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From: Darren New <dnew@san.rr.com>
Subject: Re: config files proposal
Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 16:08:47 GMT
Date: 2002-06-03T16:08:47+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3CFB94A7.A455B8DD@san.rr.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 4519e058.0206030656.34c424ff@posting.google.com

Ted Dennison wrote:
> > > Question: Are keys case-sensitive?
> >
> > Good point. I think I'll go with the Ada identifier model and say
> > "no".
> 
> I agree wholeheartedly, for the same reason.

I think they should be case sensitive unless there's a standard way of
converting uppercase unicode to lowercase unicode in Ada's libraries.
Remember that (for example) you'll probably want to store this stuff in a
Map, implying a hashtable perhaps, meaning you'll need to convert between
whatever is supplied and either upper or lower case, and do so in the same
way a native speaker of the language would do so.

Remember too that (for example) the lower-case version of some German words
don't even have the same length as the upper-case version. And I'm not even
sure there's general agreement on whether uppercase letters in French have
the accent included or not. And I don't even *know* if there is the
equivalent with different Chinese, Japanese, or Cyrilic characters, for
example.

While it's admirable to ignore the case of the letters, I think trying to
implement a general "to_lower" that'll handle Unicode properly is going to
be more of a nightmare than writing the entire rest of the config file
parser. Unless you restrict the keys to US-ASCII, that is.

Just something to consider. 
 
> Perhaps it would be better to allow for some kind of "chaining" of
> configuration objects? That way items not found in the first
> configuration might be found in later ones.

Yes, I think that's a good way to go also. At least, that's how I do it. :-)

I think there should also be some sort of tag at the front of each file
saying it's an Ada config file, even if only

 -- Ada Grace.Config file V1.0 -- Do not hand-edit.

so one could check you've found a proper file and know what version it is.

> > Yes. Actually, I think the file is OS closed at the end of Open, after
> > the data is read in.
> 
> *That* sounds like an implementation detail to me. Its a good idea
> perhaps, but still an implementation detail.

I think it's an important detail for systems where having a file open
changes the semantics for other users. If, for example, you leave it open
after you write it, it's possible I won't be able to read it. If you leave
it open after reading it, I may be dedicating resources on the file server
to keeping track of it (assuming it's centrally served, for example).
Closing it each time would make it easier to reason about multiple users
using the same config file, and the overhead of reopening it should be
minimal, given it's a config file.

