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From: Hyman Rosen <hyrosen@mail.com>
Subject: Re: Faulty languages and Liability
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 16:27:06 -0400
Date: 2002-06-17T16:27:06-04:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3D0E461A.8050207@mail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 27085883.0206171100.7f6f0c5e@posting.google.com

Mike Silva wrote:
> So then you're asserting that choice of language has absolutely no
> effect on software quality?

Not no effect, but not enough of an effect to justify requiring
under pain of lawsuit that one be used and that one not be used.

> And you're also asserting that this is
> the consensus opinion in the industry?

Nope. That's why so many places adopted Java. They just got
tired of the risks of using Unchecked_Deallocation in their
Ada code.

> Coincidentally, from the currently-being-discussed Hoare paper of 1980
> (discussing such security checking as array bounds checking):
> "In any respectible branch of engineering, failure to observe such
> elementary precautions would have long been against the law."

I wonder why Ada compilers allow these checks to be turned off, then?

> So, given the well-known falible nature of human programmers, if one
> has the choice between well-known tools which perform many such checks
> automatically, and tools which do not perform such checks
> automatically, and if a falible programmer then uses tools of the
> second type which contribute to a major software failure, has due
> diligence been used?

Perhaps not in hiring that programmer. The tools in question are not
equivalent in other aspects than safety, which is why the safe ones
are not always chosen.




  reply	other threads:[~2002-06-17 20:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 81+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-06-16  2:10 Faulty languages and Liability David Botton
2002-06-16  3:18 ` Lyle McKennot
2002-06-16  4:58   ` Robert C. Leif
2002-06-16  4:58 ` Robert C. Leif
2002-06-16 11:52   ` Hyman Rosen
2002-06-16 13:07     ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-06-17 14:56       ` Marin David Condic
2002-06-18  5:00         ` Hyman Rosen
2002-06-18 13:35           ` Chad R. Meiners
2002-06-18 14:59             ` Hyman Rosen
2002-06-18 19:25               ` Wes Groleau
2002-06-19 17:18           ` Robert I. Eachus
2002-06-19 19:31             ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-06-19 17:57           ` Wes Groleau
2002-06-16 14:33     ` David Botton
2002-06-16 18:28     ` Mike Silva
2002-06-17  0:48       ` Hyman Rosen
2002-06-17  4:09         ` David Botton
2002-06-17 12:59           ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-06-17  7:04         ` Mike Silva
2002-06-17  8:29         ` AG
2002-06-17 13:21           ` Hyman Rosen
2002-06-17 14:37             ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-06-17  3:16     ` Robert C. Leif
2002-06-17 13:36       ` Hyman Rosen
2002-06-17 14:51         ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-06-17 14:26           ` Hyman Rosen
2002-06-17 15:55             ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-06-17 16:29             ` Marin David Condic
2002-06-18  5:18               ` Hyman Rosen
2002-06-18 13:10                 ` Marin David Condic
2002-06-18 21:27             ` Robert A Duff
2002-06-18 20:02           ` John Kern
2002-06-18 22:17             ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-06-19 15:47               ` John Kern
2002-06-19 18:06                 ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-06-17 16:25         ` Marin David Condic
2002-06-18 19:29           ` Wes Groleau
2002-06-19 12:58             ` Marin David Condic
2002-06-17 19:00         ` Mike Silva
2002-06-17 20:38           ` Hyman Rosen
2002-06-18  3:45             ` Mike Silva
2002-06-18 15:11               ` Hyman Rosen
2002-06-18 15:54                 ` chris.danx
2002-06-18 18:01                   ` Marin David Condic
2002-06-18 17:12                 ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-06-17 19:00         ` Mike Silva
2002-06-17 20:27           ` Hyman Rosen [this message]
2002-06-17 21:07             ` Marin David Condic
2002-06-18  1:09             ` Chad R. Meiners
2002-06-18  4:52               ` Hyman Rosen
2002-06-18 13:49                 ` Chad R. Meiners
2002-06-18 14:15                   ` Marin David Condic
2002-06-19 12:35                     ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-06-19 14:20                       ` Marin David Condic
2002-06-20 13:50                         ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-06-20 16:53                           ` Wes Groleau
2002-06-20 18:56                             ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-06-20 15:21                         ` Hyman Rosen
2002-06-21 17:21                           ` Matthew Woodcraft
2002-06-21 22:00                             ` Robert A Duff
2002-06-23  4:50                               ` Hyman Rosen
2002-06-23  9:13                                 ` Matthew Woodcraft
2002-06-23 10:29                                   ` Hyman Rosen
2002-06-23 13:21                                     ` Matthew Woodcraft
2002-06-23 18:24                                       ` Hyman Rosen
2002-06-23 19:27                                 ` Pat Rogers
2002-06-24  2:50                                   ` Hyman Rosen
2002-06-24 14:05                                     ` Pat Rogers
2002-06-18  6:14             ` Mike Silva
2002-06-18  8:53             ` newsfraser
2002-06-18 19:33               ` Wes Groleau
2002-06-18 12:49             ` Steve O'Neill
2002-06-18 13:49               ` Marin David Condic
2002-06-17  7:34     ` AG
2002-06-18 21:17       ` Robert A Duff
2002-06-16 22:26 ` Ted Dennison
2002-06-17 14:38 ` Marin David Condic
2002-06-18  8:57 ` chris.danx
2002-06-19  0:34   ` tmoran
2002-06-19 20:28 ` Mike Silva
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