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From: Mark Biggar <mark.a.biggar@attbi.com>
Subject: Re: status of Ada STL?
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 16:58:57 GMT
Date: 2002-06-21T16:58:57+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3D135A61.F0CDAE33@attbi.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 4006huok6mmo59d3lmkvqt3ffpccu0c2d6@4ax.com

"Dmitry A. Kazakov" wrote:
> 
> procedure '':=" (Target : in out A; Source : A); -- (*)
> 
> Note I do not demand that the copy constructor would be derived from
> ":=". It is IMO a wrong idea to attempt to derive one from another.
> C++ does it simplier. What is actually wrong in C++ is that the result
> of "=" is not void.
> 
> >Wouldn't it also fall apart if we started including "+:="?
> 
> No, they should be just user-defined procedures. Whether they are
> primitive or not should only depend on the freezing rules and whether
> particular parameters are class-wide.
> 
> (*)  There is a minor problem with unconstrained subtypes passed as
> inout and that discriminants cannot be changed.

There are other problems as well.  This was looked at in detail during
the Ada95 revision.  Allowing users to redefine ":=" using a procedure
definition like that above was determine to be way too course grained.
Do you expect your new assignment operation to compose for record or 
array types? What about variable initialization?  Or, the assign out
during procedure exit for out parameters?

This is way ada95 controlled types are tagged and break the assignment
process down into finer parts with Initialize, Adjust and Finalize
as user definable hooks into a larger assignment process.  This way
use defines the type specific parts of data movement and the compiler
is free to use them in various ways to move data around in ways the 
guarantees that the type's data abstractions are preserved. 

--
Mark Biggar
mark.a.biggar@attbi.com



  reply	other threads:[~2002-06-21 16:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 188+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-06-14  7:21 status of Ada STL? Russ
2002-06-14 16:29 ` Stephen Leake
2002-06-14 18:44 ` Ted Dennison
2002-06-14 20:34 ` Ehud Lamm
2002-06-15 18:52   ` Russ
2002-06-16  2:42     ` David Marceau
2002-06-16  8:07     ` Pascal Obry
2002-06-16 18:23       ` Russ
2002-06-16 19:01         ` Pascal Obry
2002-06-16 19:04         ` Vinzent Hoefler
2002-06-17  1:59           ` Jeffrey Carter
2002-06-17  6:48             ` Russ
2002-06-17  7:04               ` Dale Stanbrough
2002-06-18  6:16                 ` Russ
2002-06-19  1:07                   ` Dale Stanbrough
2002-06-17  9:38               ` chris.danx
2002-06-17 15:53               ` Ted Dennison
2002-06-18  7:52                 ` Russ
2002-06-18 10:57                   ` chris.danx
2002-06-18 14:38                   ` Robert A Duff
2002-06-18 16:19                     ` Brian Rogoff
2002-06-18 17:12                       ` Frank J. Lhota
2002-06-18 18:03                         ` Brian Rogoff
2002-06-18 19:24                           ` Frank J. Lhota
2002-06-18 19:41                             ` Brian Rogoff
2002-06-25  0:02                         ` Steven Deller
2002-06-25  1:24                           ` Yet another assignment variation (was Re: status of Ada STL?) Dale Stanbrough
2002-06-25 12:53                             ` Frank J. Lhota
2002-06-25 17:48                             ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-06-26  3:13                             ` Robert A Duff
2002-06-18 19:03                     ` status of Ada STL? Robert A Duff
2002-06-18 19:54                       ` Brian Rogoff
2002-06-18 21:09                         ` Robert A Duff
2002-06-18 23:36                           ` Brian Rogoff
2002-06-19  1:37                             ` Robert A Duff
2002-06-19 16:25                               ` Brian Rogoff
2002-06-19 18:53                                 ` Robert A Duff
2002-06-19 20:23                                   ` Brian Rogoff
2002-06-19  3:57                           ` Russ
2002-06-18 21:55                   ` Dmitry A.Kazakov
2002-06-19  5:32                     ` Russ
2002-06-19 12:37                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2002-06-20  6:50                         ` Russ
2002-06-20 12:21                           ` Ted Dennison
2002-06-20 21:42                           ` Dmitry A.Kazakov
2002-06-20 18:20                             ` Russ
2002-06-21 10:27                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2002-06-20 18:21                             ` Russ
2002-06-20 19:09                             ` Russ
2002-06-17 17:16               ` Pascal Obry
2002-06-18  5:27                 ` Russ
2002-06-17 17:17               ` Pascal Obry
2002-06-17 21:40             ` Vinzent Hoefler
2002-06-17  5:20           ` Russ
2002-06-17  8:22             ` chris.danx
2002-06-17 14:00               ` Frank J. Lhota
2002-06-17 15:57               ` Marin David Condic
2002-06-18  6:12               ` Russ
2002-06-18  8:16                 ` chris.danx
2002-06-18 14:52                   ` Robert A Duff
2002-06-18 16:02                     ` Pascal Obry
2002-06-18 16:54                       ` Hyman Rosen
2002-06-18 22:58                         ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2002-06-18 19:09                     ` Robert A Duff
     [not found]                     ` <ud6uolglz.fsf@w <wccsn3kxv3g.fsf@shell01.TheWorld.com>
2002-06-19  8:09                       ` Pascal Obry
2002-06-19  3:04                   ` Russ
2002-06-19 16:40                     ` Hyman Rosen
2002-06-19 18:07                       ` Brian Rogoff
2002-06-18  9:37                 ` Fraser Wilson
2002-06-18 15:45                   ` Hyman Rosen
2002-06-19 16:55                   ` Robert I. Eachus
2002-06-19 19:13                     ` Robert A Duff
2002-06-20  7:43                       ` Dmitry A.Kazakov
2002-06-22 22:05                       ` Robert I. Eachus
2002-06-17 21:40             ` Vinzent Hoefler
2002-06-18 15:05               ` Robert A Duff
2002-06-18 22:36                 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2002-06-19 12:45                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2002-06-19 14:35                     ` Marin David Condic
2002-06-21 11:03                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2002-06-21 16:58                         ` Mark Biggar [this message]
2002-06-22 23:23                           ` Dmitry A.Kazakov
2002-06-27  3:00                       ` David Thompson
2002-06-28 13:36                         ` Marin David Condic
2002-06-30  4:05                           ` Russ
2002-06-30 13:50                             ` Ted Dennison
2002-07-01 13:12                             ` Marin David Condic
2002-07-02 19:56                           ` Robert A Duff
     [not found]                           ` <bebbba07.0206292005.45ad915a@p <wcc4rfhj43l.fsf@shell01.TheWorld.com>
2002-07-02 20:40                             ` Pat Rogers
2002-06-18 15:21             ` Robert A Duff
2002-06-19  0:34               ` tmoran
2002-06-19  2:55               ` Russ
2002-06-19  4:53                 ` Ted Dennison
2002-06-19  8:21                 ` Pascal Obry
2002-06-19 14:52                 ` Stephen Leake
2002-06-20  1:45                 ` SteveD
2002-06-20  2:01                   ` Ted Dennison
2002-06-16 20:01         ` Pascal Obry
2002-06-17  5:29           ` Russ
2002-06-16 23:02         ` Ted Dennison
2002-06-17  5:07           ` Russ
2002-06-17 14:03             ` Frank J. Lhota
2002-06-17 14:11             ` Ted Dennison
2002-06-18  5:55               ` Russ
2002-06-18 14:30                 ` Ted Dennison
2002-06-18 15:14                   ` Marin David Condic
2002-06-19 14:19                     ` Ted Dennison
2002-06-19 16:05                       ` Marin David Condic
2002-06-19  5:58                   ` Russ
2002-06-19 14:35                     ` Ted Dennison
2002-06-20  7:06                       ` Russ
2002-06-20 12:27                         ` Ted Dennison
2002-06-20 23:22                           ` Russ
2002-06-21  2:00                             ` Ted Dennison
2002-06-22  4:28                               ` Russ
2002-06-22 15:05                                 ` Ted Dennison
2002-06-21  8:48                             ` Ian Wild
2002-06-22  4:54                             ` Russ
2002-06-20 22:47                   ` Russ
2002-06-21  0:43                     ` Ted Dennison
2002-06-22  4:05                       ` Russ
2002-06-22 14:41                         ` Jano
2002-06-22 20:27                         ` Ted Dennison
2002-06-21 13:12                     ` Marin David Condic
2002-06-24  8:29                       ` Russ
2002-06-24 20:19                         ` Chad R. Meiners
2002-06-18 22:36                 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2002-06-18 22:42                   ` Ed Falis
2002-06-19  0:07                     ` Vinzent Hoefler
2002-06-19  0:07                   ` Vinzent Hoefler
2002-06-17 22:37             ` Dmitry A.Kazakov
2002-06-17 14:09               ` Frank J. Lhota
2002-06-18 21:40                 ` Dmitry A.Kazakov
2002-06-18 16:04         ` Robert A Duff
2002-06-18 16:37           ` Pascal Obry
2002-06-18 18:56             ` Robert A Duff
2002-06-18 22:20               ` Pascal Obry
2002-06-19 12:53               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2002-06-19  3:37           ` Russ
2002-06-19  8:31             ` Pascal Obry
2002-06-20  7:58               ` Russ
2002-06-20 20:34                 ` Pascal Obry
2002-06-21  4:07                   ` Russ
2002-06-17 15:33     ` Marin David Condic
2002-06-18 10:28       ` Adrian Hoe
2002-06-19  7:58         ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2002-06-19 13:55           ` Marin David Condic
2002-06-19 13:52         ` Marin David Condic
2002-09-18 15:23           ` Matthew Heaney
2002-09-19 12:11             ` Marin David Condic
2002-09-19 14:13               ` Hyman Rosen
2002-09-20 12:24                 ` Marin David Condic
2002-09-22  7:22                   ` Kevin Cline
2002-09-23 13:55                     ` Hyman Rosen
2002-09-19 19:42               ` Randy Brukardt
2002-09-20 12:38                 ` Marin David Condic
2002-09-27 21:21                   ` Michael Bode
2002-09-27 22:11                     ` Pat Rogers
2002-09-28 13:25                       ` Marin David Condic
2002-09-28 14:52                         ` Pat Rogers
2002-09-28 15:18                           ` Martin Dowie
2002-09-29 18:02                           ` Marin David Condic
2002-09-29 19:02                             ` Jeffrey Carter
2002-09-30  1:36                               ` Marin David Condic
2002-10-02 22:17                     ` Matthew Heaney
2002-09-28 17:25                 ` Richard Riehle
2002-09-30 17:12                   ` Marin David Condic
2002-10-01 18:41                     ` Randy Brukardt
2002-10-02  8:38                       ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2002-10-02 12:43                         ` Marin David Condic
2002-10-02 14:26                           ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2002-10-02 12:30                       ` Marin David Condic
2002-06-18  1:56     ` SteveD
2002-06-18 14:12       ` Robert A Duff
2002-06-18 14:28         ` chris.danx
2002-06-18 15:59           ` Pascal Obry
2002-06-18 18:58           ` Robert A Duff
2002-06-18 19:58           ` Randy Brukardt
2002-06-19 14:07             ` Marin David Condic
2002-06-19  2:19         ` SteveD
2002-06-18 11:40     ` Colin Paul Gloster
2002-06-20 15:15       ` Colin Paul Gloster
2002-06-18 19:34     ` Mike Silva
2002-06-25 16:31     ` Kevin Cline
2002-06-14 20:34 ` Dan Andreatta
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-06-17 11:05 Grein, Christoph
2002-06-18  5:36 ` Russ
2002-06-26 10:50 Grein, Christoph
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