-- 
Darren New 
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  reply	other threads:[~2002-06-03 16:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 132+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-06-02 16:07 config files proposal Stephen Leake
2002-06-02 21:29 ` Darren New
2002-06-02 22:00   ` Darren New
2002-06-02 22:16   ` Stephen Leake
2002-06-03  4:20     ` Darren New
2002-06-09 20:16       ` Stephen Leake
2002-06-10  1:33         ` Darren New
2002-06-10 12:35           ` Stephen Leake
2002-06-10 15:42             ` Darren New
2002-06-10 14:23           ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-06-03 14:56     ` Ted Dennison
2002-06-03 16:08       ` Darren New [this message]
2002-06-03 16:24         ` Jean-Marc Bourguet
2002-06-03 16:50           ` Darren New
2002-06-04 11:07             ` Preben Randhol
2002-06-04 19:55         ` Ted Dennison
2002-06-09 20:43           ` Stephen Leake
2002-06-09 20:39         ` Stephen Leake
2002-06-10  1:33           ` Darren New
2002-06-10 10:17             ` Preben Randhol
2002-06-09 20:29       ` Stephen Leake
2002-06-10  1:33         ` Darren New
2002-06-10 18:58         ` Ted Dennison
2002-06-11 18:11           ` Stephen Leake
2002-06-03 15:13     ` Preben Randhol
2002-06-04 15:41 ` Antonio Duran
2002-06-04 15:51   ` Darren New
2002-06-05 10:17     ` Antonio Duran
2002-06-05 14:31     ` Ted Dennison
2002-06-05 19:12   ` Syntactically correct spanish identifiers (Was: config files proposal) Jacob Sparre Andersen
2002-06-06  1:49     ` Robert Dewar
2002-06-07  8:07       ` Antonio Duran
2002-06-07 15:37         ` Robert Dewar
2002-06-09 20:54   ` config files proposal Stephen Leake
2002-06-10  1:33     ` Darren New
2002-06-10 12:40       ` Stephen Leake
2002-06-10 15:45         ` Darren New
2002-06-11 13:15           ` Ted Dennison
2002-06-11 16:36             ` Darren New
2002-06-12  7:40               ` Volkert Barr
2002-06-12 15:45                 ` Darren New
2002-06-13  8:17                   ` Volkert Barr
2002-06-13 13:20                   ` Ted Dennison
2002-06-13 13:38                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-06-11 13:09       ` Ted Dennison
2002-06-13 15:52     ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-06-04 17:06 ` Darren New
2002-06-09 21:01   ` Stephen Leake
2002-06-06  7:57 ` Volkert Barr
2002-06-06 10:04   ` sk
2002-06-06 11:33     ` Volkert Barr
2002-06-06 13:56       ` sk
2002-06-07  8:24   ` Volkert
2002-06-07  9:01     ` Jason King
2002-06-07 11:01       ` Preben Randhol
2002-06-07 17:06         ` Darren New
2002-06-07 17:13           ` Preben Randhol
2002-06-07 17:33             ` Darren New
2002-06-07 18:26               ` Preben Randhol
2002-06-09 21:08               ` Stephen Leake
2002-06-07 15:07       ` Volkert
2002-06-07 15:12       ` Ted Dennison
2002-06-09 21:16         ` Stephen Leake
2002-06-09 21:05   ` Stephen Leake
2002-06-13  9:08 ` Antonio Duran
2002-06-13 14:15   ` Stephen Leake
2002-06-13 21:04     ` Antonio Duran
2002-06-14 16:15       ` Stephen Leake
2002-06-13 18:38   ` Ted Dennison
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-06-14  0:19 Config_Files proposal Stephen Leake
2002-06-18 17:07 Stephen Leake
2002-06-18 21:55 ` Darren New
2002-06-19 16:11   ` Stephen Leake
2002-06-19 16:51     ` Darren New
2002-06-19 18:39       ` Stephen Leake
2002-06-19 19:48         ` Darren New
2002-06-20 14:03           ` Stephen Leake
2002-06-20 16:36             ` Darren New
2002-06-20 17:49               ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2002-06-20 20:00                 ` Stephen Leake
2002-06-20 20:16                   ` Darren New
2002-06-20 20:45                     ` Stephen Leake
2002-06-21  2:06                     ` Ted Dennison
2002-06-21 12:55                       ` Marin David Condic
2002-06-24 13:20                         ` Stephen Leake
2002-06-21 15:29                       ` Darren New
2002-06-24 13:16                         ` Stephen Leake
2002-06-24 15:06                           ` Darren New
2002-06-24 17:09                             ` Stephen Leake
2002-06-24 17:57                               ` Darren New
2002-06-24 18:53                                 ` Stephen Leake
2002-06-24 21:24                                   ` Darren New
2002-06-29  3:15                                   ` Ted Dennison
2002-06-28 23:21                           ` Randy Brukardt
2002-06-29  3:01                             ` Ted Dennison
2002-07-01 20:58                               ` Randy Brukardt
2002-07-02  0:31                                 ` Ted Dennison
2002-07-02  4:43                                   ` Randy Brukardt
2002-07-05 21:51                                     ` Robert I. Eachus
2002-06-20 19:54               ` Stephen Leake
2002-06-19  6:53 ` Dr. Michael Paus
2002-06-19 15:18   ` Ted Dennison
2002-06-19 15:08 ` Ted Dennison
2002-06-19 16:18   ` Robert I. Eachus
2002-06-19 16:53     ` Darren New
2002-06-19 18:22       ` Stephen Leake
2002-06-20 13:12         ` Marin David Condic
2002-06-24 13:09           ` Stephen Leake
2002-06-24 15:08             ` Darren New
2002-06-24 17:13               ` Stephen Leake
2002-06-24 17:59                 ` Darren New
2002-06-24 19:04                   ` Stephen Leake
2002-06-24 21:29                     ` Darren New
2002-06-25 12:52                     ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-06-25 12:45                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-06-19 21:32       ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-06-19 18:20     ` Stephen Leake
2002-06-21 20:04       ` Robert I. Eachus
2002-06-24 13:39         ` Stephen Leake
2002-06-19 16:48   ` Marin David Condic
2002-06-20 13:04     ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-06-20 13:53       ` Marin David Condic
2002-06-20 14:19     ` Stephen Leake
2002-06-20 15:37     ` Ted Dennison
2002-06-19 18:15   ` Stephen Leake
2002-06-20  1:35     ` Ted Dennison
2002-06-20 14:10       ` Stephen Leake
2002-06-20 20:50         ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2002-06-20 20:58           ` Stephen Leake
2002-06-21  2:21           ` Ted Dennison
2002-06-24 13:22             ` Stephen Leake
2002-06-20  1:37     ` Ted Dennison
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