003-01-09 13:34                                 ` Marin David Condic
2003-01-07 13:50                       ` Marin David Condic
2003-01-07 17:48                         ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-01-08 13:34                           ` Marin David Condic
2003-01-08 18:04                             ` tmoran
2003-01-08 18:16                             ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-01-09 13:22                         ` chris.danx
2003-01-09 13:53                           ` Marin David Condic
2003-01-09 15:09                           ` Raster graphics [was Anybody in US using ADA ? New language competition? (long)] Chad R. Meiners
2003-01-11 19:23                             ` chris.danx
2003-01-03  9:57             ` Anybody in US using ADA ? Kevin Cline
2003-01-03 12:37               ` Marin David Condic
2003-01-03 15:32                 ` Anybody in US using ADA ? | for interrest Mark
2003-01-09  0:59                 ` Anybody in US using ADA ? faust
2003-01-08 12:53                   ` Marin David Condic
2003-01-05 17:04           ` Adrian Hoe
2003-01-06 20:06             ` Randy Brukardt
2003-01-07  2:07             ` Jeffrey Creem
2003-01-07  3:22               ` Jeffrey Creem
2003-01-05 17:06         ` Adrian Hoe
2003-01-02  3:05       ` faust
2003-01-02  3:07       ` faust
2003-01-02 22:09       ` Robert C. Leif
2003-01-02 17:57     ` Anybody in US using ADA ? One silly idea Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-01-02 18:29       ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-01-02 22:02         ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-01-02 20:36       ` Bill Findlay
     [not found]         ` <ujn2va.go3.ln@beastie.ix.netcom.com>
2003-01-03  1:44           ` Bill Findlay
2003-01-09  2:21           ` faust
2003-01-03  2:56         ` Marin David Condic
2003-01-03  4:11           ` sk
2003-01-03  4:43           ` Bill Findlay
2003-01-03  6:01             ` Robert C. Leif
2003-01-07 17:47               ` Kevin Cline
2003-01-07 19:49                 ` tmoran
2003-01-09  5:15                   ` Kevin Cline
2003-01-03 13:16             ` Marin David Condic
2003-01-03 18:28               ` Bill Findlay
2003-01-04 15:17                 ` Marin David Condic
2003-01-09 16:36                 ` faust
     [not found]                   ` <roliva.8b4.ln@beastie.ix.netcom.com>
2003-01-09  4:32                     ` Hyman Rosen
2003-01-03 20:07               ` tmoran
2003-01-03 23:06                 ` Martin Dowie
2003-01-09 16:22                   ` faust
2003-01-04  7:07                 ` Robert C. Leif
2003-01-04 17:49                   ` Steve
2003-01-05  3:07                     ` Robert C. Leif
2003-01-07 12:38               ` Richard Riehle
2003-01-09 16:36                 ` faust
2003-01-09 16:37                 ` Harness your own creativity to Ada (Re: Anybody in US using ADA ? One silly idea..) faust
2003-01-03  9:24         ` Anybody in US using ADA ? One silly idea Kevin Cline
2003-01-03 10:11           ` John R. Strohm
2003-01-03 13:23             ` Marin David Condic
2003-01-03 18:40               ` John R. Strohm
2003-01-04  9:05                 ` Kevin Cline
2003-01-04 16:34                   ` John R. Strohm
2003-01-03 19:40             ` Kevin Cline
2003-01-03 22:34           ` Ted Dennison
2003-01-04  8:53             ` Kevin Cline
2003-01-04 11:48               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-01-04 18:15                 ` Robert A Duff
2003-01-04 20:18                 ` Hillel Y. Sims
2003-01-05 14:13                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-01-05 15:45                     ` James S. Rogers
2003-01-06 14:13                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-01-06  1:20                     ` Hillel Y. Sims
2003-01-06 14:14                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-01-06 19:07                         ` Randy Brukardt
2003-01-07 12:33                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-01-08  4:24                             ` Hyman Rosen
2003-01-08 13:55                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-01-08 18:43                                 ` Wes Groleau
2003-01-08 21:54                                 ` Ted Dennison
2003-01-09  5:05                                 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-01-06  1:37                     ` Robert C. Leif
2003-01-06 14:13                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-01-06 19:13                         ` Pascal Obry
2003-01-07 12:02                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-01-07  3:00                         ` Hyman Rosen
2003-01-07 12:10                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-01-08  3:41                             ` Hyman Rosen
2003-01-08 13:19                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-01-09  4:23                                 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-01-10 13:51                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-01-13 17:05                                     ` Hyman Rosen
2003-01-15 17:04                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-01-15 17:23                                         ` Hyman Rosen
2003-01-15 18:19                                           ` Bill Findlay
2003-01-15 19:02                                             ` Hyman Rosen
2003-01-15 19:11                                               ` Bill Findlay
2003-01-15 22:51                                                 ` chris.danx
2003-01-15 23:39                                                   ` Bill Findlay
2003-01-15 23:57                                                     ` chris.danx
2003-01-16  0:32                                                       ` Bill Findlay
2003-01-16  5:23                                                         ` Richard Riehle
2003-01-16 16:33                                                           ` One sillier idea Wes Groleau
2003-01-16 17:17                                                             ` sk
2003-01-16 17:11                                                           ` Anybody in US using ADA ? One silly idea Hyman Rosen
