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From: "Warren W. Gay VE3WWG" <ve3wwg@cogeco.ca>
Subject: Re: Ada-inspired OS/Language
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 13:57:24 -0400
Date: 2002-08-20T13:57:24-04:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3D628304.3040506@cogeco.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: ajtih4$1dva3u$1@ID-151722.news.dfncis.de

Ryan wrote:
> An article on Slashdot reads
> (http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/08/18/2053259)
...
> "BRiX, unlike other modern operating systems, does not use hardware to 
> isolate and protect applications from each other. Instead, it uses a 
> single address space and relies on a safe-language to generate code that 
> will not access memory for which it does not own. 

Here we go again.. another DOS-like, memory wide open to corruption
concept. PC's eventually, with the help of 286 and later got to the
point where they could protect processes. Now we've regressed with
the palms etc., back to this no-protection model. No matter how good
the language is, there will always be occaisions where one process
steps on another unless it is prevented from doing so in hardware.

This is OK for research. Not good for running systems that must
run as firewalls, or central hosts to university students!

This model has been tried before BTW, with hardware protection
(each process just has system wide unique addresses for memory
objects). IIRC, one such system was called Opal.

This language also
> handles many checks at compile-time that would be performed at run-time 
> in other operating systems."
> 
> What effect might this have on the development of AdaOS?  Competition? 
> Inspiration?  It seems to have several of the same goals in mind.
> 
> Ryan

IMHO, I don't think it amounts to anything more than a research effort.
I can't see the world going to a less secure model (ie. no hardware
memory protection), after seeing all the fighting with the security
problems we already have in a more secure environment.

I think there is a vast amount of work that could be done in the
interest of a secure host O/S, that is [mostly?] immune to DOS
attacks that can be launched by guest university accounts, for
example.

-- 
Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
http://home.cogeco.ca/~ve3wwg




  parent reply	other threads:[~2002-08-20 17:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 96+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-08-20 14:10 Ada-inspired OS/Language Ryan
2002-08-20 14:34 ` Jim Rogers
2002-08-20 14:59 ` Darren New
2002-08-20 17:57 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG [this message]
2002-08-29 22:24   ` Nick Roberts
2002-08-30 13:33     ` Marin D. Condic
2002-08-31  3:38       ` Nick Roberts
2002-08-31 13:54         ` Marin David Condic
2002-09-04 16:47         ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2002-09-04 17:24         ` Darren New
2002-09-05  3:16           ` Nick Roberts
2002-09-05  8:41             ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-09-12  2:17             ` Rod Haper
2002-09-06 17:31     ` Richard Riehle
2002-09-07  0:23       ` Nick Roberts
2002-09-07 13:43         ` Marin David Condic
2002-09-07 15:18           ` Nick Roberts
2002-09-08 22:14           ` Robert C. Leif
2002-09-09 10:27             ` Advantage of XML based GUI? (was Re: Ada-inspired OS/Language) Preben Randhol
2002-09-09 14:27               ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-09-09 14:02                 ` Marin David Condic
2002-09-09 14:43                   ` Preben Randhol
2002-09-09 21:58                   ` Ryan Tarpine
2002-09-11 16:40                   ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2002-09-12 10:01                     ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-09-12 16:43                       ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2002-09-12 18:54                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-09-12 21:22                           ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2002-09-13 12:15                             ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-09-10  5:21                 ` Robert C. Leif
2002-09-10  5:21               ` Robert C. Leif
2002-09-10 12:31                 ` Preben Randhol
2002-09-10 13:16                   ` Marin David Condic
2002-09-15 19:49                     ` Christopher Browne
2002-09-10 22:32                   ` achrist
2002-09-11  4:45                     ` Christopher Browne
2002-09-11  5:59                       ` achrist
2002-09-12 14:55                         ` Christopher Browne
2002-09-11  2:28               ` Ted Dennison
2002-09-11 13:54                 ` Robert C. Leif
2002-09-11 14:06                   ` Programmer Dude
2002-09-11 19:48                 ` Nick Roberts
2002-09-12  8:02                   ` Preben Randhol
2002-09-12 14:27                     ` Chad R. Meiners
2002-09-18 17:49                       ` Andrew Berg
2002-09-18 23:13                         ` Chad R. Meiners
2002-09-12 16:12                     ` Nick Roberts
2002-09-12 16:45                       ` Preben Randhol
2002-09-12 17:03                         ` David C. Hoos
2002-09-13  7:57                           ` Preben Randhol
2002-09-13 19:55                             ` Nick Roberts
2002-09-14 12:59                               ` Marin David Condic
2002-09-16  5:20                                 ` Robert C. Leif
2002-09-16  8:16                                 ` Preben Randhol
2002-09-16 11:47                                   ` Marin David Condic
2002-09-16 12:08                                     ` Preben Randhol
2002-09-17 12:04                                       ` Marin David Condic
2002-09-12 18:57                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-09-13  8:01                           ` Preben Randhol
2002-09-13 12:23                             ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-09-13 15:32                               ` Preben Randhol
2002-09-13  1:53                         ` Nick Roberts
2002-09-13  8:24                           ` Preben Randhol
2002-09-13 19:55                             ` Nick Roberts
2002-09-14 15:42                               ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2002-09-14 16:19                                 ` Chad R. Meiners
2002-09-15  3:31                                   ` Nick Roberts
2002-09-15  5:50                           ` Mark Biggar
2002-09-15  8:38                             ` achrist
2002-09-15 21:54                               ` Nick Roberts
2002-09-16 15:26                                 ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-09-17  2:36                                   ` Nick Roberts
2002-09-17  4:07                                 ` Larry Kilgallen
     [not found]                                 ` <jHHM$fQsCilo@eisneOrganization: LJK Software <bNwUY4VpTlxs@eisner.encompasserve.org>
2002-09-17 22:05                                   ` Nick Roberts
2002-09-12 17:23                       ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-09-13  0:45                         ` Robert C. Leif
2002-09-13  8:10                           ` Preben Randhol
2002-09-13 17:44                             ` Robert C. Leif
2002-09-13  1:53                         ` Nick Roberts
2002-09-13  3:02                           ` Robert A Duff
2002-09-13 10:50                           ` David C. Hoos, Sr.
2002-09-13 17:00                           ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-09-13 19:55                             ` Nick Roberts
2002-09-12 20:36                       ` chris.danx
2002-09-13  1:53                         ` Nick Roberts
2002-09-13 12:14                       ` Marin David Condic
2002-09-13 15:29                         ` Robert A Duff
2002-09-13 17:02                           ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-09-14 12:49                             ` Marin David Condic
2002-09-16  8:14                               ` Preben Randhol
2002-09-16 11:56                                 ` Marin David Condic
2002-09-13 17:27                           ` Jeffrey Carter
2002-09-16  7:55                             ` Mats Karlssohn
2002-09-13 15:34                       ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2002-09-09 10:00           ` Ada-inspired OS/Language Peter Hermann
2002-08-30 23:56   ` Samuel Tardieu
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