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From: Ted Dennison <dennison@telepath.com>
Subject: Re: status of Ada STL?
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 04:53:33 GMT
Date: 2002-06-19T04:53:33+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3D100E10.6030507@telepath.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: bebbba07.0206181855.5a80b2fd@posting.google.com

Russ wrote:
> The length of the symbol is one measure of complexity, but what
> bothers me even more than its length is that ":=" is just plain ugly.

Only because you aren't used to looking at it yet (and *are* used to 
looking at "="). To me, and probably most other Ada programmers, "=" in 
assignments looks ugly (which is one of the reasons why you are getting 
such an unexpected negative reaction).


> I'm a pretty good programmer in C++ and Python, and I'm trying to
> learn Ada too. I constantly forget to put in the colon and have to go
> back and put it in. It's a minor nuisance, yes, but a totally

And I have the same problem with C++, until I get my mind fully switched 
over. So what?


> himself, "Let's see, am I using Ada now, or am I using a language with
> standard syntax?"

{guffaw}

There is no such thing as "standard syntax" for programming languages. 
Fortran doesn't use either "=" or "==" for equality. Cobol, which is by 
far the most widely used language in existence, doesn't use symbols at 
all. Algol, Pascal, Modula-2, Modula-3, Eiffel, VHDL, Oberon, and 
Oberon-2 all use very similar notations to Ada. APL I believe uses an 
arrow for assignment, while J (an ASCII version of APL) uses "=:" and 
"=.". Lisp uses "set" for assignment and uses "=" only for numeric 
comparisons.

When learning a new programming language, you have to learn the syntax. 
Insisting its syntax is bad simply because it doesn't match one or two 
other languages you are used to using is the height of parrochialism.