2003-01-16 17:50                                                             ` Richard Riehle
2003-01-16 17:57                                                             ` Frank J. Lhota
2003-01-16 18:26                                                               ` Wes Groleau
2003-01-17  8:27                                                                 ` Anders Wirzenius
     [not found]                                                                 ` <h0770b.5e3.ln@beastie.ix.netcom.com>
2003-01-17 17:32                                                                   ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-01-17 17:31                                                               ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-01-16  0:19                                             ` Richard Riehle
2003-01-16  0:16                                               ` chris.danx
2003-01-16  0:46                                                 ` Bill Findlay
2003-01-16  1:19                                                 ` Jeffrey Carter
2003-01-16  2:44                                                 ` Richard Riehle
2003-01-16  0:24                                               ` Bill Findlay
2003-01-16 10:34                                                 ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2003-01-16 18:20                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-01-16 18:59                                             ` Hyman Rosen
2003-01-17  4:09                                               ` Richard Riehle
2003-01-17 14:36                                                 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-01-17 16:28                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-01-17 17:23                                                 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-01-17 19:02                                                   ` Richard Riehle
2003-01-17 20:02                                                     ` Hyman Rosen
2003-01-25  1:40                                                       ` Richard Riehle
2003-01-26  4:57                                                         ` Hyman Rosen
2003-01-18 12:31                                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-01-18 22:53                                                     ` Hillel Y. Sims
2003-01-19  6:18                                                       ` Kevin Cline
2003-01-19 12:34                                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-01-21  2:10                                                         ` Hillel Y. Sims
2003-01-21  9:25                                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-01-21 18:55                                                             ` Kevin Cline
2003-01-23 11:00                                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-01-23 16:27                                                                 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-01-25 11:53                                                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-01-26  6:32                                                                     ` Hyman Rosen
2003-01-27 10:11                                                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-01-27 15:08                                                                         ` Hyman Rosen
2003-01-28  8:27                                                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-01-28 15:48                                                                             ` Kevin Cline
2003-01-28 16:29                                                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-01-28 17:14                                                                                 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-01-29  8:28                                                                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-01-28 17:11                                                                             ` Hyman Rosen
2003-01-29  8:37                                                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-01-29 15:44                                                                                 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-01-29 21:34                                                                                   ` Mark Biggar
2003-01-29 22:54                                                                                     ` Hyman Rosen
2003-01-30  9:03                                                                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-01-30 14:59                                                                                         ` Hyman Rosen
2003-01-30 16:32                                                                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-01-30 17:58                                                                                             ` Hyman Rosen
2003-01-31  8:31                                                                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-01-31 15:02                                                                                                 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-01-31 16:12                                                                                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-01-31 17:11                                                                                                     ` Hyman Rosen
2003-02-03  9:59                                                                                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-02-03 13:26                                                                                                         ` Hyman Rosen
2003-02-03 16:12                                                                                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-02-03 17:00                                                                                                             ` Hyman Rosen
2003-02-04  9:54                                                                                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-02-04 14:50                                                                                                                 ` Colin Paul Gloster
2003-02-04 15:56                                                                                                                 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-02-05 12:53                                                                                                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-02-05 15:22                                                                                                                     ` Hyman Rosen
2003-02-05  7:02                                                                                                                 ` Amir Yantimirov
     [not found]                                                                                                             ` <en04h-1k4.ln1@beastie.ix.netcom.com>
2003-02-04  9:48                                                                                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-02-04 10:10                                                                                                             ` Colin Paul Gloster
2003-02-04 13:12                                                                                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-02-04 14:33                                                                                                                 ` Colin Paul Gloster
2003-02-04 15:22                                                                                                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-02-04 16:47                                                                                                                     ` Hyman Rosen
2003-02-04 15:10                                                                                                                 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-02-05 12:53                                                                                                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-02-05 15:35                                                                                                                     ` Hyman Rosen
2003-02-04  7:04                                                                                                     ` AG
2003-02-03 12:34                                                                                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-02-05  4:38                                                                                                         ` AG
2003-02-04 10:08                                                                                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-01-30  8:09                                                                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-01-30 15:01                                                                                     ` Hyman Rosen
2003-01-30 16:33                                                                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-01-30 17:12                                                                                         ` Stephen Leake
2003-01-31  8:51                                                                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-01-31 15:04                                                                                             ` Hyman Rosen
2003-01-30 18:01                                                                                         ` Hyman Rosen
2003-01-31  8:38                                                                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-01-31 15:11                                                                                             ` Hyman Rosen
2003-01-31 16:27                                                                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-01-31 17:25                                                                                                 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-02-03  9:59                                                                                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-02-03 13:11                                                                                                     ` Hyman Rosen
2003-02-03 14:40                                                                                                       ` Hyman Rosen
2003-02-04 10:11                                                                                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-02-04  6:34                                                                                                 ` AG
2003-02-03 12:58                                                                                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-01-27 16:04                                                                 ` Kevin Cline
2003-01-19  3:42                                                     ` Hyman Rosen
2003-01-19 12:34                                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-01-19 14:13                                                         ` Hyman Rosen
2003-01-20  8:43                                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-01-23 13:15                                                     ` please, please, please, Wes Groleau
2003-01-16 19:08                                             ` Anybody in US using ADA ? One silly idea Hyman Rosen
2003-01-17 16:28                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-01-17  4:03                                             ` Richard Riehle
2003-01-17 16:28                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-01-21  5:53                                                 ` Richard Riehle
2003-01-21  6:24                                                   ` tmoran
2003-01-16 19:09                                           ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-01-15 22:48                                         ` Robert A Duff
2003-01-16 18:20                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-01-25 16:05                                         ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-01-25 20:33                                           ` Richard Riehle
2003-01-27 13:29                                           ` Wes Groleau
2003-01-27 16:29                                           ` Hyman Rosen
2003-01-28 13:24                                             ` Robert A Duff
2003-01-28 17:16                                               ` Hyman Rosen
2003-01-28 18:44                                             ` Robert A Duff
2003-01-28 20:04                                               ` Hyman Rosen
2003-01-07 13:51                         ` Richard Riehle
2003-01-08  3:51                           ` Hyman Rosen
2003-01-06 16:33                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-01-06 16:23                     ` Wes Groleau
2003-01-06  4:20                 ` Kevin Cline
2003-01-06 14:16                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-01-06 16:08                   ` Wes Groleau
2003-01-06 17:26                     ` James S. Rogers
2003-01-07 13:36                       ` Wes Groleau
2003-01-07 18:40                       ` David C. Hoos
2003-01-07 21:29                         ` James S. Rogers
2003-01-07  3:14                     ` Hyman Rosen
2003-01-07 13:40                       ` Wes Groleau
2003-01-08  4:30                         ` Hyman Rosen
2003-01-04 18:04               ` Ted Dennison
2003-01-04 20:20                 ` Hillel Y. Sims
2003-01-05  2:47                   ` Ted Dennison
2003-01-05 23:58                     ` [OT] Mozilla filtering " chris.danx
2003-01-06  4:12                       ` Ted Dennison
2003-01-06 16:54                         ` chris.danx
2003-01-06 16:31                     ` [off-topic] spam-filters Wes Groleau
2003-01-06 19:23                       ` Randy Brukardt
2003-01-07  2:59                         ` Ted Dennison
2003-01-07 18:49                           ` Randy Brukardt
2003-01-07 20:38                             ` tmoran
2003-01-07 21:01                             ` Wes Groleau
2003-01-07  1:19                       ` Ted Dennison
2003-01-07 13:46                         ` Wes Groleau
2003-01-09 16:24                     ` Anybody in US using ADA ? One silly idea faust
2003-01-09 15:04                       ` Ted Dennison
2003-01-10 14:23                         ` faust
2003-01-11  5:44                           ` Ted Dennison
2003-01-11  5:48                             ` Ted Dennison
2003-01-06  4:39                 ` Kevin Cline
2003-01-06  9:49                   ` Ted Dennison
2003-01-03  0:07       ` Robert C. Leif
2003-01-03  2:51       ` Marin David Condic
2003-01-03 18:13         ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG [this message]
2003-01-04 15:30           ` Marin David Condic
2003-01-07 12:58         ` Richard Riehle
2003-01-08 19:46       ` Remarketing the language ( was Re: ....ADA ? One silly idea..) faust
2003-01-08 18:24         ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-01-08 18:42           ` Edi Weitz
2003-01-09 16:30           ` faust
2003-01-10  7:00             ` Fraser Wilson
2003-01-10  8:06               ` Geoffrey Summerhayes
2003-01-10 10:17                 ` Fraser Wilson
2003-01-02 18:29     ` Anybody in US using ADA ? Mike Silva
2003-01-03  0:41       ` David Emery
2003-01-03  6:44         ` Mike Silva
2003-01-03 10:16           ` John R. Strohm
2003-01-03 20:02             ` Mike Silva
2003-01-03 22:16               ` John R. Strohm
2003-01-04  8:31                 ` Mike Silva
2003-01-06 22:24   ` Richard Riehle
2003-01-06 23:45     ` Jerry van Dijk
2003-01-07 18:35     ` Mike Silva
2003-01-07 20:34       ` Jerry Petrey
2003-01-07 21:07         ` Dead Fred the Head Red
2003-01-09  2:14     ` faust
2003-01-09  2:15     ` C++ , ADA and the Joint Strike Fighter ( was Re: Anybody in US using ADA ?) faust
2003-01-08 13:21       ` Ted Dennison
2003-01-08 13:51         ` C++ , ADA and the Joint Strike Fighter ( was Re: Anybody in USusing " Marin David Condic
2003-01-08 21:42           ` Ted Dennison
2003-01-09 16:27           ` faust
2003-01-08 21:44             ` C++ , ADA and the Joint Strike Fighter Vinzent Hoefler
2003-01-10  7:58               ` faust
2003-01-09 14:34                 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-01-09 14:57                   ` C++ , ADA and the Joint Strike Fighter (Off-topic) Larry Kilgallen
2003-01-09 17:10                   ` C++ , ADA and the Joint Strike Fighter Pascal Obry
2003-01-10 14:18                   ` faust
2003-01-09 19:29                     ` C++ , ADA and the Joint Strike Fighter (Off-topic) Larry Kilgallen
2003-01-11 19:31                       ` chris.danx
2003-01-12 22:22                         ` u.r. faust
2003-01-12  9:07                           ` tmoran
2003-01-13  4:20                             ` u.r. faust
2003-01-13 13:25                           ` Marin David Condic
2003-01-11 22:10                     ` Larry Kilgallen
     [not found]                     ` <H01kDjtzy1$7@eisneOrganization: LJK Software <oK$dhQDJBSHL@eisner.encompasserve.org>
2003-01-12 22:23                       ` u.r. faust
2003-01-09 12:34             ` C++ , ADA and the Joint Strike Fighter ( was Re: Anybody in USusing ADA ?) Marin David Condic
2002-12-31 22:38 ` Anybody in US using ADA ? Britt Snodgrass
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2003-01-03  1:18 Anybody in US using ADA ? One silly idea Alexandre E. Kopilovitch
2003-01-16 11:10 Grein, Christoph
2003-01-16 16:13 ` Stephen Leake
2003-01-16 16:53 ` Victor Porton
2003-01-17  6:08 Grein, Christoph
2003-02-03 10:13 Grein, Christoph
2003-02-05  5:44 ` AG
2003-02-04 16:05   ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-02-04  9:13 Grein, Christoph
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