  reply	other threads:[~2002-06-19  4:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 188+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-06-14  7:21 status of Ada STL? Russ
2002-06-14 16:29 ` Stephen Leake
2002-06-14 18:44 ` Ted Dennison
2002-06-14 20:34 ` Ehud Lamm
2002-06-15 18:52   ` Russ
2002-06-16  2:42     ` David Marceau
2002-06-16  8:07     ` Pascal Obry
2002-06-16 18:23       ` Russ
2002-06-16 19:01         ` Pascal Obry
2002-06-16 19:04         ` Vinzent Hoefler
2002-06-17  1:59           ` Jeffrey Carter
2002-06-17  6:48             ` Russ
2002-06-17  7:04               ` Dale Stanbrough
2002-06-18  6:16                 ` Russ
2002-06-19  1:07                   ` Dale Stanbrough
2002-06-17  9:38               ` chris.danx
2002-06-17 15:53               ` Ted Dennison
2002-06-18  7:52                 ` Russ
2002-06-18 10:57                   ` chris.danx
2002-06-18 14:38                   ` Robert A Duff
2002-06-18 16:19                     ` Brian Rogoff
2002-06-18 17:12                       ` Frank J. Lhota
2002-06-18 18:03                         ` Brian Rogoff
2002-06-18 19:24                           ` Frank J. Lhota
2002-06-18 19:41                             ` Brian Rogoff
2002-06-25  0:02                         ` Steven Deller
2002-06-25  1:24                           ` Yet another assignment variation (was Re: status of Ada STL?) Dale Stanbrough
2002-06-25 12:53                             ` Frank J. Lhota
2002-06-25 17:48                             ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-06-26  3:13                             ` Robert A Duff
2002-06-18 19:03                     ` status of Ada STL? Robert A Duff
2002-06-18 19:54                       ` Brian Rogoff
2002-06-18 21:09                         ` Robert A Duff
2002-06-18 23:36                           ` Brian Rogoff
2002-06-19  1:37                             ` Robert A Duff
2002-06-19 16:25                               ` Brian Rogoff
2002-06-19 18:53                                 ` Robert A Duff
2002-06-19 20:23                                   ` Brian Rogoff
2002-06-19  3:57                           ` Russ
2002-06-18 21:55                   ` Dmitry A.Kazakov
2002-06-19  5:32                     ` Russ
2002-06-19 12:37                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2002-06-20  6:50                         ` Russ
2002-06-20 12:21                           ` Ted Dennison
2002-06-20 21:42                           ` Dmitry A.Kazakov
2002-06-20 18:20                             ` Russ
2002-06-21 10:27                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2002-06-20 18:21                             ` Russ
2002-06-20 19:09                             ` Russ
2002-06-17 17:16               ` Pascal Obry
2002-06-18  5:27                 ` Russ
2002-06-17 17:17               ` Pascal Obry
2002-06-17 21:40             ` Vinzent Hoefler
2002-06-17  5:20           ` Russ
2002-06-17  8:22             ` chris.danx
2002-06-17 14:00               ` Frank J. Lhota
2002-06-17 15:57               ` Marin David Condic
2002-06-18  6:12               ` Russ
2002-06-18  8:16                 ` chris.danx
2002-06-18 14:52                   ` Robert A Duff
2002-06-18 16:02                     ` Pascal Obry
2002-06-18 16:54                       ` Hyman Rosen
2002-06-18 22:58                         ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2002-06-18 19:09                     ` Robert A Duff
     [not found]                     ` <ud6uolglz.fsf@w <wccsn3kxv3g.fsf@shell01.TheWorld.com>
2002-06-19  8:09                       ` Pascal Obry
2002-06-19  3:04                   ` Russ
2002-06-19 16:40                     ` Hyman Rosen
2002-06-19 18:07                       ` Brian Rogoff
2002-06-18  9:37                 ` Fraser Wilson
2002-06-18 15:45                   ` Hyman Rosen
2002-06-19 16:55                   ` Robert I. Eachus
2002-06-19 19:13                     ` Robert A Duff
2002-06-20  7:43                       ` Dmitry A.Kazakov
2002-06-22 22:05                       ` Robert I. Eachus
2002-06-17 21:40             ` Vinzent Hoefler
2002-06-18 15:05               ` Robert A Duff
2002-06-18 22:36                 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2002-06-19 12:45                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2002-06-19 14:35                     ` Marin David Condic
2002-06-21 11:03                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2002-06-21 16:58                         ` Mark Biggar
2002-06-22 23:23                           ` Dmitry A.Kazakov
2002-06-27  3:00                       ` David Thompson
2002-06-28 13:36                         ` Marin David Condic
2002-06-30  4:05                           ` Russ
2002-06-30 13:50                             ` Ted Dennison
2002-07-01 13:12                             ` Marin David Condic
2002-07-02 19:56                           ` Robert A Duff
     [not found]                           ` <bebbba07.0206292005.45ad915a@p <wcc4rfhj43l.fsf@shell01.TheWorld.com>
2002-07-02 20:40                             ` Pat Rogers
2002-06-18 15:21             ` Robert A Duff
2002-06-19  0:34               ` tmoran
2002-06-19  2:55               ` Russ
2002-06-19  4:53                 ` Ted Dennison [this message]
2002-06-19  8:21                 ` Pascal Obry
2002-06-19 14:52                 ` Stephen Leake
2002-06-20  1:45                 ` SteveD
2002-06-20  2:01                   ` Ted Dennison
2002-06-16 20:01         ` Pascal Obry
2002-06-17  5:29           ` Russ
2002-06-16 23:02         ` Ted Dennison
2002-06-17  5:07           ` Russ
2002-06-17 14:03             ` Frank J. Lhota
2002-06-17 14:11             ` Ted Dennison
2002-06-18  5:55               ` Russ
2002-06-18 14:30                 ` Ted Dennison
2002-06-18 15:14                   ` Marin David Condic
2002-06-19 14:19                     ` Ted Dennison
2002-06-19 16:05                       ` Marin David Condic
2002-06-19  5:58                   ` Russ
2002-06-19 14:35                     ` Ted Dennison
2002-06-20  7:06                       ` Russ
2002-06-20 12:27                         ` Ted Dennison
2002-06-20 23:22                           ` Russ
2002-06-21  2:00                             ` Ted Dennison
2002-06-22  4:28                               ` Russ
2002-06-22 15:05                                 ` Ted Dennison
2002-06-21  8:48                             ` Ian Wild
2002-06-22  4:54                             ` Russ
2002-06-20 22:47                   ` Russ
2002-06-21  0:43                     ` Ted Dennison
2002-06-22  4:05                       ` Russ
2002-06-22 14:41                         ` Jano
2002-06-22 20:27                         ` Ted Dennison
2002-06-21 13:12                     ` Marin David Condic
2002-06-24  8:29                       ` Russ
2002-06-24 20:19                         ` Chad R. Meiners
2002-06-18 22:36                 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2002-06-18 22:42                   ` Ed Falis
2002-06-19  0:07                     ` Vinzent Hoefler
2002-06-19  0:07                   ` Vinzent Hoefler
2002-06-17 22:37             ` Dmitry A.Kazakov
2002-06-17 14:09               ` Frank J. Lhota
2002-06-18 21:40                 ` Dmitry A.Kazakov
2002-06-18 16:04         ` Robert A Duff
2002-06-18 16:37           ` Pascal Obry
2002-06-18 18:56             ` Robert A Duff
2002-06-18 22:20               ` Pascal Obry
2002-06-19 12:53               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2002-06-19  3:37           ` Russ
2002-06-19  8:31             ` Pascal Obry
2002-06-20  7:58               ` Russ
2002-06-20 20:34                 ` Pascal Obry
2002-06-21  4:07                   ` Russ
2002-06-17 15:33     ` Marin David Condic
2002-06-18 10:28       ` Adrian Hoe
2002-06-19  7:58         ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2002-06-19 13:55           ` Marin David Condic
2002-06-19 13:52         ` Marin David Condic
2002-09-18 15:23           ` Matthew Heaney
2002-09-19 12:11             ` Marin David Condic
2002-09-19 14:13               ` Hyman Rosen
2002-09-20 12:24                 ` Marin David Condic
2002-09-22  7:22                   ` Kevin Cline
2002-09-23 13:55                     ` Hyman Rosen
2002-09-19 19:42               ` Randy Brukardt
2002-09-20 12:38                 ` Marin David Condic
2002-09-27 21:21                   ` Michael Bode
2002-09-27 22:11                     ` Pat Rogers
2002-09-28 13:25                       ` Marin David Condic
2002-09-28 14:52                         ` Pat Rogers
2002-09-28 15:18                           ` Martin Dowie
2002-09-29 18:02                           ` Marin David Condic
2002-09-29 19:02                             ` Jeffrey Carter
2002-09-30  1:36                               ` Marin David Condic
2002-10-02 22:17                     ` Matthew Heaney
2002-09-28 17:25                 ` Richard Riehle
2002-09-30 17:12                   ` Marin David Condic
2002-10-01 18:41                     ` Randy Brukardt
2002-10-02  8:38                       ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2002-10-02 12:43                         ` Marin David Condic
2002-10-02 14:26                           ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2002-10-02 12:30                       ` Marin David Condic
2002-06-18  1:56     ` SteveD
2002-06-18 14:12       ` Robert A Duff
2002-06-18 14:28         ` chris.danx
2002-06-18 15:59           ` Pascal Obry
2002-06-18 18:58           ` Robert A Duff
2002-06-18 19:58           ` Randy Brukardt
2002-06-19 14:07             ` Marin David Condic
2002-06-19  2:19         ` SteveD
2002-06-18 11:40     ` Colin Paul Gloster
2002-06-20 15:15       ` Colin Paul Gloster
2002-06-18 19:34     ` Mike Silva
2002-06-25 16:31     ` Kevin Cline
2002-06-14 20:34 ` Dan Andreatta
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-06-17 11:05 Grein, Christoph
2002-06-18  5:36 ` Russ
2002-06-26 10:50 Grein, Christoph